Tristan Thompson

[Spencer Hawes]

Joke flew right over your head.

Use :chuckles: next time. TT is a sensitive topic for everyone dammit.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

I wouldnt use Steals per game to establish rating a perimeter defender statistically.Just as I wouldnt use Blocks per games to measure FT efficiency. My comparison. now if the question was what guards are good at turnovers then SPG would be a perfect stat. ultimately though your example has nothing related to the stat i used and I still do not see where i claimed Thompson was a top 3 pf in the game.

anyways make your perimeter guard thread. and give me a couple days and we can see if we can come up with an appropiate formula for perimeter defense.

Thx info. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is a better 3 piont shooter than Steph Curry cause. He's shooting 42% compared to Steph Curry at 40.5%. Let's not take into account that Cole's 3 pointers are coming off of wide open looks. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is on a trajectory course to rewrite NBA record books. :chuckles:

Yeah, stats that you brought up say that TT is in the same stratosphere as jump shooting PF's like Aldridge and Nowitzki.

 

[rabman_gold]

Maybe he is just a garbage guy who's suited for undersized center. If you put him next to an taller power forward with a jump shot, you'll see his best. Kinda like Rasheed with Ben, toned down. But I won't give up until I know for certain he won't advance any further in his development.

I'll be the observer rather than the decision-maker.

 

[Goldin Brown]

This just made me smile, thought I'd spread the joy. :chuckles:

 

[MRMsix6]

fucking buddy ball...

 

[Tornicade]

Thx info. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is a better 3 piont shooter than Steph Curry cause. He's shooting 42% compared to Steph Curry at 40.5%. Let's not take into account that Cole's 3 pointers are coming off of wide open looks. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is on a trajectory course to rewrite NBA record books. :chuckles:

Yeah, stats that you brought up say that TT is in the same stratosphere as jump shooting PF's like Aldridge and Nowitzki.

you have still yet to tell me who are these power forwards "like" aldridge and nowitski. please share especially the guys drafted in the last 5 years?

first off your comparing a starter to a bench player. Bench players are typically specialist. You dont think curry takes open look shots. think again goto NBA.com and you can watch all 280 fg attempts come back and tell me how many were contested or uncontested.

Curry shoots above the break threes at at 40.2% for an EFG of 60.4 thats curry;s shot and its unassisted 60%

Cole shoots the above the break 3 at 34.3 EFG 51.4% its the shot he shoots most often and he is assisted 100% of his shots.

My stat analysis does not conclude that Cole is a better 3 point shooter than Stephen Curry.

You can take any silly stat comparison in the world and take my comparison out of context all you want but I will destroy each and every one of them because I know how to use stats and you dont so your just making yourself silly.

as far as the aldridge and love comparison that was labeled a sample. I clearly showed attempts and percentages and i acknowledged that Thompson was not a primary scorer nor did i refut any of the other post following regarding volume impacting percentage.

I used the comparison to bring Tristans improvement to light and demonstrated he was showing effectiveness. The topic was about spacing. Thompson is showing he can shoot well enough to create spacing he just needs to do it more often.

I acocmplished what i set out to do because it appaenelty bothers you so much you continue to try and discredit my work with everything under the kitchen sink except for the actual stats I showed. now i am going to go back and repost my chart and try one more time to explain it to you. even richfield knows Thompson is developing range. he also knows he isnt doing it enough which is why he calls him timmid.

 

[Tornicade]

all those guys been in the league for five years?

Serge Ibaka. he is entering his fifth year. thats 1. Terrence jones thats 2.

Ibaka third Season

Ibaka - Overall	FGM	FGA	FG%
Restricted Area	2.4	3.5	68.3%
In The Paint (Non-RA)	0.4	1.0	34.8%
Mid-Range	1.2	2.8	42.6%

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Jones - Overall	FGM	FGA	FG%
Restricted Area	3.0	4.5	65.6%
In The Paint (Non-RA)	0.6	1.7	37.5%
Mid-Range	0.2	0.6	26.3%
Left Corner 3	0.2	0.3	50.0%
Right Corner 3	0.2	0.5	30.8%
Above the Break 3	0.3	1.0	27.6%
Backcourt	0.0	0.0	0.0%

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Thompson

Thompson - Overall	FGM	FGA	FG%
Restricted Area	2.0	4.2	48.0%
In The Paint (Non-RA)	1.6	3.6	44.9%
Mid-Range	1.0	2.2	43.9%

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No mid range game whatsoever for Terrence jones.
Thompson is putting up similiar numbers from range as Ibaka in his third season.

still not seeing that ultra elite spacing stretch 4 from the young guns.

