The Official True Detective Scene

[Adam]

My theory on Rust is he needs to close his circle so he can commit suicide. I think that ties in with alot of the stuff hes been talking about in 2013. They have a hell of alot of loose ends to tie up next week.

 

[Bill Walton.]

I guess I'm the only one who thought last night was sub par...

A lot of catching up.. Kinda boring.

But the "your classin up the joint" line was another great one.

 

[kosis]

I guess I'm the only one who thought last night was sub par...

A lot of catching up.. Kinda boring.

But the "your classin up the joint" line was another great one.

I thought it was good... but still the weakest of the season. Felt more like your typical detective show than any of the prior episodes. The Tuttle ninja infiltration would have played a lot better as dialogue. Looked pretty silly visually.

 

[MD13]

I think the foreshadowing is in place that Rust will sacrifice himself in the end. How he'll do it I'm not sure, but all the talk about meditating as Jesus in the garden is too symbolic not to have come up yet. I think the sacrifice could either be him sacrificing himself for Marty, or somehow getting the blame pinned on him in order to kill the men and end the cult.

 

[Rich]

I thought it was the best episode of the season. I'm all about "moments" and the moment that Marty watches the video and the moment they talk to the black woman probably had the strongest impact on me yet. The video was truly right up there with the Ned Stark scene (I hadn't read the books yet) in terms of how strongly it made me feel. Different types of feelings, of course, but still...

 

[ewizacft]

 

[ewizacft]

And I have to say I'm most intrigued by Rust's morale/belief system. He believes life is nothing but misery, that mankind would have been better off had it not achieved consciousness and that death is the only true release. Yet, he really, really wants to catch these people killing these kids. It's odd for someone who sees so little value in life to spend his time trying to protect and avenge it.

DOUBLE EDIT: Man, so much here. It seems that Rust plans on killing himself? His conversation with Marty where they reveal the real reasons why they are where they are seems to point directly to that. Like he's ready to get off of this "circle" of endless violence and move on, but he has to first finish this last case. And we all know that for Rust moving on seems to mean dying.

Rust's nihilism was very strong in the early episodes. You can see that it is starting to crumble. Nihilists believe that life is ultimately meaningless, but the problem is that they can not live it out in their lives. When he quit and went to Alaska he probably struggled with many issues. Albert Camus struggled with nihilism and said, "The only serious question in life is whether to kill yourself or not.” I suspect Rust is in a similar situation since he is living his life with his beliefs. He is also struggling with objective morality. Abusing those women and children is wrong and he wants to stop it. Then possibly he can see how he feels about suicide. Now he ran into the women who told him that death is not the end. He hopes that she is wrong. One other thing was Rust asked Marty how he has been besides work. This being his first personal question shows that Rust sees Marty as a person with value and not just an object to help him. Rust may be hinting at the idea of suicide, but I would be shocked if he carries it out considering his deteriorating beliefs.

 

[AZ_]

Nihilists believe that life is ultimately meaningless

[video=youtube;J41iFYO0NQA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J41iFYO0NQA[/video]

 

[Soda]

I'm just surprised at how captivated I am by this show... Yesterday, I didn't blink for what felt like the full hour as I was consistently looking for clues or foreshadowing..

I'm not so sure that Rust or Marty is set on committing suicide after solving the case, but I do feel as if they've succumbed to the fact that what they're going after may cost the ultimate price. What does seem clear to me is that Carcosa is liken to Heaven and the Yellow King being the "God" of Carcosa; an ultimate destination. The old lady saying that Tuttle had multiple kids with multiple women because he viewed the mothers as too used for him to enjoy was telling as I think it puts him directly into the cross-hairs of the journey Rust and Marty are on.

Also, Maggie seems to continue to seek a comfortable answer from Rust regarding Marty; she asked Rust about Marty's infidelity before when she already knew. I think that Marty dies at the end simply because Maggie asked Rust (she already knows the answer). Where Marty's daughter comes into this is still up in the air, but it would help explain a lot if she was subjected to this abuse by Maggie's father himself or by being exposed to the Tuttles through him...

