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Uninsured's leave $49 billion in unpaid hospital bills

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The government does a damn good job making ends meat delivering our mail, so why not our insurance and our lives as well? Heck, government employees at the post office get to play cards in a back room some days, and then get tons of retirement benefits and other such non-sense, so why not extend our great government's reach to include EVERY single American under their great guidance?

In my prior life I had many business acquiantances who live in Canada. Quite a few of them have discussed moving to the USA because they simply could not get timely Doctor's appointments when needed. Sometimes simple appointments would have to be made 6 months or longer in advancement. God forbid you were actually sick but your Doc was just too busy to see you. Now? Some are very unsure what to do as they see Obama moving towards more government and wanting to be just like their situations. Why should they move here to get away from government if they move to a country wanting to do the same things?
 
Health care related bankruptcy is on the rise, study says

http://news.consumerreports.org/hea...bt-medical-bills-how-to-avoid-bankruptcy.html


Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM
Americans are increasingly at risk of financial ruin due to illness and medical expenses, according to a new study released yesterday by the American Journal of Medicine. The researchers found that illness or medical bills contributed to nearly two thirds, or 62 percent, of all bankruptcies in 2007—before the major impact of the housing collapse and current economic downturn. That’s a 50 percent increase over a similar survey in 2001 by the same researchers.
Most of the debtors are middle aged, middle class and have a college level education, and each of them has their own story. Take Donna, from Chicago (right) who told us her bankruptcy story during our Cover America Tour. Donna’s husband had already been diagnosed with a heart condition, and when she found out she had uterine cancer, their out-of-pocket costs shot up to $9,000 a year. When they fell behind on their bills, one of her doctors sued to garnish her wages, which forced her and her husband into bankruptcy. They ended up losing their house, she gave up her job at a newspaper, and they moved into their daughter’s basement until they could afford a small apartment.
As in this case, unaffordable bills directly contributed to 92 percent of medical bankruptcies, and loss of income due to illness caused 40 percent. Many people lose their heath insurance after suffering an illness or injury. A quarter of businesses that offer health insurance cancel coverage immediately when an employee suffers a disabling illness, and 25 percent more cancel coverage within a year, according to the study.

Just over three-quarters of people who suffered a bankruptcy due to illness were insured at the onset of their health issue. But the total out-of-pocket medical costs for those who had insurance when they became ill was a steep $17,749, on average. For those who didn’t have insurance, the average debt was $26,971. These figures underscore the need for improving our health insurance system. In a recent poll, we found that 60 percent of Americans are concerned about the possibility of bankruptcy because of a medical concern. At the moment, the best defense against medical debt is to know your coverage, and try to negotiate your bills if they are too high. (And check for billing errors.) Also, be aware that lenders have begun pushing risky credit plans for medical care. Try not to pay medical bills on your credit card—it can weaken your negotiating power with the provider, while potentially racking up tremendous interest and fees.
Kevin McCarthy, associate editor

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yet these these Tea Party douche bags use health care as a rallying cry against any real reform!


 
Illegal Immigration Healthcare Costs Affect YOU!

Posted on June 1, 2010 by admin


By Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

The national spotlight is on Arizona for doing what the Federal government and previous Governor Napolitano refused to do: rein in an invasion of illegal aliens bankrupting our state (Arizona). At an August 2009 healthcare Town Hall in Phoenix, legislators said that more than half of Arizona’s 4 billion dollar budget deficit was the result of paying for three areas of services to illegal immigrants: education, healthcare, and incarceration.

What does illegal immigration have to do with your costs and your access to medical care when you need it?

Estimates are that 20-40% of uncompensated (“free”) medical services are provided to people in the US illegally. The actual number may be much higher. Shockingly, hospitals and clinics don’t ask about citizenship…a medical version of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

In both Tucson and Dallas where I have practiced medicine, hospitals are struggling under massive costs of uncompensated medical services for uninsured people who, by federal law, cannot be turned away for lack of insurance or ability to pay.

How much does this uncompensated care actually cost taxpayers? The incredible answer: no one knows.

We only have “estimates” of the costs to taxpayers to treat illegal immigrants because hospitals and public health clinics do not ask for proof of citizenship before providing care.
What are consequences to taxpaying citizens?

1. Increased cost and reduced access to trauma care. Tucson has lost all but one Level I Trauma Center to serve all of southern Arizona, in large part due to massive, unsustainable losses from uncompensated care. Auto accidents involving overloaded vans of illegal aliens happen regularly in southern Arizona. Injured are flown by air ambulance to University Medical Center’s Trauma Center and treated with state of the art care….all at taxpayer expense.