Shooting - By Area

Ibaka - Overall	FGM	FGA	FG%
Restricted Area	2.8	4.2	65.9%
In The Paint (Non-RA)	0.5	1.6	31.9%
Mid-Range	2.5	5.1	48.1%
Left Corner 3	0.2	0.5	43.8%
Right Corner 3	0.0	0.2	20.0%
Above the Break 3	0.0	0.0	0.

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Serge in his fifth year. Ibaka is a good example of a big who grew his game.

all those guys have been in the league for 5 years, Love and Alrdridge are primary scoring options. We are comparing young talent.

but just a sample.

Aldridge
5-9 feet
FGA 68 FG

Category	Aldridge (%Att)	Thompson	Last 7 games
5-9 attempts	68(11%)	83 (27%)	26
5-9 %	33.8%	43.4%	57.7%
10-14 att	104 (16%)	43 (14%)	13
10-14 %	42.3%	44.2%	53.8%
15-19 att	219(35%)	24 (8%)	5
15-19 %	46.5%	45.8	60%
restricted ATT	140 (23%)	127 (42%)	31
restricted %	62.9%	48%	45.2%
In the paint Att	82 (13%)	107 (45%)	31
In the Paint %	36.6%	44.9	58.1%
Mid Range Att	391(63%)	66 (22%)	15
Mid Range %	44.5	43.9	60&

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Once again Aldridge is a primary shooter and has range out to 24 feet (which he takes about twice a game at 41%. 15 to 19 feet accounts for 35% of Aldridges shots and he shoots twice as much as Thompson. Cavs dont need Thompson to do that. The debate is about spacing and if Thompson can develop his mid range game to create that spacing.

Thompson has expanded his 10-19 game as he gets more comfortable he will start making more attempts he already increased his mid range attempts from 14% of his shots to 22%. and increased his percentage over 5 points. in his rookie season 6% of his shots was from mid range and he shot 37% in the paint.

Meanwhile Thompsons last 7 games has seen some really improved shooting int he same amount of attempts. So while people have been complaining about his spacing and the Cavs have been rattling off 100_ points game after game Thompson has been a part of that "flow" he is attacking the paint instead of the restricted area and it is paying dividends.

ill be happy to compare Thompson range wise with any starting PF drafted in the last five years. just gimmie 3.

Thx info. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is a better 3 piont shooter than Steph Curry cause. He's shooting 42% compared to Steph Curry at 40.5%. Let's not take into account that Cole's 3 pointers are coming off of wide open looks. But stats never lie. Norris Cole is on a trajectory course to rewrite NBA record books. :chuckles:

Yeah, stats that you brought up say that TT is in the same stratosphere as jump shooting PF's like Aldridge and Nowitzki.

this is the information I presented. it shows Aldridge is making 63% of his attempts. from mid range. Thompson is making 22% of those 22% shots Thompson is converting them at 45%, This is a Vast improvement over last year and shows a move in the right direction.. Thompson can certainly get this up to the 30%-to 40% range. which is sufficient for creating space from range. this also shows or demonstrate that Thompson is effective at the top of the paint. hitting 44.9% of his shots and making more attempts 45% of his shots compared to 13% for Aldridge. This is Thompson taking advantage of the spacing the cavs do have and something he is good at. teams start defending this shot and thompson can learn to feed the low post it can really help the cavs out offensively especially when you have a proven cutter on the roster like deng.

I dont think the expectation for thompson to perform like aldridge, nowitski or love is a reasonable one and I dont see another class of power forwards coming in that can duplicate or emulate what those three are doing. I also think that once Thompson starts taking thos mid range shots more frequently it will allow him tobe more effective up close. like it was in last 7 games which i included to show how thompson was trending.

