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The Orlando Howards

Discussion in 'Around The NBA' started by JSS2306, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. JSS2306

    JSS2306 NBA Starter

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    So I, and probably many former LeBronites would like to know.

    What is your exact position on Howards stance of being traded, how do you deal with it, and how is it different from LeBron giving CLE the leverage pre-decision compared to Howard letting it be known?

    Do you think this is the right way of going about things or would you change it, is it worse or better? This is in no way meant as a flame as you are a respected "outsider" and we value your opinion.
     
  2. brownindian

    brownindian In the Rotation

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

    LeBron:

    1. did not give a clue that he was leaving.
    2. Did not give the organization, enough time to prepare for his departure.
    3. LeBron left on the very last day - making it virtually impossible for the Cavs to do anything in the trade market.
    4. LeBron colluded with Wade and Bosh to go to miami. This sort of move is not possible without collusion and such things are hard to prove.

    Howard:
    1. Gave his team enough time and warning that he wants to get out of there and he cant win with the likes of Hedo Turkoglu.
    2. Gives Magic an option of knowing before hand the future and how it wants to proceed in the future.
     
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  3. gourimoko

    gourimoko Fighting the good fight!

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

    Dwight Howard was born and raised in Atlanta, which is nowhere near and has nothing to do with Orlando (I lived in Orlando for some years btw).

    LeBron was a hometown hero, and the second-coming of Jim Brown. He played into this belief with his alias as the King, and that he would bring a championship to Cleveland. Howard is none of those things. Not even close.

    There is no comparison.

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    LeBron threw it all away for nothing, because now no one respects him - and most fans (novice or not) will never respect someone who takes the easy way to a title. He broke under the pressure of the possibility of failure, and resigned himself to sacrificing his individual potential ability to be named the GOAT in exchange for the easy life in South Beach and the near certainty of a ring.

    No American who appreciates hard work, sacrifice, and competitiveness would respect him.
     
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  4. JSS2306

    JSS2306 NBA Starter

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

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  5. Chris

    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

    Remember all the Orlando fans laughing at us over LeBron leaving and shit?

    lolz
     
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  6. Mdog1

    Mdog1 NBA Starter

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    Dwight Howard is being a big of a bitch as Melo was about it. I didn't like LeBron's method either, but this one isn't better. It allows teams to low ball the team trading the star. Of course I wish we had gotten a lowball offer from Miami ffs.
     
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  7. Triumph36

    Triumph36 All-Star

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

    why? that offer would be beasley, who is a retard inefficient chucker, and.....who, exactly? it wouldn't have made the cavs any better long-term.

    anyway, i hope the magic hold onto him only to lose him in the off-season to the nets for next to nothing. d-will, howard, lopez, brooks, and their 2012 1st would be a sweet team to watch. their recent struggles and dwight's whiny nonsense has made me second guess whether or not they'll hold onto him though.
     
  8. ButterMPancakes

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    Re: ButterMPancakes and the Orlando Howards

    As I've said before, I have no problem with Dwight leaving if he feels he can't win with that team, because that team isn't good and isn't going to get better. If he does get traded, I'll be much more upset at management for not doing everything in their power to keep him, even if it means trying unorthodox methods. Otis has been way too stubborn and has tried way too hard to win with jump shooters. Trading him now is also a sign of giving up and just a loser attitude. I believe he won't be traded solely because Otis probably knows he goes when Dwight goes.


    With that being said, Dwight has handled all of this like shit. He could've kept it quiet, but instead has made it all about him, AND tried to play a victim in the process, which is a joke. Throwing everyone under the bus every other night but then begging for pity.


    The situation is also a lot different because they Cavs were having a great regular season and had just came off a deep playoff run. There's no way you trade LeBron when you're at the top of the standings and everyone in the city/state wanted that championship.


    If you want to be traded, that's fine. But at least be a fucking man about it. Stop trying to blame everyone else, talk about how much you love the city and fans, but then say you want out ASAP. I would've been perfectly fine if he kept his mouth shut and played, then left in FA if the team got worse/didn't have any plans of getting better.

    As far as "getting something in return", unless the Magic are getting GOOD young players and lottery picks, most other trades would actually be worse. Getting something in return isn't always a good thing. Last season alone showed that. On one hand, you have Denver, who are a solid group that's going to either break up in a year or two (while not getting deep in the playoffs) or will turn into the Atlanta Hawks of the West. On the other, you have the Cavs, who didn't get anything in return, except a huge dose of reality and two lottery picks.