2. A registered nurse involved with the Pima County health system since the 1970’s who must remain anonymous because of her role, said she has never seen any staff member at either El Rio Clinic or Pima County Health Department ask for proof of citizenship before providing free medical services (immunizations, Well Baby checks, food stamps, WIC services, birth control, and even elective abortions). Costs are paid by taxpayers. When funds are depleted, low income American citizens have fewer services and longer waits as a result.

3. This same RN also said: “I personally know Mexican men who married 16 year old girls, got them pregnant, brought them to Tucson for the baby to become a US citizen. They live in Mexico but come here for their health care. Taxpayers pay for this medical care many ways, at the Public Health Department, and with school nurses who provide care.”

4. Uncompensated medical services for illegal immigrants mean higher premiums for all of us due to cost shifting among all third party payers. To cover the deficits from “free” medical services they provide, the administration at University Physicians Health System Kino campus is analyzing how much to increase employee health insurance premiums as of July 1.

5. Obamacare cuts benefits to American citizens: $500 billion in Medicare cuts and slashing the Medicare Advantage program. Medicare Advantage, chosen by one in five seniors, is the most popular plan for low and moderate income seniors, and covers about half of our Hispanic or African-American elderly. My patients on Medicare have worked and paid into the system over their working careers, yet these cuts mean less health*care available to them now. We certainly cannot afford to cover those here illegally.

6. Hospitals in Tucson and Dallas also provide uncompensated (“free”) maternity services to pregnant women here illegally. Their babies then become US citizens entitled to all of the services available for low income American families – food stamps, WIC, immunizations, office visits, medications, etc. This drives up costs to all of us: higher premiums for private insurance companies, and higher taxes for government insurance like Arizona’s Medicaid (AHCCCS).

7. Professional estimates are that over half of the pregnant women served at Parkland Hospital in Dallas are in this country illegally. With over 16,000 deliveries a year, Parkland is one of the nation’s busiest maternity services with prenatal clinics for low income women to receive free prenatal care, nutrition, medication, birthing classes, child care classes, and free supplies (formula, diapers, bottles, car seats). Taxpayers pay the bills.

How many of these women are legal citizens and how many are not? No one knows. No one asks about citizenship.

It is significant that the 4 states with the highest number of uninsured patients are the southern Border States that also have the highest burden of illegal immigrants: California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The bottom line is that working, taxpaying, legal citizens are bearing the brunt of the failure of our government officials to document citizenship before providing medical services.

How long before your medical care is delayed or denied because our health systems have collapsed from deficits due to uncompensated medical care?

Arizona’s massive deficits, greatly increased by healthcare services for illegals, is the canary in the mine, warning of a potential explosion that may collapse the system for all.

It’s straight out of the Cloward-Piven playbook: destroy the system by overwhelming it. Your state – and your healthcare –may be next.
 
Illegal Immigration Healthcare Costs Affect YOU!

Posted on June 1, 2010 by admin


By Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

The national spotlight is on Arizona for doing what the Federal government and previous Governor Napolitano refused to do: rein in an invasion of illegal aliens bankrupting our state (Arizona). At an August 2009 healthcare Town Hall in Phoenix, legislators said that more than half of Arizona’s 4 billion dollar budget deficit was the result of paying for three areas of services to illegal immigrants: education, healthcare, and incarceration.

What does illegal immigration have to do with your costs and your access to medical care when you need it?

Estimates are that 20-40% of uncompensated (“free”) medical services are provided to people in the US illegally. The actual number may be much higher. Shockingly, hospitals and clinics don’t ask about citizenship…a medical version of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

In both Tucson and Dallas where I have practiced medicine, hospitals are struggling under massive costs of uncompensated medical services for uninsured people who, by federal law, cannot be turned away for lack of insurance or ability to pay.

How much does this uncompensated care actually cost taxpayers? The incredible answer: no one knows.

We only have “estimates” of the costs to taxpayers to treat illegal immigrants because hospitals and public health clinics do not ask for proof of citizenship before providing care.
What are consequences to taxpaying citizens?

1. Increased cost and reduced access to trauma care. Tucson has lost all but one Level I Trauma Center to serve all of southern Arizona, in large part due to massive, unsustainable losses from uncompensated care. Auto accidents involving overloaded vans of illegal aliens happen regularly in southern Arizona. Injured are flown by air ambulance to University Medical Center’s Trauma Center and treated with state of the art care….all at taxpayer expense.

2. A registered nurse involved with the Pima County health system since the 1970’s who must remain anonymous because of her role, said she has never seen any staff member at either El Rio Clinic or Pima County Health Department ask for proof of citizenship before providing free medical services (immunizations, Well Baby checks, food stamps, WIC services, birth control, and even elective abortions). Costs are paid by taxpayers. When funds are depleted, low income American citizens have fewer services and longer waits as a result.

