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I think the entire discussion is fascinating though. I would love someone to lay out a plan to replace Tristan on this Cavs team with the limited assets and cap space they have.
I think it's a matter of getting out of the mindset that you have to have someone as good as Tristan as the replacement. There's no logical reason that his replacement has to be as good or better than him. We're talking about our first big man off the bench, not our top big man.

If Gilbert wants to pay through the nose for all his players then that is fine, he can give tristan his 100 mil and Mozgov his hundred mil and then allocate the 6 mil or so to get JR back or find someone roughly as good (Crawford), but I don't think we're going to be treating our expenses in such a cavalier fashion.

That means that we probably have to choose between TT or Mozgov or maybe we keep TT and Mozgov but have to use a vet minimum guy as our backup swingman. If Windy is right about TT getting a 100 mil deal, then IMO Mozgov will command the same or more. Delly is also probably going to want 3 to 5 mil per year with all that extra cap space floating out there.

You're saying that TT could end up becoming our starting center, with Mozgov leaving, but we already tried that last year and it worked so poorly that Griffin was willing to overpay to land Mozgov to solve the issue. Mozgov pairs really well with K Love and helps mask his defensive deficiencies.

Overall, it's a really messy situation and none of us knows how it will play out. Are you still willing to claim that there's zero chance that TT plays for the QO this year?
 
I think the entire discussion is fascinating though. I would love someone to lay out a plan to replace Tristan on this Cavs team with the limited assets and cap space they have.

We cant replace TT to the extend where we get a 24yo Elite Offensive Rebounder and P&R defender. TT is unique enough to make that nearly impossible.

But i think we dont desperatly need to. as long as we can keep Mozgov(wich without TT becomes alot easier money wise) our Starting 5 is set for 4-5 years and is one of the best in the NBA if not the best. We need to resign JR or replace him for bench scoring and wing defence. We can find a servicable Big who can hustle,rebound off the bench for propably less than half of what TT is asking for.

Factor in the rising cap and that Only Lebron and Mozgov will have "new" contracts.. everybody else has old contracts that will become bargains in the coming years and i have no problem seeing us getting a veteran PF to play 15-20 min Hustle and Rebound his ass off on our Team.
 
Nevermind. My bad. I see you said the contract would be toxic. Carry on.

TT is toxic now? Interesting.

TT on a 5/93 max deal wouldnt be toxic, just a really bad contract.

Only max defensive players are 7 feet tall and block 2.5 shots a game like deandre jordan and TT is no Deandre Jordan.
 
Yeah, Rich Paul pretty much forced the Cavs' hand today. And we don't know that Dan won't be up for paying Moz next summer as well, but the Cavs just aren't going to let TT go.

Overall, it's a really messy situation and none of us knows how it will play out. Are you still willing to claim that there's zero chance that TT plays for the QO this year?
 
This is insane. Really.

I've been on the "give him whatever he wants campaign."

The following post isn't so much me defending that position, more so just my understanding of what's happening here.



Rich Paul is looking for mafia style tribute.

LeBron James came back here, resigned this summer again no problemo. We thought LeBron wouldn't resign until Tristan was taken care of. Rich and Bron opted for the straight shooter route on that. They expect the Cavs to shoot them straight on this. Now demands/threats are being publicly made.


Let's get this straight again. Without Rich Paul: LeBron doesn't come back here. Period. He was the bridge that connected Gilbert and LeBron. He's the only guy who could even remotely get those two men in the same room together again.



We all know what happened to Dan's franchise value when LeBron James left, and also what happened now that he came back. The value of the franchise rose astronomically!


Now the owners are going to cry foul, they'll use clever accounting tricks to leverage the BRI from the players next stoppage. The players are anticipating the owners to act like this already.


LeBron James and Rich Paul aint having that. That's why LeBron is signing one-year contracts from here on out. He knows how much money Dan rakes in off his presence in Cleveland.

When LeBron is 34 and gets a 200 million dollar contract....... Remember how the Heat did Dwyane Wade this past summer.

Nuh uh, LeBron wants Kobe treatment, and then some. LeBron should feel that way. The owners are billionaires. He's just a millionaire that happens to be the very product the people pay to watch perform.

