Tristan Thompson

[Paul]

The leverage I see for the Cavs though is that Tristan wants to be a Cav. It's not like he's unhappy here and he knows the team has a really good shot to win it all, even if he leaves. We'd be a different team without him and we'd lose his skillset, but LeBron himself said the Cavs have 3 great offensive rebounders:
TT
Love
Andy

 

[Los216]

Man this is really some bs,


He wants starter money. Don't hit me with the cap is going up bs either. There's no reason to pay him starter money when as long as he's here he'll be coming off the bench. If he really wants to be paid like Draymond, Monroe, etc then he needs to be a starter.

Take the QO and play this year out. Next season hit the market and let some team pay him that max money. I doubt he receives a max offer next off season regardless what the cap is. He's improved every year but he still hasn't improved on the things he needs to to be a max player.

If your argument is that we will risk losing TT next summer then we'll just replace him net off season. He's not an irreplaceable player. Those who keep saying TT at 5/90 is a good deal on the new cap are wrong. It's not a good deal for a guy getting paid to come off the bench. I also don't think the contract he wants will be easy to trade either.

What team is going to trade for a guy getting max money coming off the bench. They must be trading for him to be their starter right? Well if that's the case then why haven't any teams offered him yet? If you think some teams will offer him money next off season let them.

What's the worst case scenario here? TT takes the QO plays the year out and hits FA next year. There's only two things that will happen then. Some team is going to offer him less than the 5/90 he wants and we can easily match and offer more years. Or some team will offer him the max money he wants and we'll have a decision to make. Offer the same contract and say well TT you were right, or let him walk and replace him.

 

[Birdy89]

If your argument is that we will risk losing TT next summer then we'll just replace him net off season. He's not an irreplaceable player.

Given our cap situation he is.

How do you think the Cavs would be able to acquire a 25 year old PF next off-season capable of averaging a double/double if called upon to start because Love is injured when we only would have the mini-midlevel and few if any assets at our disposal?

That reality is what is driving up TT's price for the Cavs.

Rich Paul and the Cavs know that given their situation with the cap and lack of assets that TT can't be replaced if he left. That allows them to basically name their price and leaves the Cavs cutting off their nose to spite their face if they let him walk over the principle of it.

 

[abrahavt]

Rich Paul is an idiot. He pulled the same stunt with Bledsoe last year and it backfired. The Suns refused to give in to his pressure tactics and Bledsoe had to cave in. Rich does have a lot more leverage in this situation though because of Lebron being here. I think we should get use Haywood to get a couple of player who we can potentially trade for a backup PF next year along with hiring David West. Bledsoe didnt cave in till Sept. 5. Are TT & Lebron going to hold out that long. This is going to be a long summer.

 

[The Red Viper]

Y'all need to relax. Like wuck said, its just the 4th day into free agency. This will be a long game of poker between Dan/Griff and Rich Paul. Each is waiting the other side to bite first.

 

[*L-Train*]

Man this is really some bs,

He wants starter money. Don't hit me with the cap is going up bs either. There's no reason to pay him starter money when as long as he's here he'll be coming off the bench. If he really wants to be paid like Draymond, Monroe, etc then he needs to be a starter.

this is a ridiculous statement, just because he isn't on the floor to start the game doesn't mean we can't pay him like Monroe, Draymond etc. TT plays 30+ Minutes/game and is on the floor in crunch time

Take the QO and play this year out. Next season hit the market and let some team pay him that max money. I doubt he receives a max offer next off season regardless what the cap is. He's improved every year but he still hasn't improved on the things he needs to to be a max player.

i beg to differ, not only is he gonna be unhappy that we forced him to take the QO, with 20-25 teams having max room (the cap will rise from 69Mio to 89Mio next year) he's also gonna receive very rich offers (i've said in another thread 18Mio/yr wouldn't surprise me)

If your argument is that we will risk losing TT next summer then we'll just replace him net off season. He's not an irreplaceable player. Those who keep saying TT at 5/90 is a good deal on the new cap are wrong. It's not a good deal for a guy getting paid to come off the bench. I also don't think the contract he wants will be easy to trade either.

how will we replace him? we will be one of the very few teams which will be over the cap next season. mabye it's just me but i'm not confident that we would be able to replace what TT brings to the table offering players the TAX MLE.

What team is going to trade for a guy getting max money coming off the bench. They must be trading for him to be their starter right? Well if that's the case then why haven't any teams offered him yet? If you think some teams will offer him money next off season let them.

see my first point, who cares whether he starts? he's on the floor when it matters and he's playing starter minutes. what team would trade for him? i could see lots of teams trading for a player who can play PF+C, is young and durable, plays great defense, is among the best offensive rebounders in basketball and can finish games for you at C. not sure why we should put him on the market though.

What's the worst case scenario here? TT takes the QO plays the year out and hits FA next year. There's only two things that will happen then. Some team is going to offer him less than the 5/90 he wants and we can easily match and offer more years. Or some team will offer him the max money he wants and we'll have a decision to make. Offer the same contract and say well TT you were right, or let him walk and replace him

the worst case scenario is we have a disgruntled TT & Lebron next year and a pissed off TT decides he wants to leave in the offseason because we forced him to play for the QO. teams will be able to offer him 4yrs/88Mio next year (because of the cap rise) but unlike this year we can't sit back and match any offer because he's gonna be unrestricted. in other words he and his agent will have the leverage (have fun lowballing him then)



i had to quote this again:

Don't hit me with the cap is going up bs either

here are the cap projections for the next 3 years:

New salary cap projections sent out to NBA teams:
2015-16: 67.1 Mio
2016-17: 89 Mio
2017-18: 108 Mio

you will be able to pay 6 players 16Mio/yr in 2 years and you're still gonna be UNDER the cap. think about that for a minute, do you still think paying TT that much over the next 5 years is overpaying? players who get 8-10Mio now will get 16-18Mio in 2 years. it's just the reality... (on a side note it's gonna be awesome to have Kyrie+Love+TT locked up under the new cap)

 

[Los216]

Given our cap situation he is.