3. This same RN also said: “I personally know Mexican men who married 16 year old girls, got them pregnant, brought them to Tucson for the baby to become a US citizen. They live in Mexico but come here for their health care. Taxpayers pay for this medical care many ways, at the Public Health Department, and with school nurses who provide care.”

4. Uncompensated medical services for illegal immigrants mean higher premiums for all of us due to cost shifting among all third party payers. To cover the deficits from “free” medical services they provide, the administration at University Physicians Health System Kino campus is analyzing how much to increase employee health insurance premiums as of July 1.

5. Obamacare cuts benefits to American citizens: $500 billion in Medicare cuts and slashing the Medicare Advantage program. Medicare Advantage, chosen by one in five seniors, is the most popular plan for low and moderate income seniors, and covers about half of our Hispanic or African-American elderly. My patients on Medicare have worked and paid into the system over their working careers, yet these cuts mean less health*care available to them now. We certainly cannot afford to cover those here illegally.

6. Hospitals in Tucson and Dallas also provide uncompensated (“free”) maternity services to pregnant women here illegally. Their babies then become US citizens entitled to all of the services available for low income American families – food stamps, WIC, immunizations, office visits, medications, etc. This drives up costs to all of us: higher premiums for private insurance companies, and higher taxes for government insurance like Arizona’s Medicaid (AHCCCS).

7. Professional estimates are that over half of the pregnant women served at Parkland Hospital in Dallas are in this country illegally. With over 16,000 deliveries a year, Parkland is one of the nation’s busiest maternity services with prenatal clinics for low income women to receive free prenatal care, nutrition, medication, birthing classes, child care classes, and free supplies (formula, diapers, bottles, car seats). Taxpayers pay the bills.

How many of these women are legal citizens and how many are not? No one knows. No one asks about citizenship.

It is significant that the 4 states with the highest number of uninsured patients are the southern Border States that also have the highest burden of illegal immigrants: California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The bottom line is that working, taxpaying, legal citizens are bearing the brunt of the failure of our government officials to document citizenship before providing medical services.

How long before your medical care is delayed or denied because our health systems have collapsed from deficits due to uncompensated medical care?

Arizona’s massive deficits, greatly increased by healthcare services for illegals, is the canary in the mine, warning of a potential explosion that may collapse the system for all.

It’s straight out of the Cloward-Piven playbook: destroy the system by overwhelming it. Your state – and your healthcare –may be next.



shhhhh. That's a don't ask don't tell kind of thing, don't ya know? You shouldn't be posting things of the exact opposite nature of what Obama stands for.
 
The rest of the civilized world has done the math and realized every citizen should pay for health care if every citizen is protected by the Hippocratic Oath. It's absurdly obvious. This is a matter of closing a loophole called bankruptcy.

This.

We have a health care system that requires doctors to treat people who are sick. They make an oath to do it, no matter if the person they are treating has insurance or can't pay for the medical costs.

But we have a political party saying health care treatment should be a privilege, not a right. The result is maddeningly predictable: people get treated no matter what and those with insurance have to cover the cost.

It seems pretty obvious that if you have an industry that MUST treat everyone then we should have a system that MUST cover everyone.
 
This.

We have a health care system that requires doctors to treat people who are sick. They make an oath to do it, no matter if that person they are treating has insurance or can't pay for the medical costs.

But we have a political party saying health care treatment should be a privilege, not a right. The result is maddeningly predictable: people get treated no matter what and those with insurance have to cover the cost.

It seems pretty obvious that if you have an industry that MUST treat everyone then we should have a system that MUST cover everyone.

This argument really reminds me of the scene in Slaughterhouse-Five where Billy is in the hospital with Rumfoord. Rumfoord believes that people who are weak (or don't have the money to buy their healthcare) deserve to die or, at least, not receive that healthcare. But, of course the hospital staff believes the exact opposite, "that weak people should be helped as much as possible, and nobody should die."
 
This.

We have a health care system that requires doctors to treat people who are sick. They make an oath to do it, no matter if the person they are treating has insurance or can't pay for the medical costs.

But we have a political party saying health care treatment should be a privilege, not a right. The result is maddeningly predictable: people get treated no matter what and those with insurance have to cover the cost.

It seems pretty obvious that if you have an industry that MUST treat everyone then we should have a system that MUST cover everyone.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be a major overhaul, but do you really want the governement to run it? The same people that have developed the current tax code? They can't run ANYTHING efficiently - see Fannie, Freddie, Soc Sec, Dep of Ed, HUD, Transportation, etc, etc, etc.

