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What's your perfect offseason?

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Any trading for Kevin Love would piss me off. There is just absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that he stays and even less of a guarantee LeBron joins the Cavs if Love doesn't re-up. You are leaving far too much to chance to make that move. The ONLY way I'd consider that move is if Dion was if either Dion or an additional first were excluded from the trade. Even if LeBron promised the Cavs his return, I still wouldn't trust that trade.

If you want to attract LeBron, use the talent you have that will be somewhere near the top of the league as far as talented players in their fourth year or less.
 
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I just would not risk assets (#1's) for a player that cannot be counted on to resign. If it doesn't pan out then we are doomed for the future. I have been patient for several years now. I can wait one more year while a young group matures. If LBJ doesn't see a team here that he can win with then so be it. This team will be much improved next year and if he wants to come back he will. If he doesn't then I can see our team being a thorn in his side and eventually wearing him down in the next 4-5 years with tweaks along the way.
 
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Realistically

1. Trade Tristan
2. Trade Jarrett Jack for any future asset
3. Draft Embiid
4. Trade up for Adreian Payne with Jack/Thompson assets. If that fails, draft Cory Jefferson later.
5. Sign Sefalosha
6. Sign Wesley Johnson
7. Resign Miles
8. Keep cap-space for 2015 Lebron

Kyrie / Delly
Dion / Miles / Sefalosha
Sefalosha / Johnson / Miles
Bennett / Payne / Zeller
Embiid / Andy / Zeller

You're not going to plug every hole in one offseason, but I like these moves for several reasons. Adding Sefalosha and Johnson to Miles would be a relatively cheap upgrade on the wing. It provides the Cavs with cap-space and flexibility moving forward, as well as adding wing defenders, capable 3 pt shooters, and getting some more size and length at the 2/3. I like the versatility that the Cavs would have to play Miles / Thabo between the 2 and 3.

I think Payne is one of the most underrated players in the draft, as well as one of the best shooters in the draft. Adding him with Bennett at PF would create a seamless rotation up there. They both have the ability to stretch the floor and shoot the 3. You wouldn't have to adjust your offense between Payne and Bennett like you would with Bennett and Tristan. If you can't move up to get Payne, find a way to get Jefferson, who is less of a shooter, but an exceptional athlete...I think Jefferson alone is an upgrade over Thompson.

LeBron will be opting out this offseason, guaranteed.

He will be risking $80 million dollars if he gets a freak injury. He, nor Bosh, will do that. Wade will opt in.
 
My perfect offseason as of late is:

1. Trade TT, Dion, 2015 & 2016 1st round pick and Carrick to Minny for Kevin Love.

2. Trade AB & Jack for Thaddeus Young from Philly

3. Trade 2014 2nd rounder + future 1st rd pick (lottery protected) to HOU for Asik.

5. Draft Andrew Wiggins with 1st pick

4. Sign Kyrie to max, sign LeBron, and then bring on Coach Cal.

Kyrie/Wiggins/LBJ/Omer/Love
Delly/CJ/Sergey/Young/Andy

I think in your scenario #1 needs to be petitioning the Commissioner to raise the salary cap to about $80 million.
 
Griffin must swing a deal for a lottery pick next season with the run we're on. you know the other teams don't want to see us with another lottery pick next season..
 
My cap-ology skills suck but could't Cleveland do this.....

Renounce CJ, Deng, Hawes. I think all 3 are unlikely resignees anyway.

Trade #1, AB plus a few random pieces for Love. Love has a cap hit of 15.7 Million. AB is 5.6 so the Cavs lose 10.1 mil in that exchange.

That leaves Cleveland at 47.5 Million on a projected cap of 63.2 million or 15.7 available.

We can then renounce Gee and Hopson for an additional 5.7. That gets us to 21.4 million.

It would seem we can trade for Love AND sign a max free agent if we trade one of AB / TT in the package for Love (to off-set salary).

That would leave us at:

Starters:

PG - Kyrie
SG - Dion
SF - LeBron
PF - Love
C - Varejao

Bench:

PG - Jack
CPF - Zeller
PF - TT
SGF - Karasev
+ 3 ring chasers

I also think AV is a prime candidate to re-negotiate at a lower number in that scenario...to play on a championship level team.

All those other pieces are easy to move as well. Jack is signed to a reasonable deal and the young guys are all on team options in 2016.

Am I missing something here?

I have two huge concerns on that type of team though.....SG and C are REAAAAALY thin. Maybe that's shored up by vet players but we're an AV injury away from starting Zeller or TT at C on a team trying to win a title. Maybe that doesn't matter but carrying 3 max players gets tough really quick, as it pertains to depth. Kind of the same things Miami ran in to but it's a little tougher when Love and KI have had multiple injuries.

