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He's actually pretty damn republican to the core.

No, he isn't. He's a Perot-type populist with ideas all over the place. He's supported very un-Republican ideas like universal, single-payor health care, massive tax hikes, and opposed free trade and entitlement reform.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421043/donald-trump-progressive-issues

Some of the republicans, privately probably applaud some of his ludicrous claims, too.

Which particular ludicrous claims are you claiming other Republican candidates (if that's who you are referring to) are privately applauding?
 
I honestly think everyone here is underestimating Trump. He has an endgame, but I don't think he ever seriously wanted to be president. Let's step into Lord Mar's world and connect some dots...

He has supported Bill Clinton in the past. He has supported the Clinton foundation, and he has contributed to all of Hilary's previous campaigns, including her last presidential bid. Bill and Hilary love the Don, and even now Bill Clinton speaks admirably of the guy. Meanwhile, you can find plenty of blurbs where Trump is attacking Obama, Jeb, McCain, etc. but he hasn't taken any shots at his theoretical presidential opponent: Hilary.

Donald has no chance of winning the Republican nomination in the long run, but I think he'll stay in it as long as he's remotely relevant. He'll stay way far to the right; too far to draw interest from any independent, but far enough to garner interest from radicals in the republican party. After the nominee is chosen, he'll run as an independent. He won't win, but he'll draw some 5% of the vote, all from the right wing base, and guarantee Hilary a victory. After that, there will be a president who gives a very willing ear to Trump, and he'll certainly have enough influence in Washington to recoup any loses in wealth he accrues during his presidential bid.

For anyone who watches House of Cards, think of Trump as a more devious Raymond Tusk. He doesn't want to be distracted by the job of president, he just wants access to the power. And by guaranteeing Hilary a seat, he'll get it. The mistake Republicans made was letting Trump in in the first place. Jeb Bush is the only one I've heard publicly question how "Republican" Trump may actually be.

Spoken too soon.
Today he called her the worst secretary of state ever and pretty much said it'd be no compotition
 
I'm not a Trump supporter. I also think he's unelectable. That said, I am someone who has clicked on his name recently when i see a poll. Why? Because I agree with him on the seriousness of the border problem...and i think many are with me. I think he's an imbecile for his rhetoric and saying they are all drug addicts and rapists. But i like the idea that he's calling attention to the problem and hopefully the other candidates on both sides will realize the people are sick of it. The Republicans are afraid to be vocal because they will immediately get the racist label from the Dems. For me personally, it has zero to do with race. We have too many poor, uneducated and unemployed of our own. We can't sustain millions more flooding in illegally. It's also an insult to those waiting and going through the process legally. I don't care their color or nation of origin. They could all be white and Irish and I still wouldn't want them flooding across illegally. We are broke and can't take much more.

Obama's major motivation with the open borders and sanctuary cities is one thing - ensure a republican never wins the Presidential election again. Mission accomplished. Now, where are their jobs going to come from?




The Immigration Boon to Democrats

There’s no mystery about why Democrats resist enforcing our immigration laws.

By Ian Smith — July 16, 2015

A new “sanctuary cities” map from the Center for Immigration Studies goes a long way toward explaining why open-borders Democrats are so addicted to flouting our immigration laws. When you consider the political makeup of the cities, counties, and states where illegal aliens are welcomed, you start to suspect that the liberal elite in San Francisco and elsewhere aren’t interested only in cheap nannies and gardeners. For them, pulling in more illegal aliens is, perhaps first and foremost, about pumping up their political power.

The Census Bureau includes aliens (both legal and illegal) in the statistics used to apportion our 435 congressional districts. This has the perverse effect of helping states with bigger immigrant populations to inflate both their representation in Congress and the number of Electoral College votes they are allotted (the latter is a function of the former). Just through their illegal-alien numbers, the states of New York, New Jersey, California, Florida, and Illinois, which all went for Obama in 2012, received eight additional congressional seats in the last reapportionment, with over half of those gains coming from their sanctuary cities and counties. It’s clear, then, why Democrats resist enforcing our immigration laws: More bodies mean more power.

