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Union Kills the Twinkie

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Pure hot garbage!!! People eat healthier??? Are you fricking kidding me? Our obesity rate has never been higher!

Hostess's biggest rival, Little Debbie, makes the same unhealthy crappy products...they've been profitable every year since 1960!! They are non-union. The crappy outdated union leaders are the reason 18,500 people from Hostess don't have jobs today. Simple economics is that the non-union company will be in better financial shape than the company being held hostage by a union every time.

Hostess made Twinkies...Little Debbie makes these -
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Hostess made Ho-Ho's...Little Debbie makes these -
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Little Debbie has been profitable every single year since 1960.
Hostess just closed it's doors.

Little Debbie also makes:
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All these products are better then what Hostess had to offer.
 
Just looking at those pictures makes my blood sugar go up.
 
One other thing to mention is the fact Little Debbie sold its products cheaper than hostess, yet was able to remain more profitable because they don't deal with unions.
 
That's what unions do. The operators started bitching that the machines were too fast, that they were afraid to operate them, that they were dangerous and that they couldn't keep up. Keep in mind, they only had to work every 45 minutes unloading a finished part and loading a new peice of material...the rest of the time the operator sat and did nothing. Anyhow, the union wanted me to supply an engineer for 30 days to get the operators "comfortable" with the machines.

We have counterfeit detectors for cash at our ticket counter and in our accounting offices. After getting a few fake $100 bills in a month, I asked the woman who took an obviously fake laserjet photocopied $100 bill (1/8" shorter on each side, no hologram, no color-shifting ink) if she tested it on the machine. She said no, she didn't know how. The machine is a 4"x8" box that has an UV light that highlights the magnetic strip, or you can pass it over a sensor that "squeaks" when it runs over the strip.

I showed her how to put the bill under the UV light. I also showed her identifying marks on each denomination of bill, and forwarded the secret service tips to identify counterfeit bills to each employee. In 20 years of working, she said she never physically checked to see if the cash was counterfeit. She then had her union rep come over and suggest "someone to come down for 5 days" to instruct employees how to use the machine and show them how to determine if the money was real. At first I thought he was joking (he is actually a pretty decent shop steward usually and we get along well), but then realized he was serious. All I could say was "I'll check on it" and went back into my office.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/hostess-liquidation-curious-cast-characters-twinkie-tumbles

So is the evil greedy hedge fund still evil and greedy when it is run by a Democrat?

And here comes the Hostess twist: because Tim Collins of Ripplewood, was a prominent Democrat, a position which allowed him to get involved in the first bankruptcy process in the first place, due to his proximity with the Teamsters' long-term heartthrob Dick Gephardt (whose consulting group just happens to also be an equity owner of Hostess).
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-16/hostess-liquidation-curious-cast-characters-twinkie-tumbles

So is the evil greedy hedge fund still evil and greedy when it is run by a Democrat?

thats not the hedge fund . Gephardt also has burned the Teamsters and other union on several matters since then. Greed has no political party in my opinion.

the pe firm ripplewood wasnt even the group the teamsters preferred.


Ripplewood is run by Tim Collins, 55, who's been at the center of other famed PE transactions. Known as a brilliant capitalist-philanthropist-networker, he's an eclectic character: a Democrat in an industry of Republicans; an Adirondack enthusiast dreaded by pheasant and fish; a board member at the Yale divinity and business schools; and someone who took a year at 31 to work at a refugee camp in the Sudan. Ripplewood orchestrated the $1.1 billion turnaround in 2000 of the Long-Term Credit Bank of Japan, which marked the first time that foreign interests controlled a Japanese bank. (Collins made the cover of Fortune Asia for it.) The bank was renamed Shinsei, and in 2004 it had a lucrative initial public stock offering. Far less fortunately, in 2007 Ripplewood acquired Reader's Digest -- and saw its $275 million investment vanish in Reader's Digest's bankruptcy filing in 2009. (Collins reportedly had visions of merging Reader's Digest with the magazine division of Time Warner (TWX), which owns Fortune.)

