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I do wonder if, in the end, Bran will stand opposed to Daenerys and we will be left trying to figure out who the good and bad guy is.

I think Bran will do alot in his point of view stories that he never lets anyone else know about. My guess it won't be bad but very selfless stuff that ultimately makes the readers happy that Bran becomes King.

I think people assume Bran is all powerful and there is unlimited powers to his visions and warging. I just don't think that will be the reality of his powers in the rest of the books.
 
I think Bran will do alot in his point of view stories that he never lets anyone else know about. My guess it won't be bad but very selfless stuff that ultimately makes the readers happy that Bran becomes King.

I think people assume Bran is all powerful and there is unlimited powers to his visions and warging. I just don't think that will be the reality of his powers in the rest of the books.

Selfless maybe. But that doesn't mean he can't be a villain. Plenty of villains who believe they're acting for the good of everyone else. Or, the good of a specific side that they deem correct.
 
Selfless maybe. But that doesn't mean he can't be a villain. Plenty of villains who believe they're acting for the good of everyone else. Or, the good of a specific side that they deem correct.

That's true. I just think Bran will not have the powers that everyone assumes he has. I think his future visions with be limited and he will try to position himself to make those visions come true to help those around him.

I think he will try to warg into drogon to save King's landing and won't be successful. Maybe he will be able to warg into drogon after Dany dies but only to save Jon. We will probably find out what he was doing the whole time during the long night. My guess is we get alot more history from his storyline.

I just don't think he will have the powers to see all scenarios like Dr Strange. I also think there will be a reason why he can't warg into dragons.
 
Man you know how we all thought the annulment plot was rather stupid and a little too easy?


What if....thats a show only thing. And Jon is stilla bastard in the books. And the whole fucking reason they named him Aegon in the show and made him the heir was so they could transplant that part of fAegons plot onto him?
 
Man you know how we all thought the annulment plot was rather stupid and a little too easy?


What if....thats a show only thing. And Jon is stilla bastard in the books. And the whole fucking reason they named him Aegon in the show and made him the heir was so they could transplant that part of fAegons plot onto him?
We did? There's plenty of anecdotes in the books, brought up a bunch about Lords or Kings who set their wives aside. Gotta think that's kinda hammering the point home.

And I don't think that a 6 book long mystery, kinda the core mystery of the books, is gonna come down to it not mattering even in the slightest and he's still a bastard. I think that his lineage is still going to play some sort of important part in his relationship Daenerys, even if it's not precisely how it happened in the show.
 
Man you know how we all thought the annulment plot was rather stupid and a little too easy?


What if....thats a show only thing. And Jon is stilla bastard in the books. And the whole fucking reason they named him Aegon in the show and made him the heir was so they could transplant that part of fAegons plot onto him?

The books very much point to Jon being a legitimate heir. If he were just Rhaegar's bastard, there would be no reason for the Kingsguard to be there protecting him at the Tower of Joy when there were other legitimate heirs still alive.
 
The books very much point to Jon being a legitimate heir. If he were just Rhaegar's bastard, there would be no reason for the Kingsguard to be there protecting him at the Tower of Joy when there were other legitimate heirs still alive.

Oooo I dunno. If Rhaegar was totally, completely all-in on the Prophecy, as it seems he was, then that's reason enough to have the Kingsguard there.

Also, it's kinda a big point of debate (because George isn't clear with the language he uses) on whether or not Aerys officially disinherited Rhaegar or not.

But, I was thinking about Jeor's crow that keeps saying "king" when Jon was around. And now I'm wondering.....was the crow talking about Jon, or was the crow referring to Bran, considering Bran and Bloodraven and their connection and ability to control crows.
 
We did? There's plenty of anecdotes in the books, brought up a bunch about Lords or Kings who set their wives aside. Gotta think that's kinda hammering the point home.

And I don't think that a 6 book long mystery, kinda the core mystery of the books, is gonna come down to it not mattering even in the slightest and he's still a bastard. I think that his lineage is still going to play some sort of important part in his relationship Daenerys, even if it's not precisely how it happened in the show.

Well I definitely think it will matter in the books because I don't think Jon is just gonna up and hop on a dragon. That's how you get killed. So, I feel confident in saying he's going to ride a dragon only after learning about his blood. Thus, he can still be a bastard and it be extremely important. I know the show just kinda made it mean nothing at all as the dragons appeared to barely do a single useful thing against the AoTD, but that'll be a far bigger deal in the books.

ANyway, a quote from poorquentyn that I largely agree with about Tyrion and Daenerys and how their relationship will go early on in the books. Essentially, she's not in a good headspace when he's gonna meet her and neither is he. Not only that, it just so happens Tyrion knows of fAegon and baited him into invading Westeros. It seems likely Tyrion will be pushing her buttons to attack him. And hard.

