Tristan Thompson

[Amherstcavsfan]

Watching the playoffs, it becomes painfully obvious how far away Thompson is from being a starter on a playoff team.

Thompson offers nothing that is extraordinary or need to have. Hell, I'd take both of Toronto's PFs over Thompson.

 

[shukle]

Yep, drafting TT was definitely a mistake. After 3 years, it's apparent JV was the best pick. He might not be an all star (though playin good in the playoffs) but he is better than TT and he is a C... Irving, Waiters, Bennett, JV. That would have been a nice core. Maybe not playoff worthy just yet, but so much upside.

 

[TeaLeaves]

Is there a stat for least meaningful double doubles? He's probably a good guy (TT) but I hated this pick from the second that idiot Grant made it. Who drafts somebody who doesn't even know which hand they should shoot with?

 

[CornerThree]

Yep, drafting TT was definitely a mistake. After 3 years, it's apparent JV was the best pick. He might not be an all star (though playin good in the playoffs) but he is better than TT and he is a C... Irving, Waiters, Bennett, JV. That would have been a nice core. Maybe not playoff worthy just yet, but so much upside.

Easily would take JV, Leonard, Vucevic, Klay Thompson, Faried, and maybe even Mirotic over him without even thinking about it. You know it's an awful ass pick when you'd attempt to trade him straight up for any of the first 5 players I listed and you get nothing but laughter on the other end of the phone.

 

[Futuredome]

If TT could defend like he was repped, he wouldn't be so bad. He won't be back next year.

 

[Adam]

I was thinking about rebounds in general. are they the only stat that is guaranteed? I mean someone has to rebound the ball after every shot. So double doubles are relatively meaningless and more a product of minutes and distance from the basket when the shot goes up. TT does rebound out of his area though which is rare, something which bennett does not currently do. Those extra possessions will be the only thing we will miss when he gets moved

 

[TyGuy]

I was thinking about rebounds in general. are they the only stat that is guaranteed? I mean someone has to rebound the ball after every shot. So double doubles are relatively meaningless and more a product of minutes and distance from the basket when the shot goes up. TT does rebound out of his area though which is rare, something which bennett does not currently do. Those extra possessions will be the only thing we will miss when he gets moved

This logic applies to everybody but Rob Hibbert.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Easily would take JV, Leonard, Vucevic, Klay Thompson, Faried, and maybe even Mirotic over him without even thinking about it. You know it's an awful ass pick when you'd attempt to trade him straight up for any of the first 5 players I listed and you get nothing but laughter on the other end of the phone.

Context people...remember the context. At the time of the draft, taking Leonard, Vucevic, Faried, or Mirotic (dude hasn't played 1 NBA minute and you'd seriously take him over Tristan?) would have been viewed as an even bigger reach than when Bennett was drafted #1. Easy to play the hindsight game after the fact. It has also been brought up numerous times how Jonas and his agent were very difficult with the Cavs before the draft. The only player I will give you is Klay Thompson, as I am sure with his father's former teammate as our coach at the time there was some real interest there, but I am more than satisfied with the SG we ended up with.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Is there a stat for least meaningful double doubles? He's probably a good guy (TT) but I hated this pick from the second that idiot Grant made it. Who drafts somebody who doesn't even know which hand they should shoot with?

Least meaningful double-doubles?

Even if you were trying to create your own stat to track such a subjective matter Tristan wouldn't rank high on it. The Cavs did extremely well in games he had a 10+ points and 10+ rebounds, they aren't empty stats contributing to loss after loss.

Tristan had 36 double-doubles this year, tied for 5th most with Anthony Davis among qualified PFs. In those 36 games the Cavs went 23-13. Compare that to the other top-10 league-leading PFs in double-doubles:


Kevin Love: 33-32 record in 65 games with a double-double

Zach Randolph: 32-15 record in 47 games with a double-double

Blake Griffin: 27-16 record in 43 games with a double-double

LaMarcus Aldridge: 28-12 record in 40 games with a double-double

Anthony Davis: 17-19 record in 36 games with a double-double

Greg Monroe: 17-18 record in 35 games with a double-double

David Lee: 21-13 record in 34 games with a double-double

Paul Millsap: 17-13 record in 30 games with a double-double

Serge Ibaka: 23-6 record in 29 games with a double-double


If we want to get really literal with the stat ("least meaningful double doubles"), all losses where a player had a double-double would have to be considered meaningless. Judging by total numbers alone it looks like Kevin Love blows away the field (if we included centers Andre Drummond and DeMarcus Cousins would beg to differ), but that's not very fair given the sheer number of double-doubles Love got compared to the rest of the PFs.

The team's winning percentage during double-doubles gives us a better value to evenly compare all the players' with. By subtracting the team's real winning percentage from this past season to that percentage, it will give us a loose measure of how much a team's chances of winning were improved/decreased when a player had a double-double.


Name: (Team Win % in games w/10-10) - (Team Win % '13-'14 Season) = Winning % Difference in Double-Double games


Tristan Thompson: .639 - .402 = .237%

Kevin Love: .508 - .488 = .020%

Zach Randolph: .680 - .610 = .070%

Blake Griffin: .627 - .695 = (-.068%)

LaMarcus Aldridge: .700 - .659 = .041%

Anthony Davis: .472 - .415 = .057%

Greg Monroe: .486 - .354 = .132%

David Lee: .618 - .622 = (-.004%)

Paul Millsap: .567 - .463 = .104%

Serge Ibaka: .793 - .720 = .073%


As you can see, Tristan's double-doubles were very meaningful to us. The Cavs' chances of winning a game improved dramatically when he reached those numbers, we had the biggest spike in winning percentage among any of the other teams on the list by far. That tells me the Cavs were a much, much more difficult team to beat when Tristan produced at that level, and that's what I consider meaningful.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

Least meaningful double-doubles?

