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I don't really understand why Jon didn't kick some snow over the bloodstain and say, "Dany Flew off on Drogon". She told me to be King while she is gone."
Are you just making a joke, or are you honestly confused why Jon Snow didn't make that decision? :chuckle:
 
After the battle of winterfell it looked like Danys army was completely decimated. Then they magically respawned as if a giant battle was never fought in the first place. Since all they did was slaughter fleeing soldiers and people in the massacre of kings landing... They could have just had a rag tag group of the small remaining men from the unsullied and the few dothraki the retreated on the charge plus Jon/Sansa's army. Then it would have actually been believable that they wouldn't be bale to hold Jon accountable after he kills Dany.

Although if we're being consistent, the Northmen should have been completely decimated as well, and there were far fewer of them when the battle began. I mean, the North was basically wiped out three times - at the Twins by the Frey/Karstark/Bolton betrayal, at the Battle of the Bastards, and then at the Battle of Winterfell. And yet...there are "thousands" of them waiting to carve up the Unsullied and Dothraki.

They could have done it if the forces attacking KL had included troops from both the Vale and Riverrun that hadn't been at the Battle of Winterfell...but it didn't.

ETA: That's what's so frustrating about a lot of these nits. There were ways around all of them what wouldn't have taken much effort or screentime. A 30 second conversation in which Danaerys explains why she is leaving some Dothraki and Unsullied behind to hold Dragonstone, for example. There's the troops she needs to make the numbers work.

When Jon kills Danaerys, and the Unsullied rush in...Drogon backs up Jon. And that's why the Unsullied and Dothraki get back on their boats and go home. Cool scene, no arguments.

Lots of little things they could have done to make it look like they actually cared.
 
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The ending would have been better, if they had more substance to how they got there.

I don't even get the point of why Jon was brought back. They ruin that one.

Killing a tyrant like Dany doesn't do it for me. Tyrants eventually get stopped. If it wasn't Jon, it'd eventually been someone else.

Are we really supposed to believe she's ready to ruin the world too? They made Dany's character even more asinine.

It's like they had to make a bigger deal what she was going to do, to make bringing back Jon more justified.

I'm sorry, but Arya killing The Night King is a fucking times a thousand bigger deal than Jon killing a mad tyrant.

Fucking Jaime ended The Mad King's end, was he special too?
 
The rumor is they will be tackling the age of heroes, so they will be dealing with the first long night and flesh out more how the white walkers came about.. How would you like to be handcuffed by the logic D&D created? They have to come up with a way for the night king and his army to be driven back and a wall built to contain them without killing him....

Just fucking retcon it. D&D were retconning shit mid-episode this season.

I mean in Battle of the Blackwater, "bells never meant surrender."

Here in s8, they do!

Beric died after fulfilling his purpose, which was to protect ARya. Melisandre did the same.

Meanwhile, Jon.....????Hey, nevermind that shit!
 
Although if we're being consistent, the Northmen should have been completely decimated as well, and there were far fewer of them when the battle began. I mean, the North was basically wiped out three times - at the Twins by the Frey/Karstark/Bolton betrayal, at the Battle of the Bastards, and then at the Battle of Winterfell. And yet...there are "thousands" of them waiting to carve up the Unsullied and Dothraki.

They could have done it if the forces attacking KL had included troops from both the Vale and Riverrun that hadn't been at the Battle of Winterfell...but it didn't.

ETA: That's what's so frustrating about a lot of these nits. There were ways around all of them what wouldn't have taken much effort or screentime. A 30 second conversation in which Danaerys explains why she is leaving some Dothraki and Unsullied behind to hold Dragonstone, for example. There's the troops she needs to make the numbers work.

When Jon kills Danaerys, and the Unsullied rush in...Drogon backs up Jon. And that's why the Unsullied and Dothraki get back on their boats and go home. Cool scene, no arguments.

Lots of little things they could have done to make it look like they actually cared.
Agreed, and they could have just skipped the whole we need to show up at cersei's front door and tell her to surrender since their army was decimated. Send a fucking crow saying we just won the battle for humanity. Where were you by the way bitch? Since you didn't bother to help anybody out and we have two dragons left, either surrender or we are taking this bitch over.... Cersei of course says no, so then you just have Danny and her dragon do the heavy lifting... They get one lucky shot on Rehgal, Dany goes berserk and destroys kings landing with the tony amount of men as clean up crew. Boom, now Jon can kill her justifiably and nobody can imprison or hold jon accountable.
 
