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Trayvon Martin 911 Call From Neighbors and Zimmerman (Audio)

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by RonG, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. RonG

    RonG All for one

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    How are we not talking about this? As a parent I am so upset for this family. Fuck Zimmerman.

    http://z6mag.com/featured/trayvon-martin-911-call-from-neighbors-and-zimmerman-audio-166633.html

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  2. Bill Walton.

    Bill Walton. Luke, I am your Father

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    geez..... :shakehead
     
  3. The Oi

    The Oi Or Also Schtick

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    Right down the street from me, 1 minute from where I play ball. Fairly certain I've seen Trayvon there. Some of the t
    Younger kids knew him. Will make a longer post when done traveling, but the negligence here by the city is fucking astounding. Zimmerman and local officials need to burn.

    More later.
     
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  4. Lee

    Lee Established Since 2005

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    I first heard about this yesturday. It is so disgusting. Zimmerman claims its self defense? If you follow me home, I dont know you, I try and get away but you are still following me, and you are not a police officer....I would ambush you and defend myself too. The one defending himself was the kid, not this fucking asshat of a human being Zimmerman. I hope Zimmerman gets the max for manslaughter. This was 100% avoidable. Not every black teenager is a criminal, not even the majority of them.

    Just stomach turning.
     
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  5. bcort

    bcort Sixth Man

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    Guy is an idiot. There was also a controversial shooting in Portland about a guy going outside with a gun because he thought burglars were in his backyard. They ended up being cops (in camo and swat gear) and shot him.
     
  6. MikeSwim07

    MikeSwim07 Cavs Forever

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    The boy was unarmed, weighed 100 pounds less than Zimmerman and he is claiming self defense? If so, what a pussy.

    But seriously, this is so insulting to the family that he has not been arrested yet.

    A question, if Trayvon didn't touch or try to attack Zimmerman which it seems like what happened, shouldn't he be charged for murder and not manslaughter?
     
  7. Lee

    Lee Established Since 2005

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    No, murder is a different intent. At the end of the day what Zimmerman did was manslaughter. He didnt set out that day to kill the kid. Its one of the most misused legal terms. The only way it would be murder if the defense could prove his intent was to shoot him in cold blood or Zimmerman was in the act of committing a felony (beyond the killing, ie robbing a liquor store, this is known as felony murder). I doubt there is even a murder charge. The 911 tape proves his intent, the fact he was on watch proves his intent, the fact he followed to see what he was up to proves his intent.

    Think of it this way. If you kill a guy drinking and driving, you are charged with a form of manslaughter. Your stupid act of getting behind the wheel might have been premeditated, (ie having a gun when you are a voluntary neighborhood watch) , but your intent wasnt to kill someone.

    I wish the asshat could be charged with murder, but it would be overcharging him and if the manslaughter charge isnt on the table, the jury would be forced to acquit. (although the judge would most likely throw out the murder charge before the trial even began)
     
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  8. Ruken

    Ruken In the Rotation

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    The problem is that they didn't test the guy for alcohol and the law doesn't allow prosecution for accidents etc. Only way they can get the fuck is to prove it was prejudice. Evidence is also all circumstantial right now. I hope the fucker goes away for a long time.
     
  9. RonG

    RonG All for one

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    I know I read they have discovered on the tape where he reffers to Trayvon as a "fucking coon" under his breath and they are exploring this as a hate crime now.
     
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  10. Tlyons

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    Disregarded 911 dispatcher not to follow. Said he was walking funny like he was on drugs. Said he was reaching in his waistband(setup)

    Followed the kid even after he fled. Lied to police about the whole damn thing pretty much. Had the fucking nerve to lie and say that it was himself yelling for help, when 911 tapes clearly show trayvon was screaming for his life.

    The intent is there...murder

    Been following this case for a week and a half. That police department needs to be gutted.
     
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  11. Noonan

    Noonan #howu

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    As much as what Zimmerman did is totally appalling, the lack of any accountability from the local police is even more fucked up.


    I'm not sure this is right. Charging someone with homicide (or murder) can also be about the knowledge that one's actions could result in death. Did Zimmerman understand that following someone with a gun could result in that person dying? I'd say the answer to that question is clearly yes -- otherwise Zimmerman wouldn't be trying to argue he feared for his own safety.
     