Once again the classic stretch 4 is a dinosaur. more more and more of them are playing center in high school and college and never get to develop a shot once in the pros and unless Bennett can put himself at the level of an aldridge or love Cavs are gonna have to find other way to get spacing instead of lamenting over not having their own dino

 

[Cavatt]

It's just a matter of moving the goalposts to me. "If Tristan could ever develop a jumpshot, which he won't, then he could be a productive 4." "Yeah he has a jjumpshot, but he has to be less timid for it to matter." No kidding? You watch a guy grow his game and struggle with efficiency, which is exactly what you would expect, but it's just not fast enough. For me, I have seen enough to be patient with a guy who could barely dunk his rookie season and is now putting up double doubles like it ain't no thang. He isn't done getting better. He has added major weapons to his arsenal every offseason.

One thing people overlook when they evaluate a player is that they look at their elite skills. Those can be important for specialists. Specialists generally are really good at one thing, and they come into the league good at that one thing. That is Boobieism. Complete players are different. Generally they come in not so great at anything in particular, but they are smart, and they work on fundamentals, and they improve every year. It takes longer to be a complete player. You can laugh at that, but I have not seen many players improve weaknesses that are as extreme as TT's as well as he has. How often is ft shooting improved so much? It is one of those things that usually is pretty consistent throughout a career. The hand switch is unprecedented, and seriously he does not get enough credit for that.

I'm predicting now that with Deng on the floor Tristan is going to look a lot better. Deng knows how to get the ball to bigs in scoring position. And even if Deng isn't an elite 3 point shooter, guys don't just let him take uncontested ones like they do Gee.

We know TT is like Andy and look at where Andy is now compared to his rookie year. TT is on a much quicker ascent. We are not going to have to wait 10 years. I just see a really good player emerging, and if you don't think TT is already an elite rebounder, then you don't realize that he is averaging double digits next to one of the best rebounders in the league. They are both in the top 15. The next closest pair is Drummond and Monroe who are both top 18.

 

[Cavatt]

Tristan started a little weak tonight, but he really came on strong in the 2nd half. I really liked how he handled Favors after the half.

18 pts and 15 rebs is nice. Favors had only 12 and 6 after a hot start.

Man Kanter was active and tough. I really wanted him in 2011. He and favors are going to be a really nice center rotation. Tristan was able to contain him better in the 2nd half. Nice to see TT and Tyler be physical with these guys. After the 1st half you expected all the bigs to get eaten alive.

Really outrebounded them tonight 45-34. Andy and Tristan with 29 together!

 

[malus]

[video=youtube;X5pxVcIuQmA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5pxVcIuQmA[/video]

 

[ice cream man]

Wow, offensively I didn't think he had the greatest game, but he still ended up with 18. I actually think the (offensive) highlight for TT against Utah was his pass to Jack who hit the 3 at the buzzer. Anytime TT makes a pass that isn't a handoff at the top I get a very shocked and surprised look on my face. :chuckles:

 

[GCCSteel]

Wow, offensively I didn't think he had the greatest game, but he still ended up with 18. I actually think the (offensive) highlight for TT against Utah was his pass to Jack who hit the 3 at the buzzer. Anytime TT makes a pass that isn't a handoff at the top I get a very shocked and surprised look on my face. :chuckles:

I liked his shimmy shake that left the defender standing straight ahead and TT went by him for the dunk. Last on the highlight. Assists are always nice, though.

 

[oasis05]

You design the offense around penetrating guards and you have paint clogging big men. It's the reason delly and miles have been so effective. Can't score at the basket but you can pass it out to these guys who benefit.

 

[Earl]

I could not believe the guy's strength holding his ground when Favors was backing him down. Favors made no ground at all.

 

[shoes22]

You design the offense around penetrating guards and you have paint clogging big men. It's the reason delly and miles have been so effective. Can't score at the basket but you can pass it out to these guys who benefit.

I feel like the entire basis for your posts is seeing what the last person said, and then arguing the exact opposite of that, whether you actually believe that or not.

After getting rid of Bynum, TT is literally the only "paint clogger" we have. No one else fits that description, as everyone else on the team can hit shots from mid-range and beyond.