The ending would have been better, if they had more substance to how they got there.

I don't even get the point of why Jon was brought back. They ruin that one.

Without Jon being brought back, there is no Battle of the Bastards, Winterfell is never retaken, Jon never gets loads of Dragonglass sent to Winterfell, Danaerys and her dragons never come North, and Arya -- who only went North instead of to KL because she heard her brother was in Winterfell -- is never in position to kill the NK.

Without Jon rallying everyone to fight the NK, humanity loses that war.
 
Just fucking retcon it. D&D were retconning shit mid-episode this season.

I mean in Battle of the Blackwater, "bells never meant surrender."

Here in s8, they do!

Beric died after fulfilling his purpose, which was to protect ARya. Melisandre did the same.

Meanwhile, Jon.....????Hey, nevermind that shit!
Agreed, I would normally be against retconning, but that's the only way I think those writers can have freedom to tell a good story after being left with the mess D&D left. By the way, how excited are you to have that clown show ruin the greatest star wars story ever told in Knights of The Old republic?
 
Without Jon being brought back, there is no Battle of the Bastards, Winterfell is never retaken, Jon never gets loads of Dragonglass sent to Winterfell, Danaerys and her dragons never come North, and Arya -- who only went North instead of to KL because she heard her brother was in Winterfell -- is never in position to kill the NK.

Without Jon rallying everyone to fight the NK, humanity loses that war.
Do the white walkers even get past the wall without Jon being alive to decide to kidnap a white walker and luring a dragon for the night king to take?
 
Agreed, I would normally be against retconning, but that's the only way I think those writers can have freedom to tell a good story after being left with the mess D&D left. By the way, how excited are you to have that clown show ruin the greatest star wars story ever told in Knights of The Old republic?

I'm literally not going to watch it and that's a very sad thing because KoTOR is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite game of all time.

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind David Benioff will do something to make Revan and just ruin the character entirely for the sake of subversion.
 
Agreed, I would normally be against retconning, but that's the only way I think those writers can have freedom to tell a good story after being left with the mess D&D left. By the way, how excited are you to have that clown show ruin the greatest star wars story ever told in Knights of The Old republic?

In fairness to those two douchebags, I thought they did a very good job generally with AGOT until they ran out of source material. I suspect they'll do a good job with KOTOR given that they know exactly what they've got to work with right from the start.
 
Do the white walkers even get past the wall without Jon being alive to decide to kidnap a white walker and luring a dragon for the night king to take?

Dunno. But in the context of the show, he was still the core guy for rallying humanity.
 
Do the white walkers even get past the wall without Jon being alive to decide to kidnap a white walker and luring a dragon for the night king to take?

No. Unless of course D&D suddenly decided they can fly.
 
Now, here's the real question for our all-seeing, all-knowing Bran.





Why did he tell Jon (or have Sam do it)? It served no purpose at all. Other than to play a part in the total destruction of King's Landing. Like......I don't ask because I think there's an answer (I know D&D don't have an answer to the question that makes sense), but just to point out the absurdity of the plot the last two seasons.
 
Without Jon being brought back, there is no Battle of the Bastards, Winterfell is never retaken, Jon never gets loads of Dragonglass sent to Winterfell, Danaerys and her dragons never come North, and Arya -- who only went North instead of to KL because she heard her brother was in Winterfell -- is never in position to kill the NK.

Without Jon rallying everyone to fight the NK, humanity loses that war.

Yes, but like @TyGuy mention they'd never been in this position arguably because of Jon Snow.

And Jon Snow almost single handily got them all killed anyways during The Long Night! LOL

But yes, he's great at uniting people together. But doesn't seem like his purpose was meaningful at all.

Arya's was way more meaningful.

And he didn't even kill Dany before she slaughtered thousands of innocents for no reason.
 
In fairness to those two douchebags, I thought they did a very good job generally with AGOT until they ran out of source material. I suspect they'll do a good job with KOTOR given that they know exactly what they've got to work with right from the start.
When disney took over they went ahead and wiped out everything that wasn't movies and tv shows as non canon. So it will be interesting to see if they actually use that story to begin with or create something new for that time period.
 

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