Even if you were trying to create your own stat to track such a subjective matter Tristan wouldn't rank high on it. The Cavs did extremely well in games he had a 10+ points and 10+ rebounds, they aren't empty stats contributing to loss after loss.

Tristan had 36 double-doubles this year, tied for 5th most with Anthony Davis among qualified PFs. In those 36 games the Cavs went 23-13. Compare that to the other top-10 league-leading PFs in double-doubles:


Kevin Love: 33-32 record in 65 games with a double-double

Zach Randolph: 32-15 record in 47 games with a double-double

Blake Griffin: 27-16 record in 43 games with a double-double

LaMarcus Aldridge: 28-12 record in 40 games with a double-double

Anthony Davis: 17-19 record in 36 games with a double-double

Greg Monroe: 17-18 record in 35 games with a double-double

David Lee: 21-13 record in 34 games with a double-double

Paul Millsap: 17-13 record in 30 games with a double-double

Serge Ibaka: 23-6 record in 29 games with a double-double


If we want to get really literal with the stat ("least meaningful double doubles"), all losses where a player had a double-double would have to be considered meaningless. Judging by total numbers alone it looks like Kevin Love blows away the field (if we included centers Andre Drummond and DeMarcus Cousins would beg to differ), but that's not very fair given the sheer number of double-doubles Love got compared to the rest of the PFs.

The team's winning percentage during double-doubles gives us a better value to evenly compare all the players' with. By subtracting the team's real winning percentage from this past season to that percentage, it will give us a loose measure of how much a team's chances of winning were improved/decreased when a player had a double-double.


Name: (Team Win % in games w/10-10) - (Team Win % '13-'14 Season) = Winning % Difference in Double-Double games


Tristan Thompson: .639 - .402 = .237%

Kevin Love: .508 - .488 = .020%

Zach Randolph: .680 - .610 = .070%

Blake Griffin: .627 - .695 = (-.068%)

LaMarcus Aldridge: .700 - .659 = .041%

Anthony Davis: .472 - .415 = .057%

Greg Monroe: .486 - .354 = .132%

David Lee: .618 - .622 = (-.004%)

Paul Millsap: .567 - .463 = .104%

Serge Ibaka: .793 - .720 = .073%


As you can see, Tristan's double-doubles were very meaningful to us. The Cavs' chances of winning a game improved dramatically when he reached those numbers, we had the biggest spike in winning percentage among any of the other teams on the list by far. That tells me the Cavs were a much, much more difficult team to beat when Tristan produced at that level, and that's what I consider meaningful.

Good analysis but it also tells me something else that's very glaring. If TT is having a bad rebounding game, the team is fucked and he brings little else to the table.

 

[Photon]

Good analysis but it also tells me something else that's very glaring. If TT is having a bad rebounding game, the team is fucked and he brings little else to the table.

Or that we need a competent starting pf? not just in some games...

 

[CosmoKramer]

Good analysis but it also tells me something else that's very glaring. If TT is having a bad rebounding game, the team is fucked and he brings little else to the table.

You're entitled to your own opinion Blue , but how can you glean the Cavs are fucked when TT has a poor rebounding night from my post? I didn't include any information about games if they weren't double-doubles, how was something entirely not there 'glaring?'

Besides, TT averaged more than 9 rebounds a game this year. He finished with 10+ boards in more than half of Cavs games. You can make a strong case Tristan's rebounding was the third most consistent aspect of this team behind Kyrie's scoring and Alonzo Gee doing cringe worthy Alonzo Gee-things. Yes, we need strong rebounding from TT to be competitive, but more often than not we got it.

Tristan's lone elite skill is rebounding, but saying that's the only way he impacts a game is just silly. He's our best big at creating space for our guards with his screens, and he's also our most efficient big finishing out of the pick and roll per Synergy.

I've also seen him called a liability on defense, that's way too harsh. He's proven capable of holding some of the best power forwards in the entire NBA to inefficient nights, his man-to-man defense is at worst adequate. Don't forget, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, and Dirk Nowitzki all had poor shooting games being primarily defended by TT this season. To be fair, his help defense was awful this year. He has a habit of getting into box out position instead of contesting shots around the rim, that has to be fixed if he's ever going to be considered a plus defender.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

You're entitled to your own opinion Blue , but how can you glean the Cavs are fucked when TT has a poor rebounding night from my post? I didn't include any information about games if they weren't double-doubles, how was something entirely not there 'glaring?'

Your stats suggest the Cavs winning percentage is much higher when TT gets a double double. Based on those same stats, one can easily infer the inverse (Cavs winning percentage is lower when TT does NOT get a double double) is true. Granted, whether those non double doubles are due to lack of rebounding or scoring cannot be inferred.

 

[narbar32]

You can make a strong case Tristan's rebounding was the third most consistent aspect of this team behind Kyrie's scoring and Alonzo Gee doing cringe worthy Alonzo Gee-things.

The Cavs had a 10-9 record in '13-'14 when Alonzo Gee scored 7 or more points in a game. Alonzo Gee makes the Cavs a better team when he scores right around his career PPG average or higher...

Knibb High Football Rules!

 

[chuck0609]

Best case scenario is he's part of a trade this summer.