What are the Cavs going to do at C?

[KeyzerSozee]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. MIA was able to start Anthony because they have 3 stars (2 of which are top 3 players in the league), an opportunity that the Cavs will never have. Chandler's value was at a career low because he had been banged up for both of the two previous years and that's the only reason why such a difference maker was able to be had for a fairly cheap price.

Noah is better than Varejao and given the state of this team, AV is not a long-term option at center. OKC had to pay a pretty decent price for Perk (Green sucks, LAC pick is decent tho), whose value was also fairly low because 1) he was due for a contract and 2) he was coming off of knee surgery.

Basically, in the 4 cases you point out: 1 was drafted, 1 was only able to happen bc of the talent around him, and 2 were acquired via fairly risky trades when the players value was low.

Anyway as far the OP goes, I have no idea. Free agency is a longshot because free agents don't come to Cleveland unless they are overpaid and Cs ALREADY get a premium added to their contracts because of their position. Trades are a longshot because again, Cs come at a premium because of their position and the Cavs don't really have the assets to acquire one. They are left with the draft which is somewhat of a longshot too because quality C prospects don't come every year and when they do, they are typically taken early.

That's why I think they'll come to regret passing on Jonas. C is not going to be an easy position to fill if they hope to contend.

Agreed. Also, as I stated all 4 of those teams had legit 4 guys without questions. Bosh, Boozer, Ibaka, and Dirk. With TT over Hickson you have to compliment things the other way. C is very important.

 

[KeyzerSozee]

Wait til 2013 draft class.

Who do you see in it? I looked through a lot of lists to get to the first post that started this. Maybe that's true- who is out there?

 

[Smooth]

Thanked for adding some insight to a topic people ignore. However, I have to disagree about the 2012 class. Drummond would be in that. It is actually stacked with Bigs, see the article I previously posted.

All the players in the article are 2012 HS graduates but will be eligible for the 2013 draft..

Drummond was rumored to be possibly enrolling in UCONN early and being eligible for the 2012 draft but he decided against it and will be a senior in HS...

 

[Rimage]

This is such a pointless question to address right now...there are only a handful of high-quality centers out there every year, and they often change from year to year. Chandler was not a highly-coveted until this year. Before that he was called injury-prone and one-dimensional. When we had a legit 7-footer on this team in Z, all most people did was complain, complain, complain...as we move forward filling out the roster at positions that we can actually do something about, the team can look for opportunities to put someone in place that can provide production at the 5. Right now, there is nothing we can do and even if we could most would complain, complain, complain that we weren't a contender yet and we are wasting our 7-foot centers years by not having a good team in place.

The only reason I can see in addressing this subject right now is to bitch about something, whether it be about passing up rail thin centers we know little to nothing about or lamenting the lack of quality centers in future, even though it is impossible to predict.

 

[KeyzerSozee]

All the players in the article are 2012 HS graduates but will be eligible for the 2013 draft..

Drummond was rumored to be possibly enrolling in UCONN early and being eligible for the 2012 draft but he decided against it and will be a senior in HS...

Really. So it has to do with that declaring and adding a year of eligibility rule? Well then I guess I entirely agree with your post and thank you for clearing that up.

 

[KeyzerSozee]

This is such a pointless question to address right now...there are only a handful of high-quality centers out there every year, and they often change from year to year. Chandler was not a highly-coveted until this year. Before that he was called injury-prone and one-dimensional. When we had a legit 7-footer on this team in Z, all most people did was complain, complain, complain...as we move forward filling out the roster at positions that we can actually do something about, the team can look for opportunities to put someone in place that can provide production at the 5. Right now, there is nothing we can do and even if we could most would complain, complain, complain that we weren't a contender yet and we are wasting our 7-foot centers years by not having a good team in place.

The only reason I can see in addressing this subject right now is to bitch about something, whether it be about passing up rail thin centers we know little to nothing about or lamenting the lack of quality centers in future, even though it is impossible to predict.

Depending on how you look at it, one can make any conversation or discussion arbitrary. I don't see how in a team sport where 1 move makes another position with questions that much more uncertain, ppl's insight isn't important?

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

This is why the TT pick upset me... Not so much because I think TT is a bad player or will be a bad player but because C is more important positionally and a lot harder to find...

The other thing that is very noticeable when looking at the 2012 & 2011 draft classes is that the strengths and weaknesses were the complete opposite of one another and if the Cavs played their cards right, they would be setting themselves up in a great position... The 2011 class was a strong center and point guard class while the wings and forwards were a bit weak... The 2012 class is a weak center and point guard class while it's excellent at the wing and forward positions... If the Cavs could have came away with Irving & a center that would be sitting in a lot better position then they currently are in my mind.. They're still in a position to grab a good wing player, that didn't matter either way, but taking a PF might hurt them... We'll see...

In addition to all of that: it's hard enough finding a good center but finding a center that compliments TT will be harder because TT possess the skill set of most centers... The centers that fit with TT are hard to come by and why I worry he might be relegated to a 3rd big man role which isn't bad but not what you fully expect at #4...

The 2012 class isn't going to producing any worthwhile centers, so it's likely the Cavs take a wing player and hope for Drummond in 2013...

Smooth said it all in this post. This is exactly why I dislike what has happened the past couple weeks.

It is going to be extremely tough to find a C that fits with Thompson. Really, you need a guy like Z (in his prime). Guys like that are tough to find. Thompson plays the same game as Varejao. If that is their plan at PF and C for the next 3-4 years, it is going to be very ugly watching this team try to score.

