Kareem Hunt: One Pissed Off Runner!

[Triple-S]

Not totally related.... But not super happy about joke posts being deleted in this thread. My Twitter feed does well enough to have jokes taken down by over-sensitive people

major reason I didn't wanna sign this dude.

This entire thing has been a fucking headache.

Saw takes ranging from Daryl Ruiter getting on a soapbox discussing some legit trauma he experienced to rando NFL writers going "But kaepernick can't get signed.

 

[buzzdog]

Let's call it like it is - Kareem Hunt attacked a woman. If it makes one feel better to say, "Well he didn't hurt her that bad", I guess do what makes you feel better. But if we're keeping it real, there are some - I'd even say many - that don't care that he attacked a woman as long as he helps win football games. I don't agree with that mindset, but to each their own. But to those people I'd say this - just own it - enough with the "I just think he deserves a 2nd chance!" and the "but what did she do first?" or the "it's not as bad as (insert other deadbeat athlete)" or my personal favorite, "He wasn't even charged!" Just own that winning games is priority #1 to you and that you don't really care how they get there. I won't agree with you, but I'll at least respect your honesty.

Ehh... Bullshit. What are you saying? That he should never get another chance to redeem himself? Should he be banned from the NFL for life? Is that your position if you're being "honest"? If that's your position then I don't respect it, and I "honestly" disagree. And IDGAF if you respect that or not, that is a two way street.

My post above explains some of my thoughts on the matter. It was a drunken fiasco and in my lifetime I've seen way worse. Hell, I recall worse brawls involving both sexes at high school parties and others in bars where everyone ended up just going their own ways afterwards. For the record I think those people were drunken assholes and I usually stayed clear, those things blow up quickly and they blow over quickly just like this incident.

Domestic violence and violence against women is truly despicable and horrific, but this doesn't fall into that category. This was a bunch of drunken and immature people acting like total assholes, with plenty of blame to go around. Clearly people who lose control should stay away from alcohol and that includes Hunt and the girl.

Clearly Hunt has to completely put an end to anything remotely resembling this type of behavior moving forward. He's on strike 2 and totally under the microscope.

 

[DirtyDan]

I am also curious about the timing.

We can debate all we want about what an appropriate punishment is. But why sign him now? Were other teams on the verge of signing him? Why not wait and see if he can stay trouble free longer than 3 months before you sign him?

Even if you think this is a great move, why do it now?

I would venture a guess that Dorsey has more insight on Kareem than anyone outside of Kansas City. He's leveraging his past experience and taking another chance on him when the rest of the league is more gun shy atm.

There's an opportunity cost if you wait.

 

[buzzdog]

I would venture a guess that Dorsey has more insight on Kareem than anyone outside of Kansas City. He's leveraging his past experience and taking another chance on him when other the rest of the league is more gun shy atm.

There's an opportunity cost if you wait.

The toughest part for Dorsey is definitely the PR hit, and the court of public opinion in the hyper sensitive me too era. I have no doubt that Dorsey will shit can this guy if he steps one toe over the line, and deservedly so. Hunt is on the thinnest ice and I don't blame any GM for not wanting any part of the whole situation. Dorsey is in the unique position of already having a long established relationship with Hunt so maybe he is more comfortable going out on a ledge for him.

 

[Lee]

The guy will play 4-6 games for the Browns, I don't think the cost or he changes the needle at all next year.

The reason I don't like it is, we are taking a PR hit for really doing a favor to a guy Dorsey is friends with. I don't like it, but I don't absolutely hate it either. I think if he cleans up his act, Hunt deserves a 2nd chance, most people deserve a 2nd chance, just wish it was a more important position for us.

 

[DirtyDan]

The toughest part for Dorsey is definitely the PR hit, and the court of public opinion in the hyper sensitive me too era. I have no doubt that Dorsey will shit can this guy if he steps one toe over the line, and deservedly so. Hunt is on the thinnest ice and I don't blame any GM for not wanting any part of the whole situation. Dorsey is in the unique position of already having a long established relationship with Hunt so maybe he is more comfortable going out on a ledge for him.

