What are the Cavs going to do at C?

[Gimme Some Mo]

Don't waste your breath. No matter how many times you say this and/or use logic, they'll still come back with the same argument that "We gave up our best young player for a backup SF"; "We wasted the TPE, what a moron!"; and "Thompson won't sniff Jonas's jock".

It's gotten pretty ridiculous, as it's always the same exact sentences they'll respond with, they don't even put any thought into it anymore.

And all you do is bitch about those responses and continue to call things "ridiculous." You are just wasting space on the forum with your "same sentence posts." So carry on.....

*awaits enraged response that will undoubtedly crack me up*

 

[OptimusPrime]

And all you do is bitch about those responses and continue to call things "ridiculous." You are just wasting space on the forum. So carry on.....

*awaits enraged response that will undoubtedly crack me up*

Don't waste your breath. Grant can do no wrong.

 

[Rimage]

And all you do is bitch about those responses and continue to call things "ridiculous." You are just wasting space on the forum with your "same sentence posts." So carry on.....

*awaits enraged response that will undoubtedly crack me up*

I mean, at least his post is back up with evidence and experience. But back to the actual subject...Jonas V will be an all-star center in the league no doubt! I have see 10 minutes of highlights and a bunch of vague scouting reports on him and he can't miss! Can't miss!! I've been saying this for days but Grant is an idiot.

 

[czvo]

Don't waste your breath. Grant can do no wrong.

No one's saying that. It's just annoying to hear people complain before even seeing these guys play. At least give the moves some time before we regard them as failures.

 

[Rimage]

Don't waste your breath. Grant can do no wrong.

There are things Grant can be bagged on for...this just isn't one of them yet. Maybe it will be but at this point with what little everyone is going on, it's stupid.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

I mean, at least his post is back up with evidence and experience. But back to the actual subject...Jonas V will be an all-star center in the league no doubt! I have see 10 minutes of highlights and a bunch of vague scouting reports on him and he can't miss! Can't miss!! I've been saying this for days but Grant is an idiot.

Not sure if you are talking about me, but that is definitely not my views on Jonas. I stated multiple times I was iffy on him and wouldn't even be excited about him if we drafted him.

That doesn't mean I didn't want him over TT though. But I am not one of those people that say Jonas is the next great center. Really, I don't think many people at all are saying that, but some of you guys like to pretend they are just to make the TT pick sound better and the Jonas pick seem stupid.

My issue with the pick is an adequate C is much harder to find than a good PF. From what we know, most people had Jonas > Thompson or at the very least, they were very close. Obviously we don't know for sure. Nobody does. But since we can only go off what we do know and have heard, in this situation I take the C 100/100 times over the PF just because we may not have another opportunity to get a prospect at C as good as Jonas in who knows how long.

 

[MoFlo]

Don't waste your breath. Grant can do no wrong.

Show me where I said that. I'll be waiting....

And all you do is bitch about those responses and continue to call things "ridiculous." You are just wasting space on the forum with your "same sentence posts." So carry on.....

*awaits enraged response that will undoubtedly crack me up*

Go ahead & look at my posts before that one. I've tried to use logic & debate regularly, but the only responses I get are the ones I posted in my previous post. So, I gave up.

Did that crack you up enough?

 

[MoFlo]

Not sure if you are talking about me, but that is definitely not my views on Jonas. I stated multiple times I was iffy on him and wouldn't even be excited about him if we drafted him.

That doesn't mean I didn't want him over TT though. But I not one of those people that say Jonas is the next great center. Really, I don't think many people at all are saying that, but some of you guys like to pretend they are just to make the TT pick sound better and the Jonas pick seem stupid.

They're not saying that, but they're acting like he is. They're acting like we just passed up on the 2nd coming of Kareem, as somebody stated before.

I can understand if the guy was viewed closer to a 'can't miss prospect', but there's a reason this draft was considered Irving & Williams, then everybody else.

