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No, it means that you have catastrophic insurance to pay the large bills and you pay the rest out of pocket. Except that is exactly the kind of model Obamacare attacks.

And re: Social Security, it's broke just like Medicare. The government has spent all the money. In the future, this is going to mean (if the thing doesn't outright collapse-ah, to dream)...

-More age raises. This is just another form of rationing.
-Continuing to raise the income maximums, with eventual goal of no income maximums at all
-Means testing people out of it.

Currently social security is a good deal for old people as many are taking out 3-4x what they paid in. In the future it's more likely to be the opposite.

wait question raises hand

when medicare was created the average age of retirement compared to average age of life was much higher, why wouldnt we want to raise the age?

second question as the median income in this country as effectively fallen over the last 40 years for the working class, why would we not want to increase the income maximums? this program as everyone can agree no long will do what it was designed for, so fucking change it. the "great generation" and the early boomers are more or less effectively sucking this country dry on the back in caring more about themselves and their stocks than the rest of the country. thats fine and all but eventually it leads to dangerous imbalance in the system. are we there yet, nope. but we are accelerating our way there.
 
It's still going to be mean that those that work hourly will and can only work 30 hours (if that) a week, starting at the beginning of next year. NOT COOL. Can't live off 30 hours a week...having my college loans to pay back, three cards to pay off, cell phone every month, jeep loan and jeep insurance. Let alone $30 for this insurance...groceries, utilities...yada yada yada. Obama can just resign and move out of the country. I'm still furious about this and regret voting for him once again.
 
Hey guys....everyone needs to calm down.

The website will be fixed. The company the government hired to create the exchange (CGI) has done an awful job, but let's all be thankful the government just awarded them 5 new contracts worth $7M.

In the real world, CGI would have been sued back to the stone ages for failure to abide by the contract, but I like this scenario a lot more. Everyone deserves a second shot in life, so even though CGI just put forth the worst internet disaster in the history of the interwebs, they really should get another $7M from our tax payers.

I love how efficient Washington is :chuckles:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-to-company-that-created-obamacare-exchange/

CGI must be working their asses off trying to fix this thing. It appears our government is really breathing down their neck for answers to these ludicrous problems. This additional $7 million surely has them shaking in their boots. Nothing says accountability like awarding more contracts and money.
 
Are you implying that people who lead healthy lives don't need healthcare?

In that case, I guess I should go ahead and cancel my policy. :chuckles:

Pretty much.

But you gotta get to that next level first son.

He's the fucking president of the United States!!!!, he signed the bill into law…if he's not responsible then who the fuck is???

Mom n Dad
 
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REPORT: 52 million Americans have lost or will lose health insurance

Analysis: Tens of millions could be forced out of health insurance they had

Published: November 7, 2013

WASHINGTON — Even as President Barack Obama sold a new health care law in part by assuring Americans they would be able to keep their insurance plans, his administration knew that tens of millions of people actually could lose those their policies.

“If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period,” Obama said as he pitched the plan, the unqualified promise he made repeatedly.

Yet advisers did say in 2010 that there were large caveats and that anyone whose insurance plan changed would lose the promised protection of being able to keep existing plans. And a report in 2010 said that as many as 69 percent of certain employer-based insurance plans would lose that protection, meaning as many as 41 million people could lose their plans even if they wanted to keep them and would be forced into other plans. Another 11 million who bought their own insurance also could lose their plans. Combined, as many as 52 million Americans could lose or have lost old insurance plans.




Colorado Woman Who Championed Obamacare Loses Insurance Plan

November 8, 2013 4:12 PM

The Colorado Division of Insurance says 250,000 people in Colorado alone have lost their policies in the last few months.

Cathy Wagner says she isn’t political and has never written a lawmaker, much less the president, but with Obamacare she felt compelled.

“I really just wanted him to know … I was so hopeful that this plan was going to move us forward, but in fact I think it’s moving us backward,” Wagner said.

Wagner and her husband retired early. She was a nurse for 35 years and championed Obamacare, until she received a letter from her insurance company saying it was canceling her policy.

“I was really shocked … all of my hopes were sort of dashed,” Wagner said. “’Oh my gosh President Obama, this is not what we hoped for, it’s not what we were told.’ “

She was shocked further to learn that for the same coverage she would pay 35 percent more and have a higher deductible.

“Our premium for next year is going up to over $1,000 a month for two of us and we’re two fairly healthy individuals,” Wagner said.




Canceled: Loyal Obama Supporters Lose Their Health Insurance Plan

Marguerite Bowling

November 6, 2013 at 2:54 pm

NBC News - Health Insurance Plans Canceled

Every day, it’s becoming clear that no one in the individual insurance market is safe from the dreaded cancellation notices.

