Tracking the Cavs' Metrics Through the Playoffs

[David.]

Worth noting bulls stats are skewed due to a55 point win.

Added 9pts a game net rating positive in onegame alone. Ridiculous outlier

 

[David.]

Oh and that there hasn't been a more poorly officiated series since la vs. Sacramento, and the refs were literally worth ten points a game.

Er, and that Kevin love is now out

 

[theSTEREO.]

Oh and that there hasn't been a more poorly officiated series since la vs. Sacramento, and the refs were literally worth ten points a game.

Er, and that Kevin love is now out

Good call. I might have to make an adjustment based on that game. Lemme think about the best way to do that

 

[theSTEREO.]

I let this go for a week or so, but I updated today, and included both of our potential ECF opponents.

After looking at this data, even though we wouldn't have homecourt, it really looks like Atlanta is the more favorable matchup, if nothing else because Washington's rebounding is much stronger than ATL's, and the Wizards have been the best 3pt shooting team in the playoffs.

Also surprising, the Cavs are the slowest team in the Playoffs. And yet, we are the best offensive team and have the highest Net Rating of anyone. This might actually play to our advantage because ATL and WAS have been two of the fastest. So when we slow the game down, are they going to be able to score as efficiently as when they push the pace?

 

[ibLurkin]

We knew for a while we are one of the slowest teams in the league. However, being the better offensive team seems odd. I had a (false) notion we regressed offensively and stepped it up big time on the other end.

Anyway, this thread is gold - Thanks.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Updated to reflect the utter domination that is the Cavs in these playoffs.

Cavs are now the #1 defensive team, #1 rebounding team, have the #1 net rating, and are virtually tied for the #1 offensive spot with the Warriors.

The Hawks have plummeted in almost every category.

 

[ibLurkin]

Care to pull the stats post Love injury?
I'm (Lazy and) curious to how the current Cav's incarnation measures up against the rest, without the offensive blessings (And average plus D) of KLove.

 

[Douglar]

Sure these stats exist.

Last year Maccabi under Blatt had 17.3 assists per game, that is 20.8 per 48 minutes (Euroleague quarter is 10 minutes).
That is 4th highest in the Euroleague that season.
A season before that Maccabi had 15.2 per game, that is 18.3 per 48. That was 9th high in the Euroleague.

Translation factor between euro assists per game and NBA assists per game is roughly 1.4 becuase the NBA game is longer like you factored in, but also has a faster pace and the NBA score keepers will usually score a play as an assist even if the player takes a dribble or two after catching the ball, while euro score keepers rarely do that. This is slightly offest by the fact that euro score keepers will mark a play as an assist if a player gets fouled, while NBA score keepers only mark it as an assist if the bucket counts.

So 17.3 is roughly 22.2 in the NBA, on average.

 

[tocov]

Though the most important thing we can learn from the aforementioned stats is that Blatt's teams are different and fluctuate in stats because he uses every different group of players in a different way.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Care to pull the stats post Love injury?
I'm (Lazy and) curious to how the current Cav's incarnation measures up against the rest, without the offensive blessings (And average plus D) of KLove.

Everything drops without K. Love. All offensive categories (Off Rating, Net Rating, Shooting %'s, Pace, etc) all got worse after Love's injury. Although to be fair, we still say in the top 3-5 in pretty much every category without Love. We are #1 most when you include the games he played.

Defense remained almost exactly the same. Within .3 points per 100 possessions.

Only thing to marginally improve was Assist Ratio, but not by much.

Thanks for having me look that up. Now I'm depressed at how much MORE dominant we would've been with him. Lol.

 

[ibLurkin]

Everything drops without K. Love. All offensive categories (Off Rating, Net Rating, Shooting %'s, Pace, etc) all got worse after Love's injury. Although to be fair, we still say in the top 3-5 in pretty much every category without Love. We are #1 most when you include the games he played.

Defense remained almost exactly the same. Within .3 points per 100 possessions.

Only thing to marginally improve was Assist Ratio, but not by much.

Thanks for having me look that up. Now I'm depressed at how much MORE dominant we would've been with him. Lol.

This... I've speculated as much. A few comments:
1. All the Love games came against Boston's O, so I think the Drtg we had in the first round is slightly inflated.
2. Since, we played a limited version of Kyrie or Delly (Only 28 mins for both), and I'd guess the minute distribution is about 50% each. Keeping #1 Drtg means either Delly is an ELITE defender or that, despite the injuries, Kyrie is still a decent defender. Probably a little bit of both.
3. When compared to GSW, we're the defenders and they're the offensive team, but overall NetRtg favors them. However, Our pace is much lower than everybody else's. Unless they can force us to run, which I doubt, they're the ones expected to see their numbers fall a bit in the probable finals. I wonder if that'll be enough.

Edit: Actually, both us and GS have low pace.

This would be great to watch. I hesitate to hope...

 

[David.]

This... I've speculated as sh. A few commentraAll the Love games came against B O, so I think the Drtg we had in the first round is slightly inflated.
2. Since, we played a limited version of Kyrie or Delly (Only 28 mins for both), and I'd guess the minute distribution is about 50% each. Keeping #1 Drtg means either Delly is an ELITE defender or that, despite the injuries, Kyrie is still a decent defender. Probably a little bit of both.
3. When compared to GSW, we're the defenders and they're the offensive team, but overall NetRtg favors them. However, Our pace is much lower than everybody else's. Unless they can force us to run, which I doubt, they're the ones expected to see their numbers fall a bit in the probable finals. I wonder if that'll be enough.

Edit: Actually, both us and GS have low pace.

This would be great to watch. I hesitate to hope...

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gotta account for us playing third string fourth q last night and the four games we ran prevent offense.

Based on difference in pace, reg season to playoffs, which isnt a perfect science but is a rational way to adhust for prevent pffense, i put as 110.78

I also give our cumulative opponents the edge on defense. Over gsw"s.

 

[SteelSmack]

Kyrie playing limited minutes seems like a far bigger key to our defense than Love being out. Kyrie has been at least two steps behind the opposing PG all playoffs long on pick and rolls (PGs that can't shoot letting you go under screens helps a ton, as well). Kevin understands positioning better than TT, but TT has become a solid help defender, racking up blocks. Never thought I'd say that.