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I really wish people would read stuff before replying. If you'll notice, his argument about opponent PER and points against in comparison to the other bigs was in response to elcheato, who did, in fact say that TT was bad defender and, in particular, that every stat showed as much.

From his post, TT's defensive PER is 0.01 better than Tyler Zeller. Let me repeat, 0.01. So that makes TT a 2A and Zeller a 2B defensively this year. :chuckles:

Truly impressive when you're in Tyler Zeller's defensive stratosphere. If both have similar impact defensively, why don't we start Zeller over TT since Zeller can hit a jumper?
 
1. How did you conclude that a contract extension for 4 years at about 7~8 million per year equate to wanting him to be traded? That was your misinterpretation of the contract extension talks. What I said was if some team is willing to give him $10 million per year, they can have him cause his production is replaceable. And that is agreed upon by other posters.

2. Calling Sacramento inept and saying our organization is smart is completely ludicrous when Sacramento has more wins in the 4 years (98) than us (90). Yeah, they're so inept that they can win more games than our intelligent franchise.

3. I find it funny that you use shitty defensive players as the backbone of your argument when trying to paint TT as a good defender. Zeller? Bennett? Hawes? Are you freaking kidding me? Andy is on the list that you gave us but he's not a shut down any kind of defender. You're using shit to prop up shit. I'm not saying TT is a shit defender but his defense is nothing stellar and is replaceable as well as his inefficient offensive production.

1. Do you enjoy just making shit and and acting like I said it? Go back and find a single post where I said paying him 7-8 million a year means we have to trade him. If you actually read my posts, I said in a perfect world TT signs a 4/32 contract extension and we all move on. That's unreasonable to expect though, and I made several points as to why I feel that way.

2. Thanks for arbitrarily going back 4 seasons to include the 3 years of deliberate losing we went through after I used a 10 year benchmark where they've missed the playoffs 8 consecutive years. Great use of sample size there buddy. And not a peep about all those terrible player transactions I referenced, were those the moves of a smart organization?

I'm done arguing about how inept the Sacramento Kings are as a NBA franchise. The Maloofs ran that team into the fucking ground, they're a complete joke around the league. The Cavs will garner some laughs across the league for missing the playoffs after our owner foolishly declared us a playoff team at last year's lottery, but in no way is this organization looked in the same manner of the Kings. We've got an extremely young, talented core moving forward with ample cap space and multiple first round picks owed to us.

3. I was comparing him to those "shitty defensive players" because they're on the same fucking team as Tristan. They play in the same system with mostly the same players, why the fuck wouldn't I use our bigs as a barometer?

Andy isn't a lock-down defender, but he's pretty god damn close. His man-to-man defense isn't his strong suit though, he's a fucking wizard at defending the pick and roll. He's actually ranked in the top 10 in the entire league defending the PnR with a .72 PPP.

And maybe you forgot, but Andy made a 2nd team all-defensive team in the 09-10 season. That's not an easy accomplishment, this guy can play some tough defense. If, at only 23-years-old, TT is playing at a comparable level to Andy I'm not going to complain about his 'poor defense' like some posters have.

From his post, TT's defensive PER is 0.01 better than Tyler Zeller. Let me repeat, 0.01. So that makes TT a 2A and Zeller a 2B defensively this year. :chuckles:

Truly impressive when you're in Tyler Zeller's defensive stratosphere. If both have similar impact defensively, why don't we start Zeller over TT since Zeller can hit a jumper?

This is the part where context comes in. TZ plays 14 minutes a night against backup bigs. TT plays 32 minutes a night against starters. What doesn't show up in the stats as well is that Zeller blows more rotations a night than Tristan does, and our defensive rebounding goes to shit when TZ is our center.
 
1. Do you enjoy just making shit and and acting like I said it? Go back and find a single post where I said paying him 7-8 million a year means we have to trade him. If you actually read my posts, I said in a perfect world TT signs a 4/32 contract extension and we all move on. That's unreasonable to expect though, and I made several points as to why I feel that way.

2. Thanks for arbitrarily going back 4 seasons to include the 3 years of deliberate losing we went through after I used a 10 year benchmark where they've missed the playoffs 8 consecutive years. Great use of sample size there buddy. And not a peep about all those terrible player transactions I referenced, were those the moves of a smart organization?

I'm done arguing about how inept the Sacramento Kings are as a NBA franchise. The Maloofs ran that team into the fucking ground, they're a complete joke around the league. The Cavs will garner some laughs across the league for missing the playoffs after our owner foolishly declared us a playoff team at last year's lottery, but in no way is this organization looked in the same manner of the Kings. We've got an extremely young, talented core moving forward with ample cap space and multiple first round picks owed to us.

