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His lack of awareness wasn't single-handedly costing us baskets. When I saw unguarded shots at the rim I also saw the Raptors drawing TT out of the paint, thereby leaving our wings as the lone weak side defenders. LeBron played great offensively last night, but you could count many more possessions that ended with him lagging behind an uncontested shot at the rim- not Tristan.



Uh, Opposite? What the fuck are you talking about? Even if he didn't slide over switching is help defense. Come on...the possession might have ended with Lowry going 1-on-1 with TT, but that only came after he helped out the guard getting screened.
Man, you post a lot, but your continued failed gotchas show you have no idea what you are talking about and have difficulty with reading comprehension.

Amherstcavsfan said TT needs to work on his help side defense. Help side defense is almost universally understood as when the guy you are defending is two or more passes away from the ball and you sag off a bit toward the ball handler in the direction of the paint in order to be able to help deny penetration or rotate to help cover someone's backside. You then tried to make fun of him but you, number 1 - were factually wrong, and number 2 - did not even negate Amherstcavsfan's point considering the play did not involve help side defense from TT.

And now you double down on being wrong. Switching might in some attenuated way be considered help defense if you define defense as guarding only your positional counterpart. But modern defense acknowledges that rotating produces better outcomes, and switching is now baked into the cake. TT guarded Lowry for basically the entire possession, including about 10 seconds of one on one face up defense. Sorry, that is not help defense.

P.S. your first paragraph describes TT's sorry ass help side defense. Now that is actually funny. Hopefully that helps in seeing what people are talking about.
 
Help defense is simple. It is just to assist your teammate in defending when that teammate is beat or in a compromised defensive position. That is the simplest way to say it.

Tristan did an on-ball defense. It is not help defense.
 
Incredible, fully focused, athletic, stunning defense against Lowry on that stop. Can you tell Lebron appreciated it? :)
 
Tristan is fast becoming one of the top offensive rebounders in the game, if he isn't already.
 
Man, you post a lot, but your continued failed gotchas show you have no idea what you are talking about and have difficulty with reading comprehension.

Man, you don't post much, but when you do it just drips with condescension. I didn't bother responding to you before because you sweep away good points with long winded rebuttals that say absolutely nothing.

Between the insufferable, know-it-all way you write and the 'your not dumb, your opinions are' comment you made I've already grown tired of your shtick. Welcome to my ignore list, please consider this my last response to you.

Amherstcavsfan said TT needs to work on his help side defense. Help side defense is almost universally understood as when the guy you are defending is two or more passes away from the ball and you sag off a bit toward the ball handler in the direction of the paint in order to be able to help deny penetration or rotate to help cover someone's backside. You then tried to make fun of him but you, number 1 - were factually wrong, and number 2 - did not even negate Amherstcavsfan's point considering the play did not involve help side defense from TT.

I was not making fun of Amherstcavfan, he called TT's help side defense bad then gave a few examples of poor PnR defense. I haven't seen the terrible help defense that you and a couple others are claiming to see, I even refuted your post that called him atrocious in that area last week.

IMO he's improved leaps and bounds as a weak side shot blocker, I would no longer call him bad in that aspect of help defense. He's not a world-beater, but he's no longer one of the worst bigs in the entire league like last year either.

And now you double down on being wrong. Switching might in some attenuated way be considered help defense if you define defense as guarding only your positional counterpart. But modern defense acknowledges that rotating produces better outcomes, and switching is now baked into the cake. TT guarded Lowry for basically the entire possession, including about 10 seconds of one on one face up defense. Sorry, that is not help defense.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but switching is another form of help defense. The switch doesn't even happen unless the guard can't get through a screen and needs help.

Modern defenses didn't invent rotations and switching, that's just wrong and a compete joke. Some coaches still abhor switching and never have their players switch regardless of the matchup, it's entirely a matter of preference and personnel. Rotating/switching isn't some newfangled modern twist, I really don't know where you were going with that.

