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Bottom line is you are watching a zombie show and trying to have a logical debate about canned food. Sad!

Normally, you'd be right. It would be nitpicking of the worst kind to make a big deal out of how people get enough food in a show about the zombie apocalypse.

The problem is that the show itself has made food a big deal - a critical plot point -- throughout the entire series. Season 2 was about how great Herschel's farm was because it had food. Seasons 3-4 had Rick becoming a farmer in the prison, and trying to raise pigs that died from the flue. Season 5 had the survivors at Terminus turn to cannibalism, and Rick's own was group on its last legs because of lack of food until they found Alexandria. Seasons 6-8 were propelled by the Saviors taking a food tribute from the surrounding communities, which eventually led to a rebellion. A kid was killed over a single missing watermelon!

In fact, the entire drama of the first half of this very season was based upon there not being enough food to feed everyone. The Saviors were starving because the ground at the factory could not support crops, then food shipments were disappearing, the bridge had to be built to transport the food, etc.. If there was plenty of canned shit, or people could survive on the occasional worm, none of that would have been a big deal or made any sense at all.

So it's not that I'm making a big deal out of where food comes from, and how to get enough. It's that the show itself has made a big deal out of it.
 
Hmmm. I'm hungray. Think I'll pop a can of tuna, a can of corn, and mix it with Miracle Whip on wheat. (Not Mayo... cuz that would go bad fast without refrigeration!) Couple of dill pickles on the side, a glass of chocolate milk, and fuck you zombie killing people! I'm hungray and I'm eating like a King!
 
Normally, you'd be right. It would be nitpicking of the worst kind to make a big deal out of how people get enough food in a show about the zombie apocalypse.

The problem is that the show itself has made food a big deal - a critical plot point -- throughout the entire series. Season 2 was about how great Herschel's farm was because it had food. Seasons 3-4 had Rick becoming a farmer in the prison, and trying to raise pigs that died from the flue. Season 5 had the survivors at Terminus turn to cannibalism, and Rick's own was group on its last legs because of lack of food until they found Alexandria. Seasons 6-8 were propelled by the Saviors taking a food tribute from the surrounding communities, which eventually led to a rebellion. A kid was killed over a single missing watermelon!

In fact, the entire drama of the first half of this very season was based upon there not being enough food to feed everyone. The Saviors were starving because the ground at the factory could not support crops, then food shipments were disappearing, the bridge had to be built to transport the food, etc.. If there was plenty of canned shit, or people could survive on the occasional worm, none of that would have been a big deal or made any sense at all.

So it's not that I'm making a big deal out of where food comes from, and how to get enough. It's that the show itself has made a big deal out of it.

I hate you right now. And I hate myself for hitting reply.

There’s just way to many ways they could eat if they are roaming without fear from the zombies. I don’t even care about how they are doing it, and since we don’t know, it doesn’t come off as unrealistic.

They could have a farm.
They could have found an abandoned farm. If they do not have to worry about Zombies, they don’t need a protected farm. They probably found an orchard of Georgia peaches. There are bees there for honey, and animals as well.
They could shoot humans in the head and eat their bodies.
They could eat bugs. Bugs are high in protein.
They could eat expired cans.
They could potentially hunt using zombies to drive game towards an ambush.
They could fish. Imagine being able to fish without the threat of zombies.

Like why the hang up? They still exist in a world of scarcity, yes. However, is it really that inconsistent if we don’t know much about their numbers and what methods they might be capable of when they are hidden in plain sight?

Let’s move on since I am right and you are a skilled debater... how about the genesis of the whisperers? We have this crazy lady who hates weakness and she fled with her daughter. Doesn’t exactly seem like the type to make a group. Every single person could have been killed but instead they are now in this group. Pretty curious to see how it all came together. I hope that they cover that.
 
I see this thread is still all about arguing and nitpicking realism aspects of a zombie apocalypse show.

Tuned in for first time since Negan got his throat cut. I enjoyed it although so many new characters. Not really buying Alpha. She isn’t intimidating at all.

