Uninsured's leave $49 billion in unpaid hospital bills

[cavman]

Nope, what you call underfunding I call more making more efficient. Cut out the waste and fraud and most agencies have more than enough to run fine. These agencies are like crack addicts, they just keep coming back for more and more. If you don't give it to them, people like you say we hate the kids, elderly, poor, etc. Everyone and every agency has to make sacrifices. If they need more money it's time to find it from within.
14.3 trillion defecit can't keep going up.

We all have to live within budgets at our businesses and our homes, it's not too much to ask that the government does the same. They can't just keep asking for more. I know, I know, I know, "but Bush and republicans caused the deficit". I dont give a damn who caused it anymore, all I know is now we got it. We need trillions in cuts to get out of this jam. I'm more than happy to pay more if Obama asks, BUT ONLY if he makes major sacrifices too.

12M illegals. 77 Welfare programs. $300M in food stamp fraud. $500M to first time home buyers that weren't...some were prison inmates. The list goes on and on and on and on of taxpayer dollars wasted. Do they correct the problem? No, they are "underfunded", they 'll just ask for more. It's bullshit really.

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Here's the govt waste report that there has been no action on at all -
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11318sp.pdf

I understand where you're coming from, there is a lot of waste.

What sucks though is just today Medicaid denied my request for repairs for my wheelchair, and Invacare wants to charge me 1200 dollars to fix it. I was told medicaid changed it's rules for wheelchairs in January 2011. I'm glad my being mobile is considered waste to Ohio. I know me getting my wheelchair fixed would not upset you, or really any tax payers, but yet year after year I'm hurting more and more all in the name of a balanced budget.

 

[The Voice]

Nope, what you call underfunding I call more making more efficient. Cut out the waste and fraud and most agencies have more than enough to run fine. These agencies are like crack addicts, they just keep coming back for more and more. If you don't give it to them, people like you say we hate the kids, elderly, poor, etc. Everyone and every agency has to make sacrifices. If they need more money it's time to find it from within.
14.3 trillion defecit can't keep going up.

We all have to live within budgets at our businesses and our homes, it's not too much to ask that the government does the same. They can't just keep asking for more. I know, I know, I know, "but Bush and republicans caused the deficit". I dont give a damn who caused it anymore, all I know is now we got it. We need trillions in cuts to get out of this jam. I'm more than happy to pay more if Obama asks, BUT ONLY if he makes major sacrifices too.

12M illegals. 77 Welfare programs. $300M in food stamp fraud. $500M to first time home buyers that weren't...some were prison inmates. The list goes on and on and on and on of taxpayer dollars wasted. Do they correct the problem? No, they are "underfunded", they 'll just ask for more. It's bullshit really.

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Here's the govt waste report that there has been no action on at all -
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11318sp.pdf

We could cut spending by pulling out or Iraq and Afghanistan. We could stop paying our politicians to investigate baseball or the NCAA's playoff system. You want the government to stop wasting money? The politicians that have done nothing, but increase the deficit can take a pay cut. They're clearly overpaid. Because their performance hasn't merited what they're being paid. Get rid of the amendment that increased their pay.

Yeah, there's plenty of wasteful spending in the government. There's also wasteful spending in privatized businesses. Look at AIG and their retreats. Look at Worldcom, Enron, and pretty much any corporate building. The artwork they buy, the water features, ect...

 

[SOA]

Originally Posted by CavsFanLA
if lesser countries have implemented national health care , why is it such a a problem and fear for us.

Maybe there's fear because we are 14 trillion in debt??

more fear mongering Max

when you can find an article tying projections in vast increases in national debt that to nationalized healthcare I will listen

until then you sound more like DougHeil's dealer

 

[SOA]

The problem I have with some liberals in here is the fact I tell them to spell my correct member name a few times. If I wish to call myself dumb and stupid, I'll do it myself. I don't want or need you all doing it for me. Kind of ironic how those supporting bigger government are the same who agree I'm just a dumb conservative. Obama has a history calling others dumb and looking down on others. It fits.