We made things much harder on ourselves IMO. We could have had our C. PF's are much easier to find. There are a TON of good PF's in the league. How many good C's are there? Not many. Trying to find a good C that fits with Thompson is going to be tough.

 

[KeyzerSozee]

Smooth said it all in this post. This is exactly why I dislike what has happened the past couple weeks.

It is going to be extremely tough to find a C that fits with Thompson. Really, you need a guy like Z (in his prime). Guys like that are tough to find. Thompson plays the same game as Varejao. If that is their plan at PF and C for the next 3-4 years, it is going to be very ugly watching this team try to score.

We made things much harder on ourselves IMO. We could have had our C. PF's are much easier to find. There are a TON of good PF's in the league. How many good C's are there? Not many. Trying to find a good C that fits with Thompson is going to be tough.

Yes. Starting to agree more. Previously I had been thinking similar to others in that his contract presented a problem but:

“I can confirm the buyout is in place,” Colangelo said a few hours after he looked on like a proud parent as Valanciunas was introduced to the Toronto media.

The 7-foot Lithuanian centre was brought to the Air Canada Centre straight from the NBA draft headquarters in Newark, N.J. The team presented him with his No. 17 jersey — the first genuine smile one onlooker said he had seen since the draftee arrived. The number is actually Valanciunas’ age when he signed his first pro contract.

So yes, if that reflects not doing due diligence and only a buy-out was the problem pretty terrible. Having a franchise PG and C to grow together is a pretty great start. Think of what Mike Conley and Oden did in the years and years they played together. Unless more info comes out, I am starting to question this as well.

 

[Rimage]

Depending on how you look at it, one can make any conversation or discussion arbitrary. I don't see how in a team sport where 1 move makes another position with questions that much more uncertain, ppl's insight isn't important?

My issue is the lack of quality about this subject. For example, the incessant whining about Jonas V. I'm fairly active in my "research" of players in college and going into the draft. I knew very little about this until a month ago. I tried to find what experts were saying, game tape, articles etc. There was just so little out there and it was all very ambiguous. I thought what I saw and read was fair and positive, but anyone who's been watch basketball for a few years knows there hardly any sure things and players surprising and disappointing is really the norm. So when I read these lamenting, emotional rants about Jonas over Thompson, and these ridiculous statements about what a player will become and what this player is and can't do....it just comes off as bitching for the sake of bitching. It's not informative. It's not insightful. And on top of that, it's about the most volatile position in the sport....I can't help but feel like it is shit.

There has been some helpful stuff even in the thread and I'm not saying shut it down and stop talking about it. I guess I just think if you don't really know and you just want to say "Well, this FO really fucked up not taking Jonas V!" and expect me to not know that statement is hot garbage...maybe you should just not post 50 times in ten days.

 

[kookoo]

I've always liked Nene and I wouldn't mind having him on this team.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

So yes, if that reflects not doing due diligence and only a buy-out was the problem pretty terrible. Having a franchise PG and C to grow together is a pretty great start. Think of what Mike Conley and Oden did in the years and years they played together. Unless more info comes out, I am starting to question this as well.

Still trying to figure out why people automatically assume that the Cavs had Jonas rated higher than TT and they only had an issue withe the buyout. They aren't going to draft a C just to take one if they have a higher rated player on the board. That'd be really dumb for a team in the Cavs position. Quite a few people seem to think the Cavs panicked and passed on a C they had rated higher than the guy they drafted when I can pretty much assure you that's not the case.

 

[Noonan]

So yes, if that reflects not doing due diligence and only a buy-out was the problem pretty terrible. Having a franchise PG and C to grow together is a pretty great start. Think of what Mike Conley and Oden did in the years and years they played together. Unless more info comes out, I am starting to question this as well.

The buy-out was looked into extensively. Jonas and his team never gave the Cavs a clear, definitive answer. It's reasonable to wonder whether he gave Toronto a different answer. It's not reasonable to wonder whether the Cavs did their due diligence.

The point about needing to find a complimentary center to TT is a good one. Unless TT develops a solid mid-range game, the Cavs will need to find a center who can stretch the floor a bit. But there's also nothing preventing the Cavs from taking Drummond (assuming they are positioned to do so) and having a pair of bruising, athletic bigs at their 4 and 5.

 

[Walter White]

Just keep it on. I don't think Avs makes as much sense.

 

[MoFlo]

As far as the #4 pick: Let's let him and the other rookies play a season or two before we evaluate them, maybe?

As far as the TPE: Did ANY team utilize their trade exceptions? No. Perhaps they weren't as valuable right now because teams are so unsure of what the new CBA will bring. And you don't use it just to use it, I doubt there was anything that good out there for it. Finally, it's possible we are granted the extension with it still.

As far as Hickson: The Cavs shopped him for SIX weeks, and this was the best offer. Obviously GM's around the league don't value him very much, and see the MANY flaws in his game that most of us fans see. It's a good thing we got the trade in before the lockout, cuz it's very possible that was our last chance to trade him before free agency. Casspi + mid-1st round pick (some time in the next 1-6 years) is better than letting him walk.

Don't waste your breath. No matter how many times you say this and/or use logic, they'll still come back with the same argument that "We gave up our best young player for a backup SF"; "We wasted the TPE, what a moron!"; and "Thompson won't sniff Jonas's jock".

It's gotten pretty ridiculous, as it's always the same exact sentences they'll respond with, they don't even put any thought into it anymore.

 

[WhoWeAre]

Isn't it obvious? Use the Kings 2017 first round pick...

Wow...this joke isn't getting old or anything. There are only two jokes that are more worn out: Wally ass slap jokes, and Khan jokes.