Another thing I was confused about... The end with the landscaper. I just didn't catch the meaning... He was definitely mowing in a "coil" pattern, so there is something to be caught there.... Have we seen him before?

Edit: Many bloggers seem to think the lawnmower guy is the spaghetti monster... If the spaghetti monster is so diabolical, I don't see him being as dense as this lawnmower guy... Just my opinion..

 

[AZ_]

Another thing I was confused about... The end with the landscaper. I just didn't catch the meaning... He was definitely mowing in a "coil" pattern, so there is something to be caught there.... Have we seen him before?

Spoiler

He's the 'man with the scars.'

 

[Soda]

Spoiler

He's the 'man with the scars.'

Perhaps, there's a lot more to him than meets the eye at this point... He seems like a modern version of a Lennie Small; void of significant mental capacity.. Maybe he's just so sold on the ideals of the "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" that he would do anything the five masked men tell him to... Namely, making the chick in the mental hospital watch.

 

[AZ_]

Perhaps, there's a lot more to him than meets the eye at this point... He seems like a modern version of a Lennie Small; void of significant mental capacity.. Maybe he's just so sold on the ideals of the "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" that he would do anything the five masked men tell him to... Namely, making the chick in the mental hospital watch.

Now THAT would be interesting.

But with that said, I thought that end scene was set up solely as the reveal of that character.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Another thing I was confused about... The end with the landscaper. I just didn't catch the meaning... He was definitely mowing in a "coil" pattern, so there is something to be caught there.... Have we seen him before?

Edit: Many bloggers seem to think the lawnmower guy is the spaghetti monster... If the spaghetti monster is so diabolical, I don't see him being as dense as this lawnmower guy... Just my opinion..

The way I understood it, he is the spaghetti monster and the scars are meant to be the spaghetti in question. They were patterned in a similar manner. I would say that it's also implied that he's one of Tuttle's kids given the evidence from the past episode (the woman stating that Tuttle had numerous kids from multiple mothers), and the statement he made about his family having been around for a long time.

And yes, we have seen him before in the first episode. He was mowing outside the school (or was it a church?) that Marty and Rust investigate. He's Chekhov's lawnmower man. :chuckles:

 

[Rich]

I'm just surprised at how captivated I am by this show... Yesterday, I didn't blink for what felt like the full hour as I was consistently looking for clues or foreshadowing..

I'm not so sure that Rust or Marty is set on committing suicide after solving the case, but I do feel as if they've succumbed to the fact that what they're going after may cost the ultimate price. What does seem clear to me is that Carcosa is liken to Heaven and the Yellow King being the "God" of Carcosa; an ultimate destination. The old lady saying that Tuttle had multiple kids with multiple women because he viewed the mothers as too used for him to enjoy was telling as I think it puts him directly into the cross-hairs of the journey Rust and Marty are on.

Also, Maggie seems to continue to seek a comfortable answer from Rust regarding Marty; she asked Rust about Marty's infidelity before when she already knew. I think that Marty dies at the end simply because Maggie asked Rust (she already knows the answer). Where Marty's daughter comes into this is still up in the air, but it would help explain a lot if she was subjected to this abuse by Maggie's father himself or by being exposed to the Tuttles through him...

Another thing I was confused about... The end with the landscaper. I just didn't catch the meaning... He was definitely mowing in a "coil" pattern, so there is something to be caught there.... Have we seen him before?

Edit: Many bloggers seem to think the lawnmower guy is the spaghetti monster... If the spaghetti monster is so diabolical, I don't see him being as dense as this lawnmower guy... Just my opinion..

I mean it would be the biggest red herring ever if it wasn't him. To have him stand up at the end and say what he said. And yea, he was mowing the lawn at the shut-down Tuttle school, where Rust went back on his own and found all of those stick figures. He might not be the monster, but he's 100% part of the cult.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Now this is really creepy. I was at my friend's house over the weekend and saw this on his kid's wall:

Check out the swirl patterns all around.

Yes, Scooby Doo is the Yellow King.