It is estimated that fully half of America’s 41 million immigrants have settled in just five metropolitan areas: New York City–Newark, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, and San Francisco–Oakland. According to data from the Center for Immigration Studies, every one of these cities and their surrounding counties has sanctuary policies of some kind. Considering the illegal-alien pull factor of these policies, which Kate Steinle’s murderer admitted to, it’s unsurprising that the immigrant populations of these sanctuary cities includes many who are here illegally. Data from the Migration Policy Institute show that 3.2 million of the nation’s 11 million illegal aliens reside in just 19 counties that include the sanctuary cities of the deep-blue states listed in the previous paragraph. Furthermore, because these estimates are based on Census Bureau mail-in forms, which some commentators believe illegal aliens are on average less willing to return, they likely undercount the true level of illegal aliens in these counties.

After the 1910 census, when the U.S. population was 92 million, Congress capped the number of House seats at 435. The immigrant population has since exploded, especially after the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, heavily promoted by Ted Kennedy. Today, average representation in the House is around one representative per 700,000. By comparison, the lower chambers in Canada, Britain, France, and Germany have around one representative per 90,000.

It’s not surprising that California flipped from red to blue after the U.S. adopted an open-borders policy.
The immigrants we’ve let in since the late Sixties are largely Hispanic, and ever since the 1980 election, when we started tracking their voting figures, Hispanics have reliably voted heavily Democratic. Considering, then, that California has two of the five main areas immigrants end up settling in (Los Angeles and San Francisco–Oakland), it’s not surprising that the state flipped from red to blue after the U.S. adopted an open-borders policy. (California has just enacted a statewide sanctuary policy, although it is weaker than San Francisco’s.)

But on top of up-ending states politically, open-borders and sanctuary policies also make those states more powerful. Neither San Francisco County nor four of the counties surrounding it (Santa Cruz, Santa Clara, San Mateo, and Contra Costa) enforce Secure Communities, a federal program that requires sheriffs to cooperate with immigration authorities when they’re asked to hold aliens for pickup. Together, these five counties account for over 330,000 illegal aliens, or half a congressional seat — or Electoral College vote. That may not seem like much, but as we know from the Bush–Gore election, one Electoral College vote can determine the outcome of an election. And if those five counties are taken together with Los Angeles County and two of its neighbors, Orange and Riverside Counties, their combined illegal-alien population accounts for almost three congressional seats.

And if you look at the entire illegal-alien populations of the top immigration states, New York, New Jersey, California, Florida, and Illinois (I’ve excluded the Republican stronghold of Texas), together these states are given a full eight additional representatives in Congress. If the Obama administration actually compelled these states to enforce our immigration laws, would they have such outsized representation? More fundamentally, eight Electoral College votes could make a difference in a close election.

Naked self-interest has surrounded our apportionment system ever since it was revised by the Fourteenth Amendment. In a law-review article about the debates over the apportionment clause in that amendment, Patrick Charles, a former analyst with the Immigration Reform Law Institute, describes how Congressman Roscoe Conkling from the big-immigration state of New York lobbied hard for a broader apportionment base because, as Conkling said, the estimated “unnaturalized foreigners” in his state contributed “three Representatives and a fraction of a fourth.”

For the mostly Democratic sanctuary cities, counties, and states to start enforcing our immigration laws, they would have to surrender a sizable amount of power, an unlikely prospect. The GOP could try to pass legislation requiring that the Census Bureau collect information about citizenship and residency status, which Senator David Vitter of Louisiana tried to do in 2009; this would provide a dataset that could be used to remove illegal aliens from the apportionment base. But of course the Democrats would fight it tooth and nail. Unsurprisingly, of the 50 congressional districts covered by the 19 sanctuary counties mentioned above, 47 are held by Democrats. Many of these representatives would surely be put out of work if illegal aliens were removed from the apportionment base and the sanctuary magnet was turned off. But if our immigration laws continue to be evaded, finding sanctuary from open-borders Democrats will only get harder and harder.

— Ian Smith is an attorney and works for the Immigration Reform Law Institute.
 
I honestly think everyone here is underestimating Trump. He has an endgame, but I don't think he ever seriously wanted to be president. Let's step into Lord Mar's world and connect some dots...

He has supported Bill Clinton in the past. He has supported the Clinton foundation, and he has contributed to all of Hilary's previous campaigns, including her last presidential bid. Bill and Hilary love the Don, and even now Bill Clinton speaks admirably of the guy. Meanwhile, you can find plenty of blurbs where Trump is attacking Obama, Jeb, McCain, etc. but he hasn't taken any shots at his theoretical presidential opponent: Hilary.