Doug my view is not that tough to understand if you get beyond labels of "liberal" and "big government"

many hold the view that I do that nationalized healthcare will actually bring down health care costs and provide better coverage. There are many who desperately want/need healthcare but don't have the means to get it. there are many who live in morbid fear getting sick will ruin their lives , not the illness but the cost.

why is this so hard to understand ?

 

[The Voice]

Doug my view is not that tough to understand if you get beyond labels of "liberal" and "big government"

many hold the view that I do that nationalized healthcare will actually bring down health care costs and provide better coverage. There are many who desperately want/need healthcare but don't have the means to get it. there are many who live in morbid fear getting sick will ruin their lives , not the illness but the cost.

why is this so hard to understand ?

What about the efficiency? Canadians have to be put on a waiting list.

 

[cavman]

What about the efficiency? Canadians have to be put on a waiting list.

here is a site that will give you an idea of wait times. http://waittimes.alberta.ca/

 

[KI4MVP]

What about the efficiency? Canadians have to be put on a waiting list.

1 - the US system isn't the same as the canadian system
2 - canada isn't the only country with universal healthcare
3 - why do people pretend there are no wait times in the US? I have to wait to see my primary care physician. I have to wait when either me or my kids are referred to a specialist. We just don't call it a "waiting list", we call it an appointment in the future.

As for what canadians think of their healthcare, there's this

Officially brought in on April 5, 2004, The Greatest Canadian was a television program series by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) to determine who is considered to be the greatest Canadian of all time, at least among those who watched and participated in the program. The project was inspired by the BBC series Great Britons.
Radio-Canada, the CBC's French-language arm, was not involved in The Greatest Canadian project, reducing the input of Canada's French-Canadian minority over the results. The CBC did make its Web site available in French, however.
The "Greatest Canadian" was not decided by a simple popular poll, but was instead chosen through a two-step voting process.
On October 17, 2004 the CBC aired the first part of The Greatest Canadian television series. In it, the bottom 40 of the top 50 "greatest" choices were revealed, in order of popularity, determined by polls conducted by E-mail, Web site, telephone, and letter. To prevent bias during the second round of voting, the top ten nominees were presented alphabetically rather than by order of first round popularity.
This second vote was accompanied by a series of documentaries, where 10 Canadian celebrities acting as advocates each presented their case for The Greatest Canadian. Voting concluded on November 28 at midnight and the following evening, November 29, the winner was revealed to be Tommy Douglas.

So who is Tommy Douglas? he's the guy who "introduced single-payer health care to Canada" And why did he do that?

Tommy Douglas was born in Falkirk, Scotland, in 1904, the son of Annie (née Clement) and Thomas Douglas, an iron moulder who fought in the Boer War.[1] In 1910, his family immigrated to Canada, where they settled in Winnipeg. Just before he left Scotland, Douglas fell and injured his right knee. Osteomyelitis set in and he underwent a number of operations in Scotland in an attempt to cure the condition. Later however, in Winnipeg, the osteomyelitis flared up again and Douglas was sent to hospital. Doctors there told his parents his leg would have to be amputated. Fortunately, a well-known orthopedic surgeon took an interest in his case and agreed to treat the boy for free if his parents would allow medical students to observe. After several operations, Douglas's leg was saved. This experience convinced him that health care should be free to all. "I felt that no boy should have to depend either for his leg or his life upon the ability of his parents to raise enough money to bring a first-class surgeon to his bedside", Douglas told an interviewer many years later.

 

[KI4MVP]

here is a site that will give you an idea of wait times. http://waittimes.alberta.ca/

how long is the wait for the 60 million uninsured americans to get these same procedures? How many need to somehow save up $100,000 before they are even put on a waiting list?

 

[SOA]

Canadians idolize the person who brought them universal healthcare

Certain Americans want to crucify those wanting to do the same here

Sad . . . Just sad

 

[Coyote]

Illegal Immigration Healthcare Costs Affect YOU!

Posted on June 1, 2010 by admin


By Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

Blah, blah, blah, second-hand sources, obscure organizations, small sample size, etc.