How do you think the Cavs would be able to acquire a 25 year old PF next off-season capable of averaging a double/double if called upon to start because Love is injured when we only would have the mini-midlevel and few if any assets at our disposal?

That reality is what is driving up TT's price for the Cavs.

Rich Paul and the Cavs know that given their situation with the cap and lack of assets that TT can't be replaced if he left. That allows them to basically name their price and leaves the Cavs cutting off their nose to spite their face if they let him walk over the principle of it.

Is Tristan Thompson replaceable right now? Maybe

Is Tristan Thompson replaceable next off season? Hell Yeah

 

[Paul]

this is a ridiculous statement, just because he isn't on the floor to start the game doesn't mean we can't pay him like Monroe, Draymond etc. TT plays 30+ Minutes/game and is on the floor in crunch time




i beg to differ, not only is he gonna be unhappy that we forced him to take the QO, with 20-25 teams having max room (the cap will rise from 69Mio to 89Mio next year) he's also gonna receive very rich offers (i've said in another thread 18Mio/yr wouldn't surprise me)



how will we replace him? we will be one of the very few teams which will be over the cap next season. mabye it's just me but i'm not confident that we would be able to replace what TT brings to the table offering players the TAX MLE.



see my first point, who cares whether he starts? he's on the floor when it matters and he's playing starter minutes. what team would trade for him? i could see lots of teams trading for a player who can play PF+C, is young and durable, plays great defense, is among the best offensive rebounders in basketball and can finish games for you at C. not sure why we should put him on the market though.



the worst case scenario is we have a disgruntled TT & Lebron next year and a pissed off TT decides he wants to leave in the offseason because we forced him to play for the QO. teams will be able to offer him 4yrs/88Mio next year (because of the cap rise) but unlike this year we can't sit back and match any offer because he's gonna be unrestricted. in other words he and his agent will have the leverage (have fun lowballing him then)



i had to quote this again:


here are the cap projections for the next 3 years:


you will be able to pay 6 players 16Mio/yr in 2 years and you're still gonna be UNDER the cap. think about that for a minute, do you still think paying TT that much over the next 5 years is overpaying? players who get 8-10Mio now will get 16-18Mio in 2 years. it's just the reality... (on a side note it's gonna be awesome to have Kyrie+Love+TT locked up under the new cap)

Are you then projecting that TT will be in the game at the end of 4th quarters? Will Love be on the bench, or are you proposing that they go with Love and TT together?

 

[*L-Train*]

Are you then projecting that TT will be in the game at the end of 4th quarters? Will Love be on the bench, or are you proposing that they go with Love and TT together?

that's what i'm proposing. there might be a few teams where i would go with Mozgov over TT (because of a certain matchup) but for the most part i would play TT at center in crunch time.

 

[Los216]

Are you then projecting that TT will be in the game at the end of 4th quarters? Will Love be on the bench, or are you proposing that they go with Love and TT together?

That's why I brought up him being a starter. Love is going to be on the floor in crunch time. Mozzy will as well. If Love were healthy we would have been able to go with a Love/Mozzy combo because of Love's skillset. Don't let The Warriors winning the championship get you caught up int the small ball movement in the league. We have a better advantage with a Lebron/Love/Mozzy combo than Lebron/Love/Tristan. With Mozzy we can play inside and out and force teams to adjust to us. Love being out forced Tristan to be in there with Mozzy. In that scenario you have to take Mozzy out and insert a stretch 4 like JJ so you can have an advantage.

If Love was healthy there's no reason to take out Mozzy. He's a bigger than Tristan, plays better defense, and he makes teams have to guard him.

 

[Lyuokdea]

that's what i'm proposing. there might be a few teams where i would go with Mozgov over TT (because of a certain matchup) but for the most part i would play TT at center in crunch time.

I love how people pretend that there is a "crunch time lineup" that isn't affected at all by who we are playing, the game situation, the foul situation etc.

On some teams that might be true, because they have two starting bigs, and no depth -- but best thing about having Love/TT/Mozgov/Varejao is the flexibility to choose a crunch time lineup based on what the game calls for.

 

[KIxJR1]

In all my years of watching basketball, I've never seen someone who's good at one thing, and he's only good at that because no one guards him, get paid a max contract. He and his agent are delusional. LeBron too.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Is Tristan Thompson replaceable next off season? Hell Yeah

How far under the cap will we be next summer?

And how much will we be able to spend on a free agent next summer?

 

[*L-Train*]

I love how people pretend that there is a "crunch time lineup" that isn't affected at all by who we are playing, the game situation, the foul situation etc.

On some teams that might be true, because they have two starting bigs, and no depth -- but best thing about having Love/TT/Mozgov/Varejao is the flexibility to choose a crunch time lineup based on what the game calls for.

for the most part teams play their best players in crunch time. TT is our best pick&roll defender (among the bigs) and one of the best bigs in the entire league when it comes to switching and defending smaller players. on offense he's a better offensive rebounder than Mozgov which is the skill i want from our center when he's on the floor with Love, Kyrie and Lebron. like i said except for certain matchups (i wouldn't put TT on Dwight Howard for example although that's worth a try as well) i would play TT over Mozgov in crunch time.

 

[abrahavt]

Maybe delusional but they know that they have the Cavs over a barrel and are squeezing as hard as they can till they get what they want. Just a little friendly blackmail.