Dorsey demonstrated that with Gordon. He's not going to put up with that nonsense.

Dorsey is also in a pretty secure position in this organization. It's easier to make ballsy moves after drafting a franchise savior and putting together one of the most exciting seasons in god knows when.

If the Browns were ass last year, I don't know if Dorsey goes after Kareem or even survives the blacklash

 

[MattyFos.]

Not totally related.... But not super happy about joke posts being deleted in this thread. My Twitter feed does well enough to have jokes taken down by over-sensitive people

Welcome to 2019

 

[Randolphkeys]

Not totally related.... But not super happy about joke posts being deleted in this thread. My Twitter feed does well enough to have jokes taken down by over-sensitive people

Look, I will keep this very brief. Staff tries to appease both sides in times like these. We do a great job, in my opinion.

That said, criticizing moderation of RCF in this thread is BS. The joke was wildly insensitive. I don't believe, personally, you understand what it is like to be powerless in a situation of helplessness in assault. I felt it once, it sucks. You just want them to finish or for some Angel to come down and call off the attack. That said, when I was really in a different place mentally and physically, I personally dominated people in fights. I'm not proud of it. I have never been in that mental place again, because rehabilitation is a reality.

Maybe this whole Kareem Hunt debate touched a nerve with me, but I bet it will touch a HUGE nerve with anyone you guys bring it up with. Rep RCF in an evenhanded way, research. That's all I ask.

 

[CosmoKramer]

If Dorsey thinks he can keep Hunt in line we just added a 23-year-old elite RB for peanuts.

I don't need to tell anyone Pat Mahomes was amazing this year, but after Kareem Hunt was suspended after Week 11 Mahomes and the entire KC offense took a step back.

Before then the Chiefs' offense had been nearly unstoppable- 36.2 points a game while leading the AFC @ 9-2 with both losses coming on the road, by a field goal, to both the Super Bowl participants this year.

After losing Hunt they went 3-2 and didn't break 32 points apart from a couple wins against the Raiders.

I don't have NFLwowzy to empirically show Mahomes numbers with Hunt on the field as opposed to without, but the drop-off after the suspension was noticeable (per game numbers):

Mahomes (Week 1-11)
264-391 (67.2%), 329.8 PaYds, 3.4 PaTDs, 0.9 INTs, 9.3 YPA

Mahomes (Week 12-17)
119-189 (62.9 %), 293.8 PaYds, 2.6 PaTDs, 0.4 INTs, 7.8 YPA


The point I'm trying to make here- Kareem Hunt's versatility was a major component of Pat Mahomes making the leap into an MVP-level passer this year.

 

[Sticker114]

Look, I will keep this very brief. Staff tries to appease both sides in times like these. We do a great job, in my opinion.

That said, criticizing moderation of RCF in this thread is BS. The joke was wildly insensitive. I don't believe, personally, you understand what it is like to be powerless in a situation of helplessness in assault. I felt it once, it sucks. You just want them to finish or for some Angel to come down and call off the attack. That said, when I was really in a different place mentally and physically, I personally dominated people in fights. I'm not proud of it. I have never been in that mental place again, because rehabilitation is a reality.

Maybe this whole Kareem Hunt debate touched a nerve with me, but I bet it will touch a HUGE nerve with anyone you guys bring it up with. Rep RCF in an evenhanded way, research. That's all I ask.

I do believe you guys do a great job. And I promise you there was nothing deep about my post (most of them, for that matter). I really don't know what it's like to be in a situation like you describe. However, I disagree respectfully that it precludes me from making a specific joke about one specific person and one specific incident they were involved in. I completely accept the deletion of my post as part of belonging to the RCF community, but I think it's fair to state my case. Even if it's mildy petty

 

[sportscoach]

If Dorsey thinks he can keep Hunt in line we just added a 23-year-old elite RB for peanuts.