I don't see how nationalized healthcare solves the root problems. I see it only creating new ones.
 
shhhhh. That's a don't ask don't tell kind of thing, don't ya know? You shouldn't be posting things of the exact opposite nature of what Obama stands for.

underemployed conservatives shouldn't spend so much time on the internet there DumbHeil

Obama hasn't followed through in his campaign promise about reforming immigration, but big news flash it hasn't been a topic that any conservative has REALLY addressed either

the only national politician that has been vocal about this is our favorite crazy Libertarian in conservative clothing Ron Paul

The one thing I have heard which I fully support is not giving US citizenship to children born to illegals

although I am central to left leaning the Immigration issue is something that neither party has dealt with because both are afraid of the political repercussions

when politician meekly question our need to be involved in a "war" in Afghanistan , yet won't take a stance on this it infuriates me

Americans are more endangered by Mexican Drug cartels that cause terror in border towns and operate well within the US than Muslim extremists half way across the world

secure our borders, tighten up on immigration and don't play partisan political games - deal with the issues
 
I'm not saying there doesn't need to be a major overhaul, but do you really want the governement to run it? The same people that have developed the current tax code? They can't run ANYTHING efficiently - see Fannie, Freddie, Soc Sec, Dep of Ed, HUD, Transportation, etc, etc, etc.

I don't see how nationalized healthcare solves the root problems. I see it only creating new ones.

if lesser countries have implemented national health care , why is it such a a problem and fear for us.

I will agree there is a concern given the federal government inability to manage other areas

there needs to be better regulation and accountability in government oversight of financial , health care and immigration - I'd rather have our tax dollars spent on that than the latest billion dollar military toy!
 
if lesser countries have implemented national health care , why is it such a a problem and fear for us.

I will agree there is a concern given the federal government inability to manage other areas

there needs to be better regulation and accountability in government oversight of financial , health care and immigration - I'd rather have our tax dollars spent on that than the latest billion dollar military toy!

Well gosh, from my experience, and it's vast in dealing with people from those other countries you speak of; one of the main reasons those countries are "lesser" as you say is because of their own health care which is ran by their own government. They always speak highly of the USA and it's health care system and stress that's probably what's sets us apart from them..... their government is too damn big and they live strictly under it while our government is FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE..... or so it use to be anyway.

This seems to me to be a big fat Duh?

I'd appreciate the poster above to refrain from misspelling my name. How many times do I have to tell you this?? Aren't you a smart liberal? Smart people should know these things. I'm just a dumb conservative and I can at least read. Stop misspelling my name please.
 
they're "lesser" in that they have lower death rates and higher life expectancies....
 
one of the main reasons those countries are "lesser" as you say is because of their own health care which is ran by their own government. They always speak highly of the USA and it's health care system and stress that's probably what's sets us apart from them..... their government is too damn big and they live strictly under it while our government is FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE..... or so it use to be anyway.

They aren't "lesser" because of the way they run their health care. No one outside of the US will applaud the uneven and inefficient way health care is provided and regulated in our country.

You don't see seniors from Mexico and canada scurrying into our country to avoid getting gouged by high prescription meds costs in their country

and if you wrap your self in your virtual flag and make dumbshit statements like "our government is FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE..... or so it use to be anyway" you deserved to be virtually bitch slapped

but atleast you can admit "I'm just a dumb conservative and I can at least read." . aim high there sport!
 
Well gosh, from my experience, and it's vast in dealing with people from those other countries you speak of; one of the main reasons those countries are "lesser" as you say is because of their own health care which is ran by their own government. They always speak highly of the USA and it's health care system and stress that's probably what's sets us apart from them..... their government is too damn big and they live strictly under it while our government is FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE..... or so it use to be anyway.

This seems to me to be a big fat Duh?

I'd appreciate the poster above to refrain from misspelling my name. How many times do I have to tell you this?? Aren't you a smart liberal? Smart people should know these things. I'm just a dumb conservative and I can at least read. Stop misspelling my name please.

I knew one day I would agree with you on something.
 
they're "lesser" in that they have lower death rates and higher life expectancies....

Didn't we cover this? We are the fattest nation on the planet...by a long shot. So they are "lesser" because they aren't as fat.
 
I knew one day I would agree with you on something.

The problem I have with some liberals in here is the fact I tell them to spell my correct member name a few times. If I wish to call myself dumb and stupid, I'll do it myself. I don't want or need you all doing it for me. Kind of ironic how those supporting bigger government are the same who agree I'm just a dumb conservative. Obama has a history calling others dumb and looking down on others. It fits.
 

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