Might keep watching though.
 
I hate you right now. And I hate myself for hitting reply.

There’s just way to many ways they could eat if they are roaming without fear from the zombies. I don’t even care about how they are doing it, and since we don’t know, it doesn’t come off as unrealistic.

They could have a farm.
They could have found an abandoned farm. If they do not have to worry about Zombies, they don’t need a protected farm. They probably found an orchard of Georgia peaches. There are bees there for honey, and animals as well.
They could shoot humans in the head and eat their bodies.
They could eat bugs. Bugs are high in protein.
They could eat expired cans.
They could potentially hunt using zombies to drive game towards an ambush.
They could fish. Imagine being able to fish without the threat of zombies.

Like why the hang up? They still exist in a world of scarcity, yes. However, is it really that inconsistent if we don’t know much about their numbers and what methods they might be capable of when they are hidden in plain sight?

Let’s move on since I am right and you are a skilled debater... how about the genesis of the whisperers? We have this crazy lady who hates weakness and she fled with her daughter. Doesn’t exactly seem like the type to make a group. Every single person could have been killed but instead they are now in this group. Pretty curious to see how it all came together. I hope that they cover that.

My issue with where this is going isn't just the food -- the whole "Whisperers" thing just seems dumb as hell to me. It's literally like Kirkland or whomever was sitting around and thinking "okay, the zombies just don't seem as dangerous anymore, so what can we do to make them more dangerous. I know, let's create a group of nutbags who put on zombie skins and walk around with zombies for their kicks. That'll make the zombies so much more dangerous again!"

It feels contrived and nonsensical to me, and I'm someone who has stuck around with the show even though numbers are way down.

I'd be a fuck of a lot more interested on those people with the helicopter who whisked Rick away. That seems like a much more interesting story to me than the neurotic psycho-babble that seems to underlie the Whisperers. And that's really unfortunate, because I was actually more excited than I'd been about this show for awhile.
 
This fuckin thing is still on?

I keep seeing this thread getting bumped assuming there’s a movie coming out or something

I'm amazed people are still watching it. I checked out when they did that stupid Negan cliffhanger years ago.
 
I'm amazed people are still watching it. I checked out when they did that stupid Negan cliffhanger years ago.

It's funny -- the showrunners, etc., were so excited about that episode and the first episode the following season, and thought that would be something that would propel the show to even greater popularity. Instead, it completely backfired. The cliffhanger aspect turned off a huge number of people, and it seems a large number of fans were alienated by the stark brutality of the actual deaths in the second episode.

It's may be greatest "own goal" in entertainment history since the infamous Billy Squier "Rock Me Tonight" video.
 
It's funny -- the showrunners, etc., were so excited about that episode and the first episode the following season, and thought that would be something that would propel the show to even greater popularity. Instead, it completely backfired. The cliffhanger aspect turned off a huge number of people, and it seems a large number of fans were alienated by the stark brutality of the actual deaths in the second episode.

It's may be greatest "own goal" in entertainment history since the infamous Billy Squier "Rock Me Tonight" video.

Main issue is that basically everyone already knew they were going to kill of Glenn, so having a cliffhanger to begin with was fucking dumb. Yeah, I know they killed off another guy too, but that was pretty pointless too because they skipped over Abraham's actual comic death (he was the one who caught the crossbow to the face in the comics) and gave it to another character for literally no reason. It would have been one thing if they had just decided not to kill him off at all, but they gave his iconic comic death to a made up character that no one gave a shit about and then killed him off anyway a few episodes later.

Cliffhangers only work when you don't already know what's going to happen the next episode. This is why you rarely saw Game of Thrones utilize them early on in the show. There was no point, because most of us already knew what was going to happen next and cliffhangers would have just felt lazy and cheap.
 