Such was the case recently for “cradle Democrats” and self-described Obama supporters Lee Hammack and his wife, JoEllen Brothers.

According to ProPublica, the San Francisco couple had been paying $550 a month for health coverage from Kaiser Permanente. However, Kaiser recently told the couple the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it didn’t comply with Obamacare.

The author of ProPublica’s story says he was skeptical of the couple’s account and tried to determine if they were truly worse off from the cancellation:

So I tried to find flaws in what Hammack told me. I couldn’t find any.
•The couple’s existing Kaiser plan was a good one.
•Their new options were indeed more expensive, and the benefits didn’t seem any better.
•They do not qualify for premium subsidies because they make more than four times the federal poverty level, though Hammack says not by much.

For Hammack, his canceled plan had a $4,000 deductible per person, $40 copay for doctor visits, $150 emergency room visit fee, 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible, and an out-of-pocket maximum of $5,600.

The new Kaiser plans available to the couple cost nearly $1,300 a month, or $15,000 more a year. They will have a higher deductible of $4,500, higher out-of-pocket maximum, higher hospital coinsurance of 40 percent, as well as higher costs for doctor visits and drug coverage.

The ProPublica author found Kaiser has canceled 160,000 plans in California, with a third being in plans like the one Hammack had — one the writer noted wasn’t a substandard plan, as the President has alleged in recent remarks.

Perhaps the saddest part of this story is Hammack’s plan going forward. Rather than find patient-centered solutions, Hammack said he is leaning toward earning less so that his family can qualify for Obamacare subsidies.
 

Most uninsured ignoring Obamacare marketplace, poll shows


Fewer than one in five uninsured Americans have visited the state-based, online Obamacare portals to consider getting insurance, according to a new Gallup poll.

By
Stephanie Condon /
CBS News/ November 8, 2013, 3:57 PM

The new Obamacare marketplaces have been open since Oct. 1 -- HealthCare.gov serves as the online portal for the marketplaces in 36 states, while the rest of the states are running their own websites. Open enrollment on the new marketplaces lasts through March. Most Americans will have to get insurance before then, or they will be fined by the IRS (the penalty for not having health insurance is $95 in the first year).

Even so, just 18 percent of uninsured Americans have visited a marketplace website, according to the Gallup poll, conducted Oct. 23 - Nov. 6. Among uninsured Americans who say they plan to get insurance on the new marketplaces, just 22 percent have visited them.

The survey doesn't say why uninsured Americans aren't visiting the marketplaces, but the ongoing technical problems on HealthCare.gov and some state-based sites have likely been a factor. The Obama administration has said that HealthCare.gov should be running smoothly for the "vast majority" of Americans by the end of November.

Once the site is fixed, the administration is planning a more aggressive media campaign to encourage more people to sign up for plans on the marketplaces. Administration officials also say they expect many people to put off enrollment until the last minute.

An earlier Gallup survey found that less than half of uninsured Americans who plan to get insurance (44 percent of them) plan to look for it on the new marketplace. Meanwhile, one in four uninsured people told Gallup they're more likely to pay the fine than get coverage.

The administration has yet to release figures on just how many people have enrolled in insurance on the new marketplaces so far. However, the incremental reports that have been released so far aren't encouraging. Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on Friday released enrollment data from the four insurance companies in the Washington, D.C. marketplace showing that just five people in the District have enrolled so far.

"With numbers like these, it's no wonder the Obama Administration hasn't wanted to release how many people have signed up for ObamaCare," Hatch said in a statement. "Whether it's significant problems with the website, people being forced off the coverage they had or skyrocketing costs, these numbers are even more proof of what a disaster ObamaCare is and why it should be delayed."
 
How relevant is the reporting on a lack of visitation to the marketplace, when every news channel in America is reporting daily on the fact that the site does not work?

Just a random question...
 
If he had to lie to get healthcare on the right track, I gives zero fucks.
 
How relevant is the reporting on a lack of visitation to the marketplace, when every news channel in America is reporting daily on the fact that the site does not work?

Just a random question...

I will answer that question on his behalf, if you answer first whether Obama told the United States a pack of lies to get this passed and that the early returns look very negative.
 
How relevant is the reporting on a lack of visitation to the marketplace, when every news channel in America is reporting daily on the fact that the site does not work?

Just a random question...

Well, there's another study that shows over 80% of those that have even attempted to visit the website are over 50 so that probably has some relevance. Young people just don't give a shit a this point it appears...
 
How relevant is the reporting on a lack of visitation to the marketplace, when every news channel in America is reporting daily on the fact that the site does not work?

I thought the interesting part of the article was how many uninsured, the ones this law was made for, have no intention of visiting the marketplace and plan on just paying the fine. Right now, because of Obamacare, we clearly have more uninsured...fact. Everything this was designed to fix seems to be worse. There are more uninsured. People's costs are exploding. People are losing their doctors. Doctors and hospitals are refusing to partake. It's causing a lot of full-time workers to get moved to part-time. It's a total train wreck.