3. I was comparing him to those "shitty defensive players" because they're on the same fucking team as Tristan. They play in the same system with mostly the same players, why the fuck wouldn't I use our bigs as a barometer?

Andy isn't a lock-down defender, but he's pretty god damn close. His man-to-man defense isn't his strong suit though, he's a fucking wizard at defending the pick and roll. He's actually ranked in the top 10 in the entire league defending the PnR with a .72 PPP.

And maybe you forgot, but Andy made a 2nd team all-defensive team in the 09-10 season. That's not an easy accomplishment, this guy can play some tough defense. If, at only 23-years-old, TT is playing at a comparable level to Andy I'm not going to complain about his 'poor defense' like some posters have.



This is the part where context comes in. TZ plays 14 minutes a night against backup bigs. TT plays 32 minutes a night against starters. What doesn't show up in the stats as well is that Zeller blows more rotations a night than Tristan does, and our defensive rebounding goes to shit when TZ is our center.

1. I'm not making shit up. You said this: "Is letting a player finish his rookie contract before deciding to move on him really "rolling the dice?"

Considering the season he just had, isn't it more of a gamble to assume AB is going to reach that vast potential?"

Which was in response to me saying we should roll the dice on Bennett. From your response, you took it as trading TT and acting like the King's organization lol. Rolling the dice on Bennett means, letting him play more minutes at the PF spot and if that happens to eat into TT's minutes, so be it. So no, I'm not making shit up. You inferred incorrectly.

2. Oh, ok, how about we go back further to the days of Divac, Webber, Bibby and Stojakovic? You know, when they challenged the mighty Lakers, Blazers and Spurs for West supremacy. Point is, you shouldn't be throwing stones when you live in a glass house. We got an owner who likes to talk, a questionable coach and a GM that was just fired for putting together this team. Don't go around calling the King's organization inept when we only have 2 more wins than them this year and they play in a much tougher conference.

3. Nice that you conveniently chose to compare the defensive abilities of TT alongside his peers (bringing up Zeller, Hawes and Bennett lol). Small sample size much? Bias much? Why don't you pull up something along the lines of TT's colleagues around the league? Wouldn't that paint a better picture of his defensive abilities? When talking about his defense, I thought it was implied that it was always in comparison to other PF around the league and not solely inclusive to his teammates. Since it's not so obvious to you, I'm just throwing it out there. Since we're on the subject, can you explain this why TT has the worst opponent FG% out of this group?

Thompson: 58%
Hawes: 52.3%
Varejao: 54.3%
Zeller: 47.7%
Bennett: 47.4%

4. So you're quick to come to cite "context" but when someone like Tornicade brings up TT's oustanding jump shooting compared to the likes of Dirk, Aldridge and Love, you conveniently forget that TT is left wide open for those jumpers as oppose to guys like Dirk having hands in their faces. Or am I making this up as well?
 
It can be framed a million different ways. The bottom line is that without a jump shot, Tristan isn't a starter.

As an aside, not every player we drafted can be a starter. As this team grows, weaknesses and ceilings of all our players will become more evident.
 
1. I'm not making shit up. You said this: "Is letting a player finish his rookie contract before deciding to move on him really "rolling the dice?"

Considering the season he just had, isn't it more of a gamble to assume AB is going to reach that vast potential?"

Which was in response to me saying we should roll the dice on Bennett. From your response, you took it as trading TT and acting like the King's organization lol. Rolling the dice on Bennett means, letting him play more minutes at the PF spot and if that happens to eat into TT's minutes, so be it. So no, I'm not making shit up. You inferred incorrectly.

This is the making shit up. You can clearly see your "rolling the dice" comment was directed at TT from my post, not as AB as you're trying to say now. The point you're trying to backtrack into now doesn't even make sense, AB's hurt and can't even play.

2. Oh, ok, how about we go back further to the days of Divac, Webber, Bibby and Stojakovic? You know, when they challenged the mighty Lakers, Blazers and Spurs for West supremacy. Point is, you shouldn't be throwing stones when you live in a glass house. We got an owner who likes to talk, a questionable coach and a GM that was just fired for putting together this team. Don't go around calling the King's organization inept when we only have 2 more wins than them this year and they play in a much tougher conference.

Great job going back 15 years to try and disprove my point of the Kings being one of, if not the worst, NBA franchise of the past 10 years. Bringing up Vlade Divac and Chris Webber is supposed to prove the Kings haven't been making terrible decisions recently? Really? How the fuck does this make any sense?

3. Nice that you conveniently chose to compare the defensive abilities of TT alongside his peers (bringing up Zeller, Hawes and Bennett lol). Small sample size much? Bias much? Why don't you pull up something along the lines of TT's colleagues around the league? Wouldn't that paint a better picture of his defensive abilities? When talking about his defense, I thought it was implied that it was always in comparison to other PF around the league and not solely inclusive to his teammates. Since it's not so obvious to you, I'm just throwing it out there. Since we're on the subject, can you explain this why TT has the worst opponent FG% out of this group?