Main issue is that basically everyone already knew they were going to kill of Glenn, so having a cliffhanger to begin with was fucking dumb. Yeah, I know they killed off another guy too, but that was pretty pointless too because they skipped over Abraham's actual comic death (he was the one who caught the crossbow to the face in the comics) and gave it to another character for literally no reason. It would have been one thing if they had just decided not to kill him off at all, but they gave his iconic comic death to a made up character that no one gave a shit about and then killed him off anyway a few episodes later.

Cliffhangers only work when you don't already know what's going to happen the next episode. This is why you rarely saw Game of Thrones utilize them early on in the show. There was no point, because most of us already knew what was going to happen next and cliffhangers would have just felt lazy and cheap.

Well...that all applies to people who read the comic books. For the rest of us -- which is the vast majority of viewership -- it was an actual cliffhanger. And even if you'd read the comics, there's no guarantee the show would follow the same pattern of character deaths anyway -- Andrea was killed long before she apparently was supposed to die in the books.

I think a lot of people just didn't like the whole cliffhanger concept period -- they thought we should have known who was killed right then rather than dragging it out all summer.
 
Well...that all applies to people who read the comic books. For the rest of us -- which is the vast majority of viewership -- it was an actual cliffhanger. And even if you'd read the comics, there's no guarantee the show would follow the same pattern of character deaths anyway -- Andrea was killed long before she apparently was supposed to die in the books.

I think a lot of people just didn't like the whole cliffhanger concept period -- they thought we should have known who was killed right then rather than dragging it out all summer.

I'm guessing a lot of people who didn't read the comics had it spoiled for them at some point, either by intentionally looking it up or seeing someone post about it online. It's the most iconic scene from the comics, right up there with Rick getting his hand chopped off by the Governor (which obviously didn't make the show, probably because it would have been a pain in the ass to work around and wasn't essential to the plot) or Coral getting half his face blown off.
 
The thing that bums me out the most about this show is that Angela Kang is the new show-runner for season 9, and I'd argue that the scripts, character dialogues, and overall tones of the episodes are as good as the series has ever been -- seriously.

It just sucks that she took over the show so late, when Gimple already fucked up by killing Carl, and Maggie and Rick had one foot out the door and another on a banana peel. She was given a tough script to try to salvage, and she's done a great job (except for Henry, fuck you Henry).
 
The thing that bums me out the most about this show is that Angela Kang is the new show-runner for season 9, and I'd argue that the scripts, character dialogues, and overall tones of the episodes are as good as the series has ever been -- seriously.

It just sucks that she took over the show so late, when Gimple already fucked up by killing Carl, and Maggie and Rick had one foot out the door and another on a banana peel. She was given a tough script to try to salvage, and she's done a great job (except for Henry, fuck you Henry).

I can't figure out if it was that the Henry/Lydia/Dwight dialogues were bad writing, just bad because of Henry, or both. But I was cringing during a bunch of that.

Otherwise, I agree. Other than last night's episode, Kang has been much better than Gimple for me.
 
It's funny -- the showrunners, etc., were so excited about that episode and the first episode the following season, and thought that would be something that would propel the show to even greater popularity. Instead, it completely backfired. The cliffhanger aspect turned off a huge number of people, and it seems a large number of fans were alienated by the stark brutality of the actual deaths in the second episode.

It's may be greatest "own goal" in entertainment history since the infamous Billy Squier "Rock Me Tonight" video.

What exactly happened? Is there a link that recaps it?
 
I'm guessing a lot of people who didn't read the comics had it spoiled for them at some point, either by intentionally looking it up or seeing someone post about it online. It's the most iconic scene from the comics, right up there with Rick getting his hand chopped off by the Governor (which obviously didn't make the show, probably because it would have been a pain in the ass to work around and wasn't essential to the plot) or Coral getting half his face blown off.
Actually, Kirkman had stated that he always regretted cutting off Rick's hand in the comics. So, the show gave him a Mulligan on that decision.
 
What exactly happened? Is there a link that recaps it?

You're in the Walking Dead thread, and you don't know about the cliffhanger when Negan was going to kill a member of Rick's group? Uh...how did you miss that?
 

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