Donald has no chance of winning the Republican nomination in the long run, but I think he'll stay in it as long as he's remotely relevant. He'll stay way far to the right; too far to draw interest from any independent, but far enough to garner interest from radicals in the republican party. After the nominee is chosen, he'll run as an independent. He won't win, but he'll draw some 5% of the vote, all from the right wing base, and guarantee Hilary a victory. After that, there will be a president who gives a very willing ear to Trump, and he'll certainly have enough influence in Washington to recoup any loses in wealth he accrues during his presidential bid.

For anyone who watches House of Cards, think of Trump as a more devious Raymond Tusk. He doesn't want to be distracted by the job of president, he just wants access to the power. And by guaranteeing Hilary a seat, he'll get it. The mistake Republicans made was letting Trump in in the first place. Jeb Bush is the only one I've heard publicly question how "Republican" Trump may actually be.

i think you nailed it. Trump is trolling the republican party and I am shocked more people arent writing about it. Hell i personally think him just running for the GOP nomination will split enough people from voting that way it will help Dem nomination (hillary).

as a democrat im not really exciting about hillary, and really wish Warren would run. But i would vote 100 times for hillary before voting for anyone on the GOP
 
Trump is hilarious, the and longer he stays in the running, the funnier it gets.

Whole thing is a sham anyway.
 
Everyone realizes he inherited his Dad's company and has proceeded to drive it into the ground over and over again right?

Guy is a joke.

Believe it or not, Obama is the best president we've had in a long time and has put us in a position to make the radical changes society needs.
 
Everyone realizes he inherited his Dad's company and has proceeded to drive it into the ground over and over again right?

Guy is a joke.

I lol'd..

Believe it or not, Obama is the best president we've had in a long time and has put us in a position to make the radical changes society needs.

I lol'd again...

Thanks for the laughs!
 
I lol'd..



I lol'd again...

Thanks for the laughs!

For the second presidential election in a row, I'm challenging myself to keep my opinions to a minimum. I was shocked how personal some members became from just talking issues.

I will hope we don't have posts that are dismissive of each other's opinions without explanation. That's how things got bad in 2007/2008 in the politics threads.
 
I can't fucking wait to vote for Trump.

IDGAF about politics because I can't control them and all news centered around is spun so badly and ridiculously that the truth is impossible to understand.

Trump is arrogant and HILARIOUS and I'm hoping he's going to push politicians to be more honest and straightforward.

I'm white so also DGAF about how he feels about other races.

I just want the guy around as long as possible because he makes me laugh.
 
Too much Fox?

Seriously? You realize I worked for Barack Obama and the Democratic Party for years right?

For the second presidential election in a row, I'm challenging myself to keep my opinions to a minimum. I was shocked how personal some members became from just talking issues.

I will hope we don't have posts that are dismissive of each other's opinions without explanation. That's how things got bad in 2007/2008 in the politics threads.

Fair enough..

Let's go through it then.

Everyone realizes he inherited his Dad's company and has proceeded to drive it into the ground over and over again right?

Guy is a joke.

This portion of the post I agree with. Donald Trump is a joke, hence my response "lol." I agree with Damien here, and am laughing alongside him, as I suspect @Maximus is as well.

Believe it or not, Obama is the best president we've had in a long time and has put us in a position to make the radical changes society needs.

I laughed at this because it's an odd thing to say; in fact, it's so odd that it's humorous. I think Obama himself would probably think it's funny too.

Obama isn't the best President we've had in a long time unless a long time is essentially the last Administration. Obama's Presidency has not been as successful as Clinton's and that's counting an impeachment and the 2 years lost to the hearings and investigation.

This isn't necessarily Obama's fault, as the GOP has admitted to an unprecedented level of intransigence, and obstructionism. But, how can we grade Barack on what might have or could have been had he been given a cooperative Congress? Do we go back to all previous Administrations and do the same thing? It's silly.

The reason Reagan is considered such a great President (even though he wasn't) is because he not only knew how to work with Democrats, he literally turned many Democrats into loyal allies. He dealt with similar calls for government shutdowns, questions regarding his ability to handle foreign policy and diplomacy, ridicule over his military spending and Star Wars initiative, etc. But all in all, at the end of the day, Reagan managed to get quite a lot done with the opposing party controlling Congress. I think that says a lot.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Reagan. In fact, I think historians would rank these Presidents similarly. But getting back to Obama, I think he squandered his chance at greatness.