It is significant that the 4 states with the highest number of uninsured patients are the southern Border States that also have the highest burden of illegal immigrants: California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

That quote is just one indication of how much in that article skews the argument. The four states with the highest number of uninsured patients are:
1. Texas
2. Mississippi
3. Louisiana
4. Montana
5. California

New Mexico and Arizona aren't even in the top 10.

However, Mississippi, Louisiana and Montana are in the top 10 of poorest states.

Hmm.

 

[Coyote]

1 - the US system isn't the same as the canadian system
2 - canada isn't the only country with universal healthcare
3 - why do people pretend there are no wait times in the US? I have to wait to see my primary care physician. I have to wait when either me or my kids are referred to a specialist. We just don't call it a "waiting list", we call it an appointment in the future.

As for what canadians think of their healthcare, there's this



So who is Tommy Douglas? he's the guy who "introduced single-payer health care to Canada" And why did he do that?

More about those myths about Canadian health care here.

And yeah, no such thing as wait times here in the US! My girlfriend made her appointment to see a gastroenterologist specialist two months ago. Her appointment is next month. Nothing to improve on there!

What gets me--really, and truly just boggles my mind--is that some expect the same for-profit industry which denies, cuts, and raises the price of coverage for SICK PEOPLE to magically make an about-face. Who else is going to make this happen but the government? Especially when the insurance company way of doing things is the only game in town.

I don't blame businesses for trying to make as much money as possible. That's what a business is for. Anything else--anything--comes second. Government is there to indeed make sure that it is by and for the people, and in this case, join the rest of modern civilization in recognizing that health care should be of as much equal access is humanly possible.

On another note, people overseas in many countries envy the training and generally high standard of care even the average doctor can provide. They are not envious of our low waiting periods (?) or how affordable it is. I know rich people fly into the Cleveland Clinic to be treated. Me, I couldn't step foot in the place without spiraling myself into debt.

 

[DougHeil]

LOL Just wow. What amazes me is the number of members in here who want/love the idea of having a much bigger brother who rules your lives, and everything about your lives.

If you all think your opinions are a majority of the country's opinions in wanting MORE government, you are sadly mistaken. They aren't. Not. Close.

 

[The Voice]

Canadians idolize the person who brought them universal healthcare

Certain Americans want to crucify those wanting to do the same here

Sad . . . Just sad

That statement couldn't be anymore false. If they all loved the system then they wouldn't have private insurance up there.

1 - the US system isn't the same as the canadian system
2 - canada isn't the only country with universal healthcare
3 - why do people pretend there are no wait times in the US? I have to wait to see my primary care physician. I have to wait when either me or my kids are referred to a specialist. We just don't call it a "waiting list", we call it an appointment in the future.

1- The wait times in the US are a lot shorter than those in Canada. How long do you seriously wait to see your MD? Like a day or two?
2- You have to wait to be referred to specialist, which pretty much takes one Dr. Visit.
3- The waiting list is a lot longer than the appointment in the future.

 

[KI4MVP]

^^ they named him the greatest canadian ever, see my earlier post

 

[The Voice]

^^ they named him the greatest canadian ever, see my earlier post

Yeah and I bet if Fox News did a poll on the greatest President ever you wouldn't find a Democrat. I've met several Canadians that don't like the system.

What's the funniest thing is you're opposed to getting taxes raised, while Canadians pay very high taxes for this system.

80% of Canadians are satisfied with the system.

While most Canadians - 80 per cent according to Statistics Canada - are satisfied with their access to the health care system, many experience long waits to see a specialist, get diagnostic tests and undergo elective surgery. Others find themselves facing huge bills for prescription drugs they need to survive.

A long wait for hip replacement surgery was what prompted the Quebec case that wound up before the Supreme Court.

George Zeliotis argued his yearlong wait for surgery was unreasonable, endangered his life, and infringed on the charter's guarantee of the right to life, liberty and security. The second plaintiff, Dr. Jacques Chaoulli, wanted the court to overturn a Quebec provision preventing doctors who don't operate within the medicare plan from charging for services in public hospitals.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/