Thompson: 58%
Hawes: 52.3%
Varejao: 54.3%
Zeller: 47.7%
Bennett: 47.4%

Conveniently compared him to his peers? Are you joking? Comparing him to the other bigs on this team somehow doesn't make sense to you? And where are you getting a small sample size from my post? I used numbers from this entire season AND last season. How is that not a big enough sample size?

And if we're talking about bias, you conveniently left out the fact that's not even opponent FG% you threw out there, it's opponent FG% at the rim. Way to forget a critical fact about your information there Blue. Did you know Andrea Bargnani and David Lee are top ten defensive PFs if we're judging by opponent FG% at the rim? Do you really think that stat is the best indicator of a player's defensive ability, considering AB has the lowest on our team??
 
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Heal up soon AB. It's like we're playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end right now....
 
Man he's been bad in March: 8.8 ppg on .441%, 5.9 rbg, 0.4 apg, 0.9 topg. Not what you want for the stretch run. I thought Hawes would open things up for him but the opposite has happened. Figured with a C who has three point range would allow Tristan to get more space while playing the 5 on offense. Looks like I was wrong about that one.
 
Man he's been bad in March: 8.8 ppg on .441%, 5.9 rbg, 0.4 apg, 0.9 topg. Not what you want for the stretch run. I thought Hawes would open things up for him but the opposite has happened. Figured with a C who has three point range would allow Tristan to get more space while playing the 5 on offense. Looks like I was wrong about that one.

Playing the 5 on offense means he's trying to score against a 5...which is usually the opposing team's best rim protector. That's a terrible matchup for Tristan if he's not going to use his jumper.
 
This is the making shit up. You can clearly see your "rolling the dice" comment was directed at TT from my post, not as AB as you're trying to say now. The point you're trying to backtrack into now doesn't even make sense, AB's hurt and can't even play.



Great job going back 15 years to try and disprove my point of the Kings being one of, if not the worst, NBA franchise of the past 10 years. Bringing up Vlade Divac and Chris Webber is supposed to prove the Kings haven't been making terrible decisions recently? Really? How the fuck does this make any sense?



Conveniently compared him to his peers? Are you joking? Comparing him to the other bigs on this team somehow doesn't make sense to you? And where are you getting a small sample size from my post? I used numbers from this entire season AND last season. How is that not a big enough sample size?

And if we're talking about bias, you conveniently left out the fact that's not even opponent FG% you threw out there, it's opponent FG% at the rim. Way to forget a critical fact about your information there Blue. Did you know Andrea Bargnani and David Lee are top ten defensive PFs if we're judging by opponent FG% at the rim? Do you really think that stat is the best indicator of a player's defensive ability, considering AB has the lowest on our team??

You know what, I'll drop it because I can't take anyone who defends TT's play seriously. Just shows how much basketball knowledge you have lol.
 
Playing the 5 on offense means he's trying to score against a 5...which is usually the opposing team's best rim protector. That's a terrible matchup for Tristan if he's not going to use his jumper.

If he can only score at a decent (not even great) level against opposing 4's while destroying our spacing and the driving lanes for our guards... where exactly can we use him on offense? Theoretically he should be most effective as the 1 in in the 4 out 1 in lineup, but he's such a horrible finisher that additional space doesn't really help him here. If only he could jump faster...
 
Playing the 5 on offense means he's trying to score against a 5...which is usually the opposing team's best rim protector. That's a terrible matchup for Tristan if he's not going to use his jumper.

There's no such thing as a good match up for TT with his style of play and intelligence.....

He literally cannot fit next to ANY center and that's just dumbfounding to me. I always knew his scoring numbers were artificial but it seems like his rebounding was too.....
 
TT's lack of explosiveness and overall ineptitude in the offensive side on the ball will never make him a viable starter for any team trying to be relevant in the league. We really need to accept that. I know he is young but I really can't see anything that makes me think that his current tools will translate to a better basketball player.
 
TT's lack of explosiveness and overall ineptitude in the offensive side on the ball will never make him a viable starter for any team trying to be relevant in the league. We really need to accept that. I know he is young but I really can't see anything that makes me think that his current tools will translate to a better basketball player.

It will all be dependent on whether or not he gains a jumper. If he gains a jumper, he can survive as a starter. I'm confident, however, in Bennett being our power forward going forward.
 
It will all be dependent on whether or not he gains a jumper. If he gains a jumper, he can survive as a starter. I'm confident, however, in Bennett being our power forward going forward.


Right now he has bigger issues than gaining a jumper
 

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