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  12. Lee

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    Chasing someone with a gun if murder would be felony murder, Homicide has two parts, murder and manslaughter. So ofcourse this is a homicide. Its just if we can consider this felony murder, ie ignoring the police and having the gun is a felony. Chances are though its a registered weapon, so its not a felony.

    I hope you are right though. I hope there is some hot shot prosecutor, or they jury just ignores the facts and stretches the law. This whole thing is so beyond to me. I live pretty close to a gas station here in Scottsdale. I see kids, black, white, hispanic, walking all the time from the gas station. They even walk *gasp* through my neighborhood. Never once did i think it was appropriate to follow a kid much less with a gun. I hope the guy fries. I hope he gets anal raped in prison to an inch of his life. I hope the whole police department gets fired.

    This whole case is just absurd.
     
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  13. IWantAKouki

    IWantAKouki Kouki, Not Cookie.

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    Read about this weeks ago. Seriously fucked up. Fuck people.
     
  14. Tlyons

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    The police didn't drug/alcohol test this guy?

    They sent a narcotics detective to a homicide?

    They wanted no specific details from witnesses?

    The witness had to call the police over and over to give them vital information?

    Didn't release 911 tapes until the entire country put pressure on them?



    Should this be in the WTF thread? I just can't understand how they fucked nearly everything in this case. Then they throw out that statute as if that can explain the many blunders.

    Don't take any chances... Fire every damn person in that department and start new.
     
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    Maximus BANNED Staff Member

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    I just don't understand how the "Stand Your Ground" law is being brought up as a defense for Zimmerman. Zimmerman was followed and confronted a kid walking home from buying some freaking skittles and iced tea. Trayvon was the one being confronted, not Zimmerman. "Stand Your Ground" has been getting abused and has zero relevance to this case. Arrest Zimmerman and let him rot.
     
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    Even the author of "Stand Your Ground" says he should be arrested...

    Author of "stand your ground" law: George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin


    By Julia Dahl Topics Daily Blotter .


    (CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.


    "He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.


    Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."


    Traditionally, self-defense laws did not typically extend beyond a person's home, but the Florida law, and at least 20 more passed across the country since them, allows a resident to "meet force with force" almost anywhere, including the street or a bar.


    Zimmerman, 28, reportedly admitted to police that he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of February 26. He was released without being charged after claiming he killed the boy in self-defense. But 911 recordings released over the weekend suggest that Zimmerman, who has a concealed weapons permit and volunteered in an apparently informal neighborhood watch program, pursued Martin, despite being told police were on their way.


    It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.


    "The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."


    Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."

    Both co-sponsors told the newspaper, however, that they did not think the law needed to be re-examined.

    "If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people," Baxley said. "It's about crime watch," he said. "What are the limitations of crime watch? Are you allowed to jump out and follow people and confront them? What do you think is going to happen? That's where it starts."


    But during the town hall meeting in Sanford, Florida Rep. Geraldine Thompson promised the law's repeal would be a top priority for the state legislature's black caucus.


    "If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?," she asked.
     
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  17. Lee

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    Exactly. If the kid did hit first, big if, its because the kid felt threatened. He was standing his ground by attacking a guy following him home for no apparent reason. If zimmerman showed Trayvon a badge or was in his police uniform that is different...oh wait, Zimmerman isnt a cop, just some power hungry fucktard that took a kids life for no reason.
     
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    Exactly just read an article from the Author of the Stand Your Ground Law. He said that after he ignored the police's warning not to follow and said I'm following that he gave up his defense. Which is true, he provoked a situation that clearly could of been avoided. I also believe that you get the right jury and testimony from his girlfriend who was one the phone with him at the time this guy does time.

    Really depends what they try and charge him with because without an eyewitness the evidence is still circumstantial.
     
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    god what a piece of shit. Why exactly are the police doing everything they can to get him off/sweep this under the rug?
     
  20. Lee

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    For sure the g/f can testify. She is a witness. The defense can cross her.

    Even though its circumstantial, I still think the case is pretty easy for manslaughter. His actions created the confrontation. He ignored the police. He had every opportunity to avoid the situation. It might not be murder, but it fits the manslaughter statute imo.
     

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