You can't just go by potential. Maybe they think they'll be able to mold Thompson better? Maybe they think he's more coachable? Maybe they were told Jonas would have to stay overseas longer than what was true (as an attempt to have Jonas fall to a certain team?)? Maybe the difference in talent level between TT & Jonas wasn't that big to justify losing out on a year of development with Jonas? Maybe they feel TT is the better fit long term? Maybe they felt Jonas would need more development time in the NBA on both ends than Thompson?

All I'm saying is you don't know why they went with TT, yet people in here are so quick to judge without even him playing a game. Plus, there's people, stating as fact that "we clearly took a guy who wasn't our #1 guy at the time." I don't recall you ever saying that, but there are people in here who were/are.

 

[Rimage]

Not sure if you are talking about me, but that is definitely not my views on Jonas. I stated multiple times I was iffy on him and wouldn't even be excited about him if we drafted him.

That doesn't mean I didn't want him over TT though. But I not one of those people that say Jonas is the next great center. Really, I don't think many people at all are saying that, but some of you guys like to pretend they are just to make the TT pick sound better and the Jonas pick seem stupid.

I honestly don't know what your views are on a lot of these issues exactly...I just blundered into this thread and was blasted with a cloud a uninformed posts.

I guess I just don't know why TT is being torn down when you look at him, his numbers, physical measurements etc in a draft that didn't have much in terms of any of those things. He simply wasn't Jonas or some other name that got said a lot before the draft and therefore is considered a bad pick by more than a few. He could be, but he seems more hit than miss.

Now, if Jonas was picked I wouldn't be up, I wouldn't be down...I would be clueless, so I would wait. But he wasn't picked so I don't care....but I keep reading sure opinions on a player that is irrelevant to me now as a Cavs fan. I can't figure why.

 

[RonG]

Aaron Gray opted out from NO as well. He isn't a franchise center but would fit well with the talent we have acquired and is an affordable stop gap to fill in behind Andy or for Andy when he is traded.

 

[wuck]

It would be nice if this thread got back to the original poster's question, rather than being a Jonas thread in disguise. Clearly, Jonas is one player least likely now to factor into the Cavs plans at center. Deal with it. What should the Cavs do? Status quo and wait until another draft or two comes around?

Edit: thanks RonG

 

[Silky Smooth]

I don't think C should be a huge concern as of right now. We have 2 6'11 guys in Andy and Erden and a 6'10 guy in Samuel's. That's enough size to play most centers in the league not named Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Eventually we'll have to find a good C. I hope the Clippers screw up with DeAndre Jordan because I love that kid.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

On the topic. Andy is a good center amd he has plenty of size to play the position--once he adjusted to the spot he even played fantastic D on Dwight the one game here. We also really need to see what Erden can do.

My frustration with the draft is not that we picked TT over Jonas, I am fine with that choice (even though multiple GM's had Jonas rates #1 on their entire draft board, I personally have no idea if he will be any good or not). It was our 2nd rounder, we could have taken a young project center, Jeremy Tyler, with tons of upside and we passed. "Maturity issues" can not be a valid reason. Most 18 year olds are not mature yet. This was a low risk, high reward chance and we passed.

 

[AMC]

Cole Aldrich seems like he could be a long term center if we could get him out of OKC where he is trapped on the bench.

If OKC still wants Boobie, I would start with him as an offer along with a pick from our collection.

 

[Rist77]

I guess this could also go in the 2012 draft thread…


I don't think that drafting TT should prevent the Cavs from taking another PF in the 2012 draft or any other future draft if he happens to be the BPA. BPA should still be a must.. While I'm not sure it happens, but Perry Jones could have a DW-like soph season or Anthony Davis could be the first player of his type in a while to actually live up to the hype (6'11 do-it-all SG in a PF's body). I still believe all our options are available and that the TT pick shouldn't hamstring us at anytime with future drafts picks.

Ideally it makes sense drafting a wing next year, but if one of those guys or another PF is the best player available by wide margin when we're drafting, I think we have to take him. Every good team needs at least a solid 3 big rotation, and having a talented scoring PF and TT as a backup 4-5 playing 30 mins a game, that would then make our center position a whole lot easier to fill. Enabling us to then get that defensive/rebounding but limited on offense C (FA, trade, Erden(?)) to make for a really good trio of bigs.