Tristan Thompson

[CosmoKramer]

Your stats suggest the Cavs winning percentage is much higher when TT gets a double double. Based on those same stats, one can easily infer the inverse (Cavs winning percentage is lower when TT does NOT get a double double) is true. Granted, whether those non double doubles are due to lack of rebounding or scoring cannot be inferred.

You're correct in that the inverse obviously rings true, but that's missing my point. A player can have a good rebounding game without achieving a double-double, in fact Tristan had six games of over 10+ rebounds without scoring 10+ points. He also had twelve games of 8 or 9 rebounds. That's almost a quarter of the season in solid games on the boards that I didn't mention in my first post.

Drawing conclusions about anything other than double-double games from my first post is bringing preconceived misconceptions into the equation. I was simply trying to show value in TT's double-doubles when another poster said they were meaningless.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Stats is useful only to verify what your eyes see. TT fails the eye test miserably that using his double doubles to counterargue his lack of true ball skills is just gasping for air.

 

[pr26]

TT is a 3rd big off the bench who can play the 4/5. He should be an energy big, a more athletic AV (early career AV). He can be valuable to this team, but not in a starting lineup with guards who need to get into the paint. Find a team that think he's more than that? Trade him. Can't? Do the right thing: start Bennett and put TT in the oldschool AV role next year.

 

[shoes22]

Stats is useful only to verify what your eyes see. TT fails the eye test miserably that using his double doubles to counterargue his lack of true ball skills is just gasping for air.

The problem with "the eye test", is it puts too much weight on how a player is at the current moment. It doesn't take into account potential growth.

 

[JSS2306]

3 years of watching Tristan Thompson has taught me one thing: Anybody his size would have put up the same stats with those specific teams built around them. A lot of his stats just come by virtue of him being out on the floor and playing all those minutes.

Likable guy, great person, just not a very talented basketball player defensively or offensively. A big body, not much else.

 

[Cassity14]

3 years of watching Tristan Thompson has taught me one thing: Anybody his size would have put up the same stats with those specific teams built around them. A lot of his stats just come by virtue of him being out on the floor and playing all those minutes.

Likable guy, great person, just not a very talented basketball player defensively or offensively. A big body, not much else.

He's maybe 6-9. He's hardly considered to have a physical mismatch ever. I don't buy that his size is the only reason he's put up productive numbers and games.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

You're entitled to your own opinion Blue , but how can you glean the Cavs are fucked when TT has a poor rebounding night from my post? I didn't include any information about games if they weren't double-doubles, how was something entirely not there 'glaring?'

Besides, TT averaged more than 9 rebounds a game this year. He finished with 10+ boards in more than half of Cavs games. You can make a strong case Tristan's rebounding was the third most consistent aspect of this team behind Kyrie's scoring and Alonzo Gee doing cringe worthy Alonzo Gee-things. Yes, we need strong rebounding from TT to be competitive, but more often than not we got it.

Tristan's lone elite skill is rebounding, but saying that's the only way he impacts a game is just silly. He's our best big at creating space for our guards with his screens, and he's also our most efficient big finishing out of the pick and roll per Synergy.

I've also seen him called a liability on defense, that's way too harsh. He's proven capable of holding some of the best power forwards in the entire NBA to inefficient nights, his man-to-man defense is at worst adequate. Don't forget, LaMarcus Aldridge, Blake Griffin, and Dirk Nowitzki all had poor shooting games being primarily defended by TT this season. To be fair, his help defense was awful this year. He has a habit of getting into box out position instead of contesting shots around the rim, that has to be fixed if he's ever going to be considered a plus defender.

How's this for a stat. Our team record is 9-30 in games where TT grabs less than 10 rebounds. Correct me if I'm wrong but that makes our winning percentage 23.1% which would make us the 2nd worse team in the league (slightly behind Philly) :chuckles:.

If you're happy with his production by comparing it to an overweight AB coming off shoulder surgery, more power to you. He's lucky he's pretty much the only viable PF on the team for 3 years which resulted in him getting heavy minutes and inflating his stats.

 

[mAo_mAo]

If Thomas Robinson gets TT minutes at PF, I bet he produces the same type of numbers.

 

[ajz20]

So now people are convincing themselves he is a corner stone piece? It just amazes me how much people romanticize a roster that went 16 games under. We have had 4 years of misery, but you would think there are 5 all stars on this team lead by a hall of fame coach the way some posters write, it is truly amazing. TT is an average NBA player. There are TT's in the draft by the handful every year. There is nothing special about him, nothing.

 

[elcheato]

He's maybe 6-9. He's hardly considered to have a physical mismatch ever. I don't buy that his size is the only reason he's put up productive numbers and games.

They're not even productive numbers. 12 points per game in 32 minutes on 47% shooting for a big man? I wouldn't classify that as all that productive. 22nd among forwards in REB%.

 

[Cashius X]

If Thomas Robinson gets TT minutes at PF, I bet he produces the same type of numbers.

Better*

 

[Stitches]

So now people are convincing themselves he is a corner stone piece? It just amazes me how much people romanticize a roster that went 16 games under. We have had 4 years of misery, but you would think there are 5 all stars on this team lead by a hall of fame coach the way some posters write, it is truly amazing. TT is an average NBA player. There are TT's in the draft by the handful every year. There is nothing special about him, nothing.

I've read likely all of the last 100 posts (not necessarily recently; and probably more than the last 100). I'm not sure where anybody has suggested he's a cornerstone. The best compliment most people have is that he's a 3rd big and a nice guy.

 

[ajz20]

I've read likely all of the last 100 posts (not necessarily recently; and probably more than the last 100). I'm not sure where anybody has suggested he's a cornerstone. The best compliment most people have is that he's a 3rd big and a nice guy.

There are posters that are willing to pay him very good money, have him be our future starting PF and give him major minutes for the next 4-5 years. I would say that qualifies as a corner stone. The debate has been people saying he is average, vs people saying he is above average already with a chance to get much better.
There were people convinced he could possibly be an all star after a few pre season games. If you think he has a chance to be an all star and you are willing to pay him a large contract (that takes up a decent part of your cap space)- that is pretty close to cornerstone.

 

[Stitches]

There are posters that are willing to pay him very good money, have him be our future starting PF and give him major minutes for the next 4-5 years. I would say that qualifies as a corner stone. The debate has been people saying he is average, vs people saying he is above average already with a chance to get much better.
There were people convinced he could possibly be an all star after a few pre season games. If you think he has a chance to be an all star and you are willing to pay him a large contract (that takes up a decent part of your cap space)- that is pretty close to cornerstone.

Not trying to be a dick, but can you point out some of these opinions since the season ended? Hell, you could likely go back to the last month of the season (if not more) and most everyone was hesitant to pay him decent money (again, that's the most hopeful of opinions aside from maybe one or two people; but I think that may even be a stretch). Most people who still have hope for TT are just saying wait and see, not saying let's pay him starting money and give him big minutes.

I mean when you say "so now" that kind of implies that it's right at this very moment. And I don't see anyone making those claims right now.

 

[CornerThree]

Tristan Thompson is like the Jeff Francouer of basketball players. He plays a lot of games, and some people think he's the bees knees but others recognize him for the guy who plays a lot of games type guy he is.