So Long, Mo Gotti Williams

[David.]

And my point is that if you take away the top three scorers off of any team, you're killing the team's chances of scoring.

Outside of LeBron the Cavs crushed teams on offense in the regular season with...Kyrie and Love.

I get it. Love and Kyrie are injury risks.

The point is that rather than worrying about what's going to happen if you lose your three top scorers, you add talent around them to lessen their playing time and expectations.

Mo is one step towards doing that. Other steps will be taken.

Chill.

Eh your point was that mo would be the fifth our sixth option or whatever and they would all need to go down for the last mo situation to happen again. Lyst asked who these five scorers were, and he's right.

What I've quoted isn't incorrect, but we can't cycle through arguments till we find one we're correct about.

 

[Lee]

So people are exaggerating MO's terrible playoff performance. In 49 career playoffs games Mo is shooting 42/33 in 29 mins and averaging 12 points and 3.2 assists.

In almost all of those games he is the 3rd or 2nd option, not the 5th.

In 20 playoff games last year, Austrian Jesus (Delly) scored 7.2 with 2.7n assists in 25 mins a game and shot 35/32.

While everyone loved Delly, Mo has the better playoff numbers. No, Mo doest give us defense like Delly, but news of his playoff demise has been greatly exaggerated.

 

[Lee]

Which players that Cavs didn't get are people upset about right now?

I was hoping Haywood's contract would be able to get us Durant to backup Lebron.

 

[shoes22]

Which players that Cavs didn't get are people upset about right now?

Cory Joseph?
I mean seriously what other free agent PGs were available this offseason? Let alone that would be willing to sign for the mMLE?

 

[Lee]

Cory Joseph?
I mean seriously what other free agent PGs were available this offseason? Let alone that would be willing to sign for the mMLE?

And Mo signed for the mini mini MLE.

It was a huge win for us for sure.

 

[The Oi]

Eh your point was that mo would be the fifth our sixth option or whatever and they would all need to go down for the last mo situation to happen again. Lyst asked who these five scorers were, and he's right.

What I've quoted isn't incorrect, but we can't cycle through arguments till we find one we're correct about.

I think you're asking more reasonable questions on Lyst's behalf than he is on his own.

 

[Scar4343]

The thing about adding all of these "bench pieces" is that guys that are good usually want to PLAY on championship contenders not get paid to sit courtside for every game. I don't know why this continues to get ignored.

The Spurs Top 9 looks like this right now: Aldridge, Duncan, Leonard, Parker, Ginobili, Green, West, Mills, Diaw

Barring them signing a contributor for the vet min that is better than Diaw, those are the guys that will actually contribute especially come playoff time. Last year, they only played 10 guys in all 7 playoff games (I counter Bonner but he really shouldn't count as he saw like 5 mins/gm). If they have injuries to that Top 9, they'll have to hope guys like Reggie Williams or Kyle Anderson or whoever else they sign off the scrap heap can step up. They're not going to fill roster spots 10-15 with All-Stars.

We currently have a Top 9 of: LeBron, Kyrie, Love, Mozgov, Shumpert, Thompson, Varejao, Mo, Delly and we'll likely either bring back JR or add a player of equal or better value at the wing. Yes, we're vulnerable if a couple of those guys get hurt but so is everyone else in the league. Having guys like Matt Bonner, Reggie Williams, Aron Baynes, etc. is not any better than what we had last year or have this year. Every team in the league has suspect players or unproven players in spots 11-15.

Even the almighty deep Warriors were really only 11 deep: Curry, Green, Thompson, Barnes, Iguodala, Bogut, Livingston, Barbosa, Lee, Ezeli, Speights and really didn't consistently play either Lee or Speights in the playoffs. If they lost some of their guys and had to rely on Justin Holiday, James Michael McAddoo, Brandon Rush or Ognjen Kuzmic I don't think they'd fair well either.

You can really only expect to be 9-11 deep in this league and then fill out the remaining 4-6 spots with kids or vets.

 

[mps239]

Someone told me we've gone from looking at potentially Dwayne wade, Joe Johnson or David west down to... Jamal Crawford.

I'm begging to be surprised. I'm rooting for the same team as you guys are, believe it or not

This isn't a situation where if your kid makes a shitty macaroni necklace you have to be happy for him bc he has your heart.. it's actually ok to be jealous and is SMARTER to compare the necklace to the couple across the streets` daughter writing a symphony abd playing it at Avery Fisher hall

If you thought D Wade was a realistic option this offseason you set yourself up for a massive disappointment. I doubt any of the guys we are able to bring in will have much of a playoff impact....their role is going to be reducing regular season minutes for the starters to decrease the likelihood of injuries

 

[David.]