Coming into office he was gifted with an Democratic near super-majority, which for a very brief time actually became a super-majority. Instead of ramming every and all Democratic proposals through Congress - a New Deal so to speak, we got the fucking Affordable Care Act? A watered down corporatist betrayal of our campaign promises?

A "universal health care program" that was neither universal, had anything to do with care, nor did it offer an actual government program.

Essentially, it was the Individual Mandate, the one and only reason anyone opposed the bill on either the left, or right; that was left in the bill - for the insurance companies, but all of the progressive/liberal policies were stripped out.

I'm sorry, but that's not leadership. Leadership would've been an expansion of Medicare, for all citizens, or a public option. Leadership means leading the way, and if Obama didn't think it could be done, then that was the time to focus the nation's attention on infrastructure programs.

Any belief that Obama is a "great President" is simply misinformed at best. I don't mean that condescendingly to anyone who might think this, I mean to simply suggest one do their research on past Presidents.

Like David Griffin, Obama gets a C in my book -- maybe a C+.

Why?

Let's go back to the Great Depression and find Presidents more or less successful than Obama.

More Successful:
FDR
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Clinton

Middle of the Pack:
Lyndon Johnson (due to Vietnam)
Reagan
Obama
Bush 1

Less Successful:
Truman
Nixon
Ford
Bush 2
Carter

Averaging his position as being equivalent with Reagan gives him a slightly above average score. Hence C+.

As far as Obama paving the way for radical changes... I mean, what radical changes?

You mean like ending the war in Afghanistan and closing Gitmo?
Or like universal health care or a national infrastructure and manufacturing program?
Or like ending warrantless wiretapping, the Patriot Act, and NDAA?
Or like reigning in Wall Street?
Or maybe the War on Drugs?
Or the unfair and inequitable treatment and sentencing of African-Americans for drug crimes (do I have to vote for Rand Paul)?

Oh you mean those progressive things that didn't happen in the past 7 years??
 
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Seriously? You realize I worked for Barack Obama and the Democratic Party for years right?



Fair enough..

Let's go through it then.



This portion of the post I agree with. Donald Trump is a joke, hence my response "lol." I agree with Damien here, and am laughing alongside him, as I suspect @Maximus is as well.



I laughed at this because it's an odd thing to say; in fact, it's so odd that it's humorous. I think Obama himself would probably think it's funny too.

Obama isn't the best President we've had in a long time unless a long time is essentially the last Administration. Obama's Presidency has not been as successful as Clinton's and that's counting an impeachment and the 2 years lost to the hearings and investigation.

This isn't necessarily Obama's fault, as the GOP has admitted to an unprecedented level of intransigence, and obstructionism. But, how can we grade Barack on what might have or could have been had he been given a cooperative Congress? Do we go back to all previous Administrations and do the same thing? It's silly.

The reason Reagan is considered such a great President (even though he wasn't) is because he not only knew how to work with Democrats, he literally turned many Democrats into loyal allies. He dealt with similar calls for government shutdowns, questions regarding his ability to handle foreign policy and diplomacy, ridicule over his military spending and Star Wars initiative, etc. But all in all, at the end of the day, Reagan managed to get quite a lot done with the opposing party controlling Congress. I think that says a lot.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Reagan. In fact, I think historians would rank these Presidents similarly. But getting back to Obama, I think he squandered his chance at greatness.

Coming into office he was gifted with an Democratic near super-majority, which for a very brief time actually became a super-majority. Instead of ramming every and all Democratic proposals through Congress - a New Deal so to speak, we got the fucking Affordable Care Act? A watered down corporatist betrayal of our campaign promises?

A "universal health care program" that was neither universal, had anything to do with care, nor did it offer an actual government program.

Essentially, it was the Individual Mandate, the one and only reason anyone opposed the bill on either the left, or right; that was left in the bill - for the insurance companies, but all of the progressive/liberal policies were stripped out.

I'm sorry, but that's not leadership. Leadership would've been an expansion of Medicare, for all citizens, or a public option. Leadership means leading the way, and if Obama didn't think it could be done, then that was the time to focus the nation's attention on infrastructure programs.

Any belief that Obama is a "great President" is simply misinformed at best. I don't mean that condescendingly to anyone who might think this, I mean to simply suggest one do their research on past Presidents.

Like David Griffin, Obama gets a C in my book -- maybe a C+.

Why?

Let's go back to the Great Depression and find Presidents more or less successful than Obama.