    You only trade Howard if it's to relieve cap space (meaning getting rid of Hedo as well), get lottery picks, and start rebuilding as soon as possible. The team couldn't get anywhere with a superstar and a bunch of role players, why would they decide then to trade their superstar for MORE role players?


    In the end, this is mostly Otis' fault, and while Howard has acted like a bitch, this doesn't really change much for me. I'll cheer for him if he's with the Magic and if he's not, I'll be cheering for the Magic to beat whatever team he got traded/signed to. I'm not going to go out of my way to boo him just because he decided to leave a team that won't win, just like I wouldn't go out of my way to praise him for being NBA Jesus if he stayed (with how he has acted this year). I think I'll only really actually be upset if we end up losing Stan because of this.
     
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  9. dano_24_26

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    At least Dwight is letting it be known.
     
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    Dwight is a bitch but at least that bitch is honest and don't give a shit who he throws under the bus.
     
  11. BimboColesHair

    BimboColesHair I have multiple sauces

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    I forgot where I heard this but I remember hearing someone saying that the Magic are trying to "call Howard's bluff" and that him and his agent won't be able to pass up on, potentially, an extra 30 million dollars the Magic can offer him that no one else can. I think this is an interesting way to look at it because so far all Howard has done has given a list of places he wouldn't mind playing, he hasn't literally come out and said, "I'm leaving 100%, trade me or you're going to lose me for nothing". It's a huge gamble for Orlando's F.O. to keep Howard past the deadline, and one I honestly think they can win, even though Otis Smith has been just awful for that franchise (the Courtney Lee for Vince Carter trade was the worst thing to happen to the Magic, even though it netted them Ryan Anderson).
     
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  12. Noonan

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    There's also the fact that LeBron was playing on a team that had the best record in the league for two consecutive years while Dwight is playing on a team clearly in decline and strapped with terrible contracts.

    Wanting to leave is a lot more understandable with Dwight. But they are both front running bitches.
     
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    Considering that if LeBron had let us know that he was leaving and we still waited until free agency we could have gotten the Toronto Raptors 5th overall pick from the Heat I would have liked the trade a lot better than some 28th picks in 3 years. People forget that the Heat traded the Raptors their pick back for Bosh, if we had arranged the deal with the Heat so we could have gotten that pick it would have been a lot better.
     
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    Oh yeah. Remind me to send an email to that hack columnist for the Sentinel who was talking about how the sun still shined after Shaq left but when Lebron left people would still have to wake up in Cleveland.
     
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    Just send it now. Howard will be gone within 5 months.
     
  16. ButterMPancakes

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    I'd say the December trades were a LOT worse, and not just because I can't stand Hedo and Arenas, but because the team destroyed any cap flexibility they had and more importantly, did not plan for 2012. Wince wasn't any better and while a combination of JRich/Hedo does benefit the team on the court more (Gortat playing for 5-10 mins a game was a game changer every other month), the benefits of having Wince's expiring, Gortat's decent trade value, AND had we kept Lewis his very tradeable contract this year, this team would've been in a VERY good position to clear cap space and go after DWill or whoever else in the summer.

    Instead, we're left with Hedo's ugly mug, a re-signed JRich, a fat infant, and Ryan Anderson's QO (which I assume will be hard to match because of the numbers he's putting up & the amount of dumb GMs in the league). Maybe this is DeVos' fault. Maybe he has been pressuring the GM to win now or gtfo, and he was forced to make those trades, because the old man refused to wait a few more years. If that's the case, unfortunately for him and Magic fans, all that did was prolong the rebuilding process and a year or two from now, when he could've truly seen his team compete with two superstars, he'll be watching Hedo Turkoglu run pick and rolls with Big Baby and get mild thrills when the Magic receive the 19th pick for the draft!


    That hack columnist for the Sentinel isn't specific enough
     
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    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    Bianchi, I think his name is?
     
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    That's one of them, Brian Schmitz might be worse though. . . not sure
     
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    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    My problem is I would dig their job, covering local sports teams, and I know I could do a much, much better job. Why do they have jobs? I'm not just talking about the clowns at the Orlando Sentinel, but everywhere.
     
  20. chrisrich91

    chrisrich91 Rising Back Up

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    I trust that this Schmitz character sucks, but I have a personal vendetta with Bianchi. When it was Cavs/Magic in the ECF, all he would write about was LeBron leaving because he didn't have nearly as good of a supporting cast as Dwight. He took unnecessary jabs at the city over and over again. Giant doucher.

    When Dwight leaves I'll feel bad for people like you, but I'm going to rock Bianchi's inbox. Knowing him he'll just respond with 'Hey at least I live in Orlando and not Cleveland'. Hoes gon be hoes
     

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