And I guess I'll never know... Bummer.

P.S. your first paragraph describes TT's sorry ass help side defense. Now that is actually funny. Hopefully that helps in seeing what people are talking about.

Pointing out when TT is defending the high PnR our wings are the ones supposed to be guarding the rim, that describes TT's sorry ass help side defense?

That makes perfect sense, considering the hard on you have for criticizing TT. Said it in the game thread, but when people can't appreciate a third big coming off the bench averaging 14/11 on 68% shooting the past three games they've got some high standards.
 
I guess I'd have to see some footage. TT learned from Av and he is also criticized for his help D, and when I look at that, I see Av over-helping. When you over help, someone has to get your man. That usually means a guard or SF picking up your man. In the games where the defense has been really porous, those guys and the secondary help have been terrible. In the games where our D looks good, Kyrie and Marion mostly have been getting steals on the entry to the bigs after the initial help.

Last night the secondary help did not seem good to me, and that is because the secondary help was a step slow on the back to back and because Toronto is a really good team that exploits help D.

I am not sure if this is what is being discussed here or not, but a weakside shotblocker would not help in this situation as that guy would already be out of position and there would be no one to cover for him.

I'd much prefer the guy who helps the helper whether it is Love or the guards/wings do what they are supposed to when the perimeter D gets broken. Thinking TT can be the primary help and the secondary help defender or that some mythical rim protector can do both jobs does not seem realistic to me.

Again, maybe you guys are right, but often when you see AV or TT out of position this is what is going on. They are erasing the guards' mistakes, and then the guards don't have their backs. I'm not criticizing Marion at all, because this is something that he is really good at, and his size helps him.
 
TT may be out next game w/ a shoulder contusion after LeBron jabbed him 3 times after a heated exchange late in the 4th quarter :chuckle:
 
TT needs to make some damn consecutive FTs. He's improved too much to be slacking at the line so much.
 
TT needs to make some damn consecutive FTs. He's improved too much to be slacking at the line so much.

yea he should just try harder than he is to make free throws. missing them is so lazy.
 
Tristan is fast becoming one of the top offensive rebounders in the game, if he isn't already.

Currently sixth in the NBA in offensive rebounding.

T-1. Tyson Chandler -- 4.3 ORPG in 29.7 MPG
T-1. Andre Drummond -- 4.3 ORPG in 29.7 MPG
3. Omer Asik -- 4.1 ORPG in 27.6 MPG
4. Zach Randolph -- 3.8 ORPG in 31.0 MPG
5. Jordan Hill -- 3.7 ORPG in 30.2 MPG
6. Tristan Thompson -- 3.6 ORPG in 25.9 MPG

Also note Tristan's minutes in comparison to the others.
 
Currently sixth in the NBA in offensive rebounding.

T-1. Tyson Chandler -- 4.3 ORPG in 29.7 MPG
T-1. Andre Drummond -- 4.3 ORPG in 29.7 MPG
3. Omer Asik -- 4.1 ORPG in 27.6 MPG
4. Zach Randolph -- 3.8 ORPG in 31.0 MPG
5. Jordan Hill -- 3.7 ORPG in 30.2 MPG
6. Tristan Thompson -- 3.6 ORPG in 25.9 MPG

Also note Tristan's minutes in comparison to the others.

I'd like to see all those numbers per 36...
 
I'd like to see all those numbers per 36...

He's 4th in the league in Offensive Rebounds Per 36 (min 20 MPG)

1. Omer Asik 5.3
2. Tyson Chandler 5.2
3. Andre Drummond 5.2
4. Tristan Thompson 4.9

Tristan is the only player in the league (again > 20 MPG) who has more offensive boards than defensive ones. Others guys who are close are Robin Lopez (4.3 ORB / 5.0 DRB), Taj Gibson (3.3 ORB / 4.2 DRB) and Amir Johnson (2.9 ORB / 3.9 DRB).
 

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