I don’t think it’ll be much like the show at all, to be honest. The circumstances are already radically different. In the show, Tyrion met Dany while the latter was still ensconced as Meereen’s ruler; in the books, she’ll already have had her sojourn with the Dothraki when they first meet. This in turn will change Dany’s mindset during that first encounter. She won’t be the uncertain queen caught between the needs of her people, the grind of politics, the threat of war, and her own personal desires. She’ll be an active conqueror, the Stallion Who Mounts the World, having embraced “fire and blood” at the end of ADWD.

And book!Tyrion in no way resembles the increasingly stale quip machine of the show. Book!Tyrion is, well…“and the man breaks.” He really hasn’t worked through his demons; it’s true (and great!) that he no longer wants to kill himself, but what he’s choosing to live for is to unleash the Second Sons (who else?) on Casterly Rock to spite Dad’s shade. Moreover, his attitude towards Penny fully showcases the extent of his depression and how it’s affecting his relationship to the outside world. Instead of slowly imploding as he threatened to do at the beginning of ADWD, he’s decided to put his energies toward fulfilling the wish he made at his trial in ASOS: let me be the monster they think I am.

All of which is to say that while I get the emotional appeal and structural logic of Dany and Tyrion helping each other, in their first meeting, achieve clarity and acceptance and a sense of purpose leading up to endgame…it really doesn’t seem like GRRM’s writingthem that way, at least not right now. It looks more to me like they’re poised to encourage each other’s worst instincts, especially when it comes to the “mummer’s dragon.” Not for nothing does GRRM appear to be arranging things so that Tyrion’s the one to inform Dany about Aegon.
 
Well I definitely think it will matter in the books because I don't think Jon is just gonna up and hop on a dragon. That's how you get killed. So, I feel confident in saying he's going to ride a dragon only after learning about his blood. Thus, he can still be a bastard and it be extremely important. I know the show just kinda made it mean nothing at all as the dragons appeared to barely do a single useful thing against the AoTD, but that'll be a far bigger deal in the books.

ANyway, a quote from poorquentyn that I largely agree with about Tyrion and Daenerys and how their relationship will go early on in the books. Essentially, she's not in a good headspace when he's gonna meet her and neither is he. Not only that, it just so happens Tyrion knows of fAegon and baited him into invading Westeros. It seems likely Tyrion will be pushing her buttons to attack him. And hard.
That's an interesting point about the dragon. Still think he's legitimate, but that's a reasonable point.

And I totally agree on the Tyrion thing. His path in the books is way different. He'll for sure be a devil on her shoulder.
 
I think book six will include a lot of Dany sacking the Free Cities. Norvos is like 99% fucked. They've made way too much mention of how it's a dry, wooden city. That bitch is going up in flames, probably as a result of Quentyn Martell's mother doing something to pay back Dany for her son's life. The books also note how he was her favorite.

On that note, could it be possible that the fate of Norvos is King's Landing from the show? Quentyn's mom kills Missendei and sends her head back to Dany and Dany snaps and levels the city?
 
I think book six will include a lot of Dany sacking the Free Cities. Norvos is like 99% fucked. They've made way too much mention of how it's a dry, wooden city. That bitch is going up in flames, probably as a result of Quentyn Martell's mother doing something to pay back Dany for her son's life. The books also note how he was her favorite.

On that note, could it be possible that the fate of Norvos is King's Landing from the show? Quentyn's mom kills Missendei and sends her head back to Dany and Dany snaps and levels the city?

I think shes more likely to go to Volantis.

The high priest (bennerro or something, book equivalent to Kinvara) makes a speech that if the old.blood of volantis takes up arms against jer shell surely come for them and by the end of the book they have sent forth a force to Mereen to do just that.
 
Just saw the actor that played bariston selmy claims the books are done, but George denies it. Rumor is hbo has an agreement he can’t release the books until shortly after the dvd comes out for this season.
 
Just saw the actor that played bariston selmy claims the books are done, but George denies it. Rumor is hbo has an agreement he can’t release the books until shortly after the dvd comes out for this season.

Not a chance in the world that he's completely done.

Winds might be done or on the verge of being done, but no way a Dream of Spring or whatever it's going to be called is done.
 
Not a chance in the world that he's completely done.

Winds might be done or on the verge of being done, but no way a Dream of Spring or whatever it's going to be called is done.

George himself vehemently denied this story.
 
Not a chance in the world that he's completely done.

Winds might be done or on the verge of being done, but no way a Dream of Spring or whatever it's going to be called is done.


I know he’s denied it, but one can dream.
 

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