I don't need to tell anyone Pat Mahomes was amazing this year, but after Kareem Hunt was suspended after Week 11 Mahomes and the entire KC offense took a step back.

Before then the Chiefs' offense had been nearly unstoppable- 36.2 points a game while leading the AFC @ 9-2 with both losses coming on the road, by a field goal, to both the Super Bowl participants this year.

After losing Hunt they went 3-2 and didn't break 32 points apart from a couple wins against the Raiders.

I don't have NFLwowzy to empirically show Mahomes numbers with Hunt on the field as opposed to without, but the drop-off after the suspension was noticeable (per game numbers):

Mahomes (Week 1-11)
264-391 (67.2%), 329.8 PaYds, 3.4 PaTDs, 0.9 INTs, 9.3 YPA

Mahomes (Week 12-17)
119-189 (62.9 %), 293.8 PaYds, 2.6 PaTDs, 0.4 INTs, 7.8 YPA


The point I'm trying to make here- Kareem Hunt's versatility was a major component of Pat Mahomes making the leap into an MVP-level passer this year.

If he can keep himself clean and come back to form, with the fact we will add more talent to this roster around him as well, this really could be an awesome offense in the second half of the season next year.

This signing is a gamble at the end of the day, but in the long term, its rewards could easily out play its risks. I mean Callaway has had off the field issues, Hill of KC got in trouble for domestic violence in 14. Dorsey has a history of giving guys a second chance with these things and so far they seem to work in his favor.

When players produce and teams win, you stop hearing about all the issues. No one you hear of anymore talks about Hill's issue and most casual fans are like where did he come from then I tell them he was a day 3 pick cause he had off the field issues.

Hunt in 17 had what 1700 all purpose yards (not including the kick returns), like over 300 touches, 11 TDs combined and 1 lost fumble. in 18 in 11 games, 1100 all purpose yards, 14 TDs and no lost fumbles. This kid was a 3 star recruit who went to Toledo and got the chance to start in KC as a rookie and we even have control over his next season as well. He has been an amazing player overall since he came into the league and got a chance to start. He will likely return for us and with the fact we have Chubb, Johnson and Hunt, we will have the best RB crew in the second half in the NFL next season. Maybe not good for fantasy players, but hell for opposing DCs

 

[CleveRocks]

Of course it's a gamble, but it's one we've taken before.. Gordon did not work out, but it was worth a try, because had he figured it out, we might have made the playoffs, and the world might have one more functional human being..

Brantley didnt work out for us, but is still in the league rather than being a ruined person somewhere in florida..

I think you can take risks on people provided the boundaries are set and you stick to them, which Dorsey has demonstrated he will do. I think the rest of the team will understand this as well, because most people have been in situations where forgiveness makes a difference..

 

[UDcleveland]

This feels relevant here.

 

[shoes22]

I am also curious about the timing.

We can debate all we want about what an appropriate punishment is. But why sign him now? Were other teams on the verge of signing him? Why not wait and see if he can stay trouble free longer than 3 months before you sign him?

Even if you think this is a great move, why do it now?

Rappaport shines a little bit of light on this: View: https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1095037701903040516


This explains Hunt’s perspective, and for the Browns you can likely lock him up even cheaper right now while the investigation is ongoing as opposed to after the NFL concludes its investigation and hands down a punishment. They are reportedly close to doing so.

On both sides, there is also uncertainty whether the NFL will count his free agent status as time served towards his suspension or not, so being on a roster makes that process a lot more straightforward.

Keeping those things in mind...why not sign him right now? What’s the downside here, besides PR? I am sure Dorsey and the Browns have talked with Hunt extensively about a “zero-tolerance” policy before signing. So if like you said, he actually can’t stay out of trouble in the next few months, he’ll get cut, and it’ll be no real sweat off the Browns back.

 

[Urban]

Vee-Rex's 27-year old, pixie-cut hot wife said it isn't a big deal. Case-closed. Why are people still discussing Hunt?