Please don't cherry pick one potential player, who in fact could have happened, and throw out every other player that was on the table out along with them. there were many exciting possible additions, of which absolutely zero materialized.

Edit: I give the mo move credit. He fills a need etc. But, he is an aging one way player who shot below league average from three last year and has disappeared in the playoffs.

If you thought D Wade was a realistic option this offseason you set yourself up for a massive disappointment. I doubt any of the guys we are able to bring in will have much of a playoff impact....their role is going to be reducing regular season minutes for the starters to decrease the likelihood of injuries

 

[mps239]

Please don't cherry pick one potential player, who in fact could have happened, and throw out every other player that was on the table out along with them. there were many exciting possible additions, of which absolutely zero materialized.

You named 3 guys there one of which is still in play as far as I can tell. We likely offered West the same deal as Spurs and he liked the playing situation there better...what more could be done?

I would love to hear how we could have gotten D Wade from a logistical stand point...I'm guessing you thought he'd sign here for the MMLE?

 

[Homestar]

Lyst

Please lyst the backup point guards that you'd consider remotely available, that we passed on, in favor of bringing in Mo.

 

[David.]

You named 3 guys there one of which is still in play as far as I can tell. We likely offered West the same deal as Spurs and he liked the playing situation there better...what more could be done?

I would love to hear how we could have gotten D Wade from a logistical stand point...I'm guessing you thought he'd sign here for the MMLE?

Before i directly answer that, you mentioned a guy named David west in this exact post.

Yes, it was possible to have ended up with him.

Again, I typed three names into my phone, but not every single"non get"of a potential add is summarized by saying"dwayne wade was not possible"

 

[mps239]

Before i directly answer that, you mentioned a guy named David west in this exact post.

Yes, it was possible to have ended up with him.

Yes I agreed that West was the one possibility we've missed out on...not sure how one guy = "many exciting opportunities" but I agree him signing with the Spurs was disappointing. Who else have we missed out on that we had a realistic shot with?

 

[cavsfever]

The thing about adding all of these "bench pieces" is that guys that are good usually want to PLAY on championship contenders not get paid to sit courtside for every game. I don't know why this continues to get ignored.

The Spurs Top 9 looks like this right now: Aldridge, Duncan, Leonard, Parker, Ginobili, Green, West, Mills, Diaw

Barring them signing a contributor for the vet min that is better than Diaw, those are the guys that will actually contribute especially come playoff time. Last year, they only played 10 guys in all 7 playoff games (I counter Bonner but he really shouldn't count as he saw like 5 mins/gm). If they have injuries to that Top 9, they'll have to hope guys like Reggie Williams or Kyle Anderson or whoever else they sign off the scrap heap can step up. They're not going to fill roster spots 10-15 with All-Stars.

We currently have a Top 9 of: LeBron, Kyrie, Love, Mozgov, Shumpert, Thompson, Varejao, Mo, Delly and we'll likely either bring back JR or add a player of equal or better value at the wing. Yes, we're vulnerable if a couple of those guys get hurt but so is everyone else in the league. Having guys like Matt Bonner, Reggie Williams, Aron Baynes, etc. is not any better than what we had last year or have this year. Every team in the league has suspect players or unproven players in spots 11-15.

Even the almighty deep Warriors were really only 11 deep: Curry, Green, Thompson, Barnes, Iguodala, Bogut, Livingston, Barbosa, Lee, Ezeli, Speights and really didn't consistently play either Lee or Speights in the playoffs. If they lost some of their guys and had to rely on Justin Holiday, James Michael McAddoo, Brandon Rush or Ognjen Kuzmic I don't think they'd fair well either.

You can really only expect to be 9-11 deep in this league and then fill out the remaining 4-6 spots with kids or vets.

I don't agree with this analysis. I think it's highly unlikely that Varejao is going to be healthy and high-functioning through a long playoff run. So that makes us effectively 8 deep. I love Delly but he is going to get exposed like he did in the Finals if you play him for a long period against top-level competition. That makes us 7 deep. And it is more role-player depth than really high-quality depth. Look at the Spurs top 9. Every one of those guys is a proven championship-level contributor when they are healthy, and have showed that they can make it through long playoff runs. If you think of Shump and TT as our fifth and sixth players in the rotation, they are very one-dimensional compared to guys like Duncan, West, Diaw, or Ginobli who you might think of as the 5th or 6th best players on the Spurs.

We need more quality depth to be secure as a championship team. I don't know how anyone who watched Lebron try to drag us to a championship against the Warriors while relying on people like Delly/Shump/TT can miss that.

 

[Ohio]

Playa hatin on a playa!

Lol

Mo killed it