If there were no players; the owners can't keep the building open just to sell peanuts and popcorn now can they?


LeBron James wants every penny that's owed to him, and I don't blame him one bit.


Dan Gilbert's money is completely immaterial to LeBron. The luxury tax, all of that........


Bron doesn't care about "crippling our team." Do you think Bron wants Andy off our team because of his 10 million per year is eating at our cap space? Fuck no!

He wants Andy paid. He wants Tristan paid.


He especially wants Tristan paid; because it acknowledges Richs' importance in LeBron's ultimate return.

It's got nothing to do with how good Tristan is. Nothing to do with that at all. It's payback, and acknowledgement for that man Rich' role.

LeBron doesn't care about our salary cap, he doesn't care about Dan's potential tax penalties. He's not going to feel sorry for billionaires who are bleeding money a little too fast.

He believes the billionaires should pay up; all of the repercussions of how that money spent isn't the ballplayers problem to begin with.

And that's the snaggle we're currently at.
 
I think the entire discussion is fascinating though. I would love someone to lay out a plan to replace Tristan on this Cavs team with the limited assets and cap space they have.

This isn't a trivial task.

You're asking someone to sift through entire team rosters and guess at who might be available.

I think the more relevant point is that we have the $10M TPE and we should likely use it to acquire a replacement for Tristan Thompson by the deadline. The NBA landscape, Jan. 1st 2016, will look very different than it does now; so it's not a fair or reasonable request for someone here on RCF to do the job of an NBA GM and "find a replacement."
 
It wouldn't really be a bad contract with the looming cap jump. He would command more on the open market next summer.

TT on a 5/93 max deal wouldnt be toxic, just a really bad contract.

Only max defensive players are 7 feet tall and block 2.5 shots a game like deandre jordan and TT is no Deandre Jordan.
 
I simply asked a question since I saw multiple people on here today say that Ed Davis or Reggie Evans did what TT basically does. I also hate to break it to everyone, but I wouldn't expect much out of the TPEs in form of a return. With every team getting extra cap space next summer, few teams will be looking to shed salary. Could happen, but not a viable way to replace a player like Tristan.

This isn't a trivial task.

You're asking someone to sift through entire team rosters and guess at who might be available.

I think the more relevant point is that we have the $10M TPE and we should likely use it to acquire a replacement for Tristan Thompson by the deadline. The NBA landscape, Jan. 1st 2016, will look very different than it does now; so it's not a fair or reasonable request for someone here on RCF to do the job of an NBA GM and "find a replacement."
 
It wouldn't really be a bad contract with the looming cap jump.

The difference between cap usage is roughly 5%, it is significant, but paying Tristan over 15-17.5% of the cap isn't what most teams are going to be looking to do.

He would command more on the open market next summer.

That's doubtful.
 
Yeah, Rich Paul pretty much forced the Cavs' hand today. And we don't know that Dan won't be up for paying Moz next summer as well, but the Cavs just aren't going to let TT go.

Oh no he didn't. If next year rolls around and some team is willing to give Thompson X amount of dollars and the Cavs offer more, Tristan still gonna leave? Maybe he does, but I think it's a pretty safe bet that he won't.
 
I simply asked a question since I saw multiple people on here today say that Ed Davis or Reggie Evans did what TT basically does. I also hate to break it to everyone, but I wouldn't expect much out of the TPEs in form of a return. With every team getting extra cap space next summer, few teams will be looking to shed salary. Could happen, but not a viable way to replace a player like Tristan.

I don't think "replacing" Tristan's production is even possible - I think replacing the void of his departure is what most people here are referring to.
 
It wouldn't really be a bad contract with the looming cap jump. He would command more on the open market next summer.

I dont believe that for a second. TT has one elite skill, offensive rebounding. He cant shoot, he cant defend the rim, he isnt a good post defender and he is ok at P&R defense. His defensive rebounding rate is average for a big man.

If he got more next year even with the huge increase, some team will regret the contract within 12 months.
 
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Jesus. More needless overreaction. The Cavs will pay him, and it will be more than he deserves. What is the total going to be? No clue. Don't care.

When will you guys stop believing everything that ESPN and Windy tell you? Just meaningless posturing.
 

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