More Successful:
FDR
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Clinton

Middle of the Pack:
Lyndon Johnson (due to Vietnam)
Reagan
Obama
Bush 1

Less Successful:
Truman
Nixon
Ford
Bush 2
Carter

Averaging his position as being equivalent with Reagan gives him a slightly above average score. Hence C+.

As far as Obama paving the way for radical changes... I mean, what radical changes?

You mean like ending the war in Afghanistan and closing Gitmo?
Or like universal health care or a national infrastructure and manufacturing program?
Or like ending warrantless wiretapping, the Patriot Act, and NDAA?
Or like reigning in Wall Street?
Or maybe the War on Drugs?
Or the unfair and inequitable treatment and sentencing of African-Americans for drug crimes (do I have to vote for Rand Paul)?

Oh you mean those progressive things that didn't happen in the past 7 years??

I believe my laundry list can add to yours as to why he isn't the best. It is a long list.
 
Seriously? You realize I worked for Barack Obama and the Democratic Party for years right?



Fair enough..

Let's go through it then.



This portion of the post I agree with. Donald Trump is a joke, hence my response "lol." I agree with Damien here, and am laughing alongside him, as I suspect @Maximus is as well.



I laughed at this because it's an odd thing to say; in fact, it's so odd that it's humorous. I think Obama himself would probably think it's funny too.

Obama isn't the best President we've had in a long time unless a long time is essentially the last Administration. Obama's Presidency has not been as successful as Clinton's and that's counting an impeachment and the 2 years lost to the hearings and investigation.

This isn't necessarily Obama's fault, as the GOP has admitted to an unprecedented level of intransigence, and obstructionism. But, how can we grade Barack on what might have or could have been had he been given a cooperative Congress? Do we go back to all previous Administrations and do the same thing? It's silly.

The reason Reagan is considered such a great President (even though he wasn't) is because he not only knew how to work with Democrats, he literally turned many Democrats into loyal allies. He dealt with similar calls for government shutdowns, questions regarding his ability to handle foreign policy and diplomacy, ridicule over his military spending and Star Wars initiative, etc. But all in all, at the end of the day, Reagan managed to get quite a lot done with the opposing party controlling Congress. I think that says a lot.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Reagan. In fact, I think historians would rank these Presidents similarly. But getting back to Obama, I think he squandered his chance at greatness.

Coming into office he was gifted with an Democratic near super-majority, which for a very brief time actually became a super-majority. Instead of ramming every and all Democratic proposals through Congress - a New Deal so to speak, we got the fucking Affordable Care Act? A watered down corporatist betrayal of our campaign promises?

A "universal health care program" that was neither universal, had anything to do with care, nor did it offer an actual government program.

Essentially, it was the Individual Mandate, the one and only reason anyone opposed the bill on either the left, or right; that was left in the bill - for the insurance companies, but all of the progressive/liberal policies were stripped out.

I'm sorry, but that's not leadership. Leadership would've been an expansion of Medicare, for all citizens, or a public option. Leadership means leading the way, and if Obama didn't think it could be done, then that was the time to focus the nation's attention on infrastructure programs.

Any belief that Obama is a "great President" is simply misinformed at best. I don't mean that condescendingly to anyone who might think this, I mean to simply suggest one do their research on past Presidents.

Like David Griffin, Obama gets a C in my book -- maybe a C+.

Why?

Let's go back to the Great Depression and find Presidents more or less successful than Obama.

More Successful:
FDR
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Clinton

Middle of the Pack:
Lyndon Johnson (due to Vietnam)
Reagan
Obama
Bush 1

Less Successful:
Truman
Nixon
Ford
Bush 2
Carter

Averaging his position as being equivalent with Reagan gives him a slightly above average score. Hence C+.

As far as Obama paving the way for radical changes... I mean, what radical changes?

You mean like ending the war in Afghanistan and closing Gitmo?
Or like universal health care or a national infrastructure and manufacturing program?
Or like ending warrantless wiretapping, the Patriot Act, and NDAA?
Or like reigning in Wall Street?
Or maybe the War on Drugs?
Or the unfair and inequitable treatment and sentencing of African-Americans for drug crimes (do I have to vote for Rand Paul)?

Oh you mean those progressive things that didn't happen in the past 7 years??

Well said.

Goddamn has his time in office been a depressing unfulfilled promise of hope and change.
 
So in an alternate universe where Trump becums Prez, what is my life like?

Let's assume I'm a 32 year old married upper-middle class white male
 

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