Has anyone here benefited yet? (Yes, I know it's early)


Tlyons said:
If he had to lie to get healthcare on the right track, I gives zero fucks.

Your typical Obama voter right here. Thinks healthcare is on the right track. Doesn't care that Obama is a serial liar. Doesn't give a fuck. We're doomed...




A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
 
Colorado Woman Who Championed Obamacare Loses Insurance Plan

Perhaps, this broad should have fucking did some research before mindlessly supporting all things Obama.

Well, there's another study that shows over 80% of those that have even attempted to visit the website are over 50 so that probably has some relevance. Broke-ass lazy people (freeloaders) just don't give a shit a this point it appears...

Fixed
 
NOVEMBER 11, 2013 8:00 PM
The Truth about Navigators

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

By John Fund

James O’Keefe, the guerrilla videographer who helped bring down ACORN (the “community organizing” group that Barack Obama worked for as a lawyer and trainer) and got NPR’s president fired, is back.

This time, his undercover investigators focused on Obamacare’s “navigators,” the nearly 50,000 people who, in the words of the Department of Health and Human Services, “will serve as an in-person resource for Americans who want additional assistance in shopping for and enrolling in plans” on the Obamacare exchanges (at least when they’re finally working). The total value of grants doled out for nonprofits and community organizations to hire navigators has topped $67 million nationwide, and some of the money is going to a group run by ACORN’s highly controversial founder.

The events of O’Keefe’s video of a Texas navigator site run by the National Urban League are a familiar sight to viewers of his past efforts exposing Medicaid and voter fraud. Government-paid workers supposedly trained to uphold the law advise clients on how to lie on government forms, evade legal requirements, and ignore proper procedures.

Here's the video - http://youtu.be/BUsUWFANPS8
 
Calif. Insurance Commissioner: More Than 1M Californians Having Insurance Cancelled Due To ACA

November 12, 2013 12:17 PM

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (CBS Sacramento/AP) — Health insurer Anthem Blue Cross of California has agreed to a two-month extension of about 104,000 individual policies after failing to give the required 90-day cancellation notice.

The policies had been set to expire on Dec. 31 but will be extended until Feb. 28.

State Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones announced the extensions Tuesday. He said the company notified the Department of Insurance that it failed to give enough notice because of a computer glitch.

Jones says more than 1 million cancellation notices have been sent to Californians as the Affordable Care Act begins allowing individuals to buy insurance through exchanges. The federal law requires policies to offer minimum levels of coverage, forcing companies to terminate many existing plans.



and in other depressing news...



Americans’ Participation in Labor Force Hits 35-Year Low
November 12, 2013 - 11:33 AM
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The percentage of American civilians 16 or older who have a job or are actively seeking one dropped to a 35-year low in October, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

In September, the labor force participation rate was 63.2 percent, but in October it dropped to 62.8 percent—the lowest it has been since February 1978, when Jimmy Carter was president.

The labor force, according to BLS, is that part of the civilian noninstitutional population that either has a job or has actively sought one in the last four weeks. The civilian noninstitutional population consists of people 16 or older, who are not on active-duty in the military or in an institution.

At no time during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, did such a small percentage of the civilian non-institutional population either hold a job or at least actively seek one.

The BLS has been calculating the national labor force participation rate since 1948. From that year until 2000, when labor force participation peaked at 67.3 percent, the percentage of the civilian noninstitutional population that either held a job or was seeking one generally was on the rise. Since 2000, the percentage has been trending down.

When President Barack Obama took office in January 2009, the labor force participation rate was 65.7 percent. By the beginning of 2013, the start of Obama’s second term, it had dropped to 63.6 percent. Since this January, it has continued to decline, hitting a 35-year low of 62.8 percent in October.

When someone drops out of the labor force and ceases to actively seek a job, they are no longer counted as “unemployed.” The BLS counts as “unemployed” only those who have actively sought a job in the last four weeks. The unemployment rate is the percentage of people in the labor force who did not have a job in the last four weeks but were actively seeking one.

People in the civilian noninstitutional population who did not have a job and did not actively seek one in the last four weeks are considered “not in the labor force.” The number of Americans not in the labor force has climbed by 11,034,000 since Obama took office, rising from 80,507,000 in January 2009 to 91,541,000 in October.

Despite the 11,034,000 who have dropped out of the labor force since Obama took office, the national unemployment rate has remained at a relatively high level. In January 2009, it was 7.8 percent. Since then, it has never dropped below 7.2 percent, the level it hit this September before rising to 7.3 percent this October. October was the 59th straight month of 7-percent-plus unemployment in the United States.
 

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