Ripplewood's foray into Hostess was partly enabled by Collins's connections in the Democratic Party. He wanted to explore deals with union-involved companies and sought the help of former congressman Gephardt, who in 2005 founded the Gephardt Group, an Atlanta consulting firm that provides "labor advisory services." In his 2004 presidential bid, Gephardt -- whose father was a Teamsters milk truck driver -- was endorsed by 21 of the largest U.S. labor unions; in 2003, Collins was one of 19 "founding members" of Gephardt's New York State leadership committee. (Today, Ripplewood and Hostess are listed online as major clients of Gephardt's consulting group, which is also an equity owner of Hostess.) Back when Hostess was coming out of the first bankruptcy, Gephardt's credibility with both Ripplewood and the Teamsters gave them each a little more room to break bread.
During this first bankruptcy, Hostess was almost sold. In 2007 it warded off a $580 million bid from its biggest competitor, Bimbo Bakeries USA. Bimbo Bakeries USA is part of Grupo Bimbo, the Mexican baking giant that owns such brands as Sara Lee, Entenmann's, Freihofer's, Arnold, Boboli, Ball Park Buns, and Thomas' English Muffins. Joining Bimbo in the bid were the union-friendly investment arm of supermarket titan Ron Burkle and the Teamsters themselves.
Hostess was able to exit bankruptcy in 2009 for three reasons. The first was Ripplewood's equity infusion of $130 million in return for control of the company (it currently owns about two-thirds of the equity). The second reason: substantial concessions by the two big unions. Annual labor cost savings to the company were about $110 million; thousands of union members lost their jobs. The third reason: Lenders agreed to stay in the game rather than drive Hostess into liquidation and take whatever pieces were left. The key lenders were Silver Point and Monarch. Both are hedge funds that specialize in investing in distressed companies -- whether you call them saviors or vultures depends on whether you're getting fed or getting eaten.
Based in Greenwich, Conn., Silver Point was founded in 2002 and has approximately $6.5 billion under management; its two co-founders are 49-year-old Edward Mulé and 47-year-old Robert O'Shea, both former Goldman Sachs (GS) partners. Silver Point helped bail out Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Delphi, CIT Group, and various TV stations. Monarch, based in Manhattan, was created in 2008 as a spinoff from the Quadrangle Group. It reportedly has more than $3 billion under management; among its three co-founders are 52-year-old Michael Weinstock and 48-yearold Andrew Herenstein, both formerly of Lazard. Monarch has invested in Eddie Bauer and the Texas Rangers. (In 2010, after Herenstein sent a letter to baseball teams warning them not to approve a sale of the Rangers "at a price below fair market value," the letter became public, and the Dallas Morning News ran this ominous blog headline: MONARCH ALTERNATIVE CAPITAL THREATENS BASEBALL.)
Silver Point and Monarch, along with about 20 other lenders, owned about $450 million of Hostess secured debt at the time of the bankruptcy filing in 2004, according to court records. Remarkably, though -- given that Hostess's financials are now supposed to be an open book in federal bankruptcy court -- it's unclear how much the lenders actually paid for those notes. But it's presumably less than face value. Opportunistic investors like Silver Point and Monarch commonly buy distressed debt at a considerable discount. Their strategy: Invest in fundamentally "good" companies that have "bad" capital structures brought about by overborrowing, bankruptcy, or other corporate stresses.
Neither the specific amount put up by each investor nor the percentage of the total debt is public record (In re Hostess Brands, Case No. 12-22052). So it's impossible to know for sure how much "skin in the game" the creditors have. But according to sources with knowledge of Hostess's debt structure, Silver Point owns about 30% of the debt; Monarch, also about 30%; and the other lenders combined own the remaining 40%. Clearly, it was Silver Point and Monarch, along with Ripplewood, that had the biggest bets going forward.



 
So this basically comes down to poor management at the top of the company and vicious, greedy union leaders.

Seems like a recipe for a lot of companies that go out of business.

Isn't that how capitalism works? Weak, poorly managed companies eventually fall by the way side.
 
Hey guys is there a way to post pics from an iPhone. My father in law brought trays of shit from hostess. Today was his last day.
 
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Yummy.
 
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Yummy.

Oh come on, tell us what your first thought really was. I'm not drunk enough to be that mean yet.
 
Well obviously I was referring to you being happy that 18,000 people lost their jobs just so you could buy cupcakes in bulk. You're a real ass Ogij.

:chuckles:

No, the snacks just looked good. Last time we'll probably see that much of them together at the same time. I'd go out and buy some, but shit's already off the shelves.
 

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