The Sony Hack...

[The Oi]

Did @Maximus ever admit I'm right?

 

[KB]

I think it's funny that more people are upset by this than by the torture report the CIA submitted to the senate committee. It's hilarious to me.

 

[MRMsix6]

I think it's funny that more people are upset by this than by the torture report the CIA submitted to the senate committee. It's hilarious to me.

Haven't we known about the torture for the better part of a decade though? There wasn't much new information in there.

Meanwhile, denying America another crappy Seth Rogen comedy is like denying America the McRib. Or something.

 

[Soda]

I think it's funny that more people are upset by this than by the torture report the CIA submitted to the senate committee. It's hilarious to me.

I LOVE the torture report. CIA doing a solid fucking job.

 

[The Oi]

I LOVE the torture report. CIA doing a solid fucking job.

Right?

The reason people aren't more upset by the torture report is because most of us want these scumbag assholes to be tortured and probably a similar amount of people wanted to see this dumb movie.

Why would we be more upset about the US BARELY torturing people that have killed our citizen than being denied a movie? Our torture methods are absolutely nothing compared to what we're subjected to by the same people when they get ahold of us. I wish we hit them harder.

 

[macbdog]

I think the reasons would be obvious. The torture report deals with ethical concerns regarding our country's war on terror. It is an issue that has been ongoing for years, and this report really is just another step in that debate. The conclusion drawn by it is more one that inspires introspection than outrage, since the CIAs tactics were born it if the outrage the nation felt after 9/11. At least for those who lived through it. Jeff Goldberg over at the Atlantic had a thoughtful short column about this and it was spot on.

The other is nothing less than a orchestrated attack by an enemy country on our freedom of speech. I've kind of already said it- screw Sony. I've only made it entirely through one Seth Rogen movie. I could not care less if they lose money. It is both the regular people who have been violated and the precedent this sets. We have effectively been bullied into giving up our 1st amendment- no two ways about it. You may like seeing opinions other then yours being stifled, but I don't- whether I think they are a bunch of doobie-smoking potheads or not. Thus why this outages America far more. One is an attack on us and the other is a critique. Two different fruits.

 

[KB]

Haven't we known about the torture for the better part of a decade though? There wasn't much new information in there.

Meanwhile, denying America another crappy Seth Rogen comedy is like denying America the McRib. Or something.

So those of you for the report and saying "hey we've known about it for a decade it isn't a big deal"..

Let me just say:

Can we stop doing that one? I've heard this argument a number of times in political discussions, and I'm starting to wonder if it's a talking point meant to desensitize people to the concept even though you claim to admonish torture..

Also on that same note:

To be clear, you're all saying it was an acceptable practice to rape children in front of their parents in a futile attempt to gain information? (it's futile because it's been proven over and over again torture gets little to no useful information)

http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1

If that is the case, with so many of you supporting torture (which is a round about way of supporting child rape) no wonder this country is fucked

 

[Chris]

I don't think anybody condones child rape or any rape for that matter. I'm not going to cry if some terrorist got waterboarded or subjected to heavy metal music though.

By the way, absolutely outraged that we've been bullied into compromising our freedom of expression, too. I was not going to see The Interview because I thought it looked dumb and Seth Rogen comedies aren't my thing, but to pull it due to threats is just shameful. That said...I see why they did it.

 

[The Oi]

So those of you for the report and saying "hey we've known about it for a decade it isn't a big deal"..

Let me just say:

Can we stop doing that one? I've heard this argument a number of times in political discussions, and I'm starting to wonder if it's a talking point meant to desensitize people to the concept even though you claim to admonish torture..

Also on that same note:

To be clear, you're all saying it was an acceptable practice to rape children in front of their parents in a futile attempt to gain information? (it's futile because it's been proven over and over again torture gets little to no useful information)

http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1

If that is the case, with so many of you supporting torture (which is a round about way of supporting child rape) no wonder this country is fucked

Yeesh...didn't know about the rape. I don't support rape, no.

 

[Soda]

Not responding to everything, but I will re-iterate..

I think the CIA is doing a fantastic job.

 

[KB]

I don't think anybody condones child rape or any rape for that matter. I'm not going to cry if some terrorist got waterboarded or subjected to heavy metal music though.

By the way, absolutely outraged that we've been bullied into compromising our freedom of expression, too. I was not going to see The Interview because I thought it looked dumb and Seth Rogen comedies aren't my thing, but to pull it due to threats is just shameful. That said...I see why they did it.

See that is the point.

Torture was outlawed by the Geneva convention years, what the CIA did is considered a war crime. It went past the waterboarding and heavy meta music according to he War Crimes Act of 1996

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Crimes_Act_of_1996

They raped children in front of their parents, this is in the senate commission report

They forced things up multiple peoples buttholes, not just the penis of a commissioned US officer btw, things like humus, water and other foreign objects/liquids.

 

[Soda]

Ya, you can shove just about anything up a terrorist's ass, in my opinion. I don't give a fuck.

I'm not for child rape; however, I'm not going to pretend that I know the context of it all when I've been on both sides of reports.

 

[MRMsix6]

Uh, I think we can all agree that child rape is beyond the pale.

I don't give a fuck, however, if they waterboard terrorists. We can probably draw a line somewhere between the two.

Also, I watched a lengthy interview of Mike Morell, the former CIA deputy director, and he stated that the reason food/liquied was shoved up the ass of detainees is because they were refusing to eat, removing IVs and feeding tubes, and they had to do that to keep them alive.

 

[Soda]

Also, I watched a lengthy interview of Mike Morell, the former CIA deputy director, and he stated that the reason food/liquied was shoved up the ass of detainees is because they were refusing to eat, removing IVs and feeding tubes, and they had to do that to keep them alive.

I don't even care for what reason they shoved shit in their ass. I'm absolutely not going to cry about it; someone in this Country needs to have the balls to keep us safe. Start hosting terrorists for tea partys with their lawyers and there's no reason for them to think twice. Call me an asshole, call me stupid, call me whatever you please. I'm happy with the measures the CIA takes to secure my safe life.

 

[KB]

Ya, you can shove just about anything up a terrorist's ass, in my opinion. I don't give a fuck.

I'm not for child rape; however, I'm not going to pretend that I know the context of it all when I've been on both sides of reports.

This statement right here and others like it, made out of rage and anger, is a statement that shows me that they won back 2002.

They made this country completely compromise our ethics, morals as well as some freedoms for our attempt at "revenge justice". It is pretty obvious the more it is analyzed

While I do agree context is needed in most things I don't really think there should be any context that would justify the rape a detainee, child or not.

And shoving things up a persons buthole is sodomy, which is a fancy legal term for anal rape.So by typing that first sentence you do in fact support anal rape.