Am I nuts to think the team is better off with Wiggins or Embiid if LeBron is really committed to coming back? I think Love is a great player but finances on a team with a rookie instead of Love look incredible for depth purposes. It also gives you the flexibility to retain Kyrie and Wiggins long term, as LeBron rides off in to the sunset, Wiggins will be coming up for max money.

In that scenario (keep #1) you get much deeper as you can retain TT and AB with the salary difference or move one of them for a vet player at a position of need. Either scenario provides more depth. Love provides a little more stability and reassurance. Kind of a tough decision if a trade for Love could actually happen.
 
My cap-ology skills suck but could't Cleveland do this.....

Renounce CJ, Deng, Hawes. I think all 3 are unlikely resignees anyway.

Trade #1, AB plus a few random pieces for Love. Love has a cap hit of 15.7 Million. AB is 5.6 so the Cavs lose 10.1 mil in that exchange.

That leaves Cleveland at 47.5 Million on a projected cap of 63.2 million or 15.7 available.

We can then renounce Gee and Hopson for an additional 5.7. That gets us to 21.4 million.

It would seem we can trade for Love AND sign a max free agent if we trade one of AB / TT in the package for Love (to off-set salary).

That would leave us at:

Starters:

PG - Kyrie
SG - Dion
SF - LeBron
PF - Love
C - Varejao

Bench:

PG - Jack
CPF - Zeller
PF - TT
SGF - Karasev
+ 3 ring chasers

I also think AV is a prime candidate to re-negotiate at a lower number in that scenario...to play on a championship level team.

All those other pieces are easy to move as well. Jack is signed to a reasonable deal and the young guys are all on team options in 2016.

Am I missing something here?

I have two huge concerns on that type of team though.....SG and C are REAAAAALY thin. Maybe that's shored up by vet players but we're an AV injury away from starting Zeller or TT at C on a team trying to win a title. Maybe that doesn't matter but carrying 3 max players gets tough really quick, as it pertains to depth. Kind of the same things Miami ran in to but it's a little tougher when Love and KI have had multiple injuries.

Am I nuts to think the team is better off with Wiggins or Embiid if LeBron is really committed to coming back? I think Love is a great player but finances on a team with a rookie instead of Love look incredible for depth purposes. It also gives you the flexibility to retain Kyrie and Wiggins long term, as LeBron rides off in to the sunset, Wiggins will be coming up for max money.

In that scenario (keep #1) you get much deeper as you can retain TT and AB with the salary difference or move one of them for a vet player at a position of need. Either scenario provides more depth. Love provides a little more stability and reassurance. Kind of a tough decision if a trade for Love could actually happen
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no not at all. what many people forget when you compare Love vs having the number one pick are the finances. having an elite level talent on your team for 4 years who only makes ~5mio/yr is extremely valuable. if you ask me i would rather trade Bennett for a veteran PF like Millsap and keep the #1 pick. i might be in the minority with this but to me Millsap+#1 is more valuable than Kevin Love especially if Embiid is as good as advertised
 
no not at all. what many people forget when you compare Love vs having the number one pick are the finances. having an elite level talent on your team for 4 years who only makes ~5mio/yr is extremely valuable. if you ask me i would rather trade Bennett for a veteran PF like Millsap and keep the #1 pick. i might be in the minority with this but to me Millsap+#1 is more valuable than Kevin Love especially if Embiid is as good as advertised
fuck thank you.

all this 3 max player stuff is being suggested but nobody seems to acknowledge you'd have to completely dismantle the team within 4-5 years at best.

though there is no way bennett would net a player like millsap without significant incentives added on the cavs side. also re: millsap do not forget that he expires after this coming season.
 
My perfect off season would see us adding Marc Gasol and Martell Webster through reasonable trades. (Probably using some combination of TT, AV, JJ, and a Spencer Hawes sign and trade; and the Miami and Memphis picks.

Using our cap room to sign Pau Gasol, who has indicated at times that he would like to play with his brother.

Resign CJ Miles.

Trade #1 to Philadelphia for #3 and #10.

Draft whoever is left between Parker, Wiggins, and Embiid with #3 and McDermott with#10.

If Kyrie signs the max contract Cavs want, keep him.

If Kyrie doesn't sign the max contract we want, trade him to Orlando for #4, Oladipo, and Tobias Harris. Draft Exum with # 4. (I doubt that Orlando would really do this trade even if Kyrie extended with them, but all of this is fantasy anyway.)
 
i think an extremely fun lineup could be

kyrie
dion
martell webster
ryan anderson
embiid
 
Griffin must swing a deal for a lottery pick next season with the run we're on. you know the other teams don't want to see us with another lottery pick next season..

We may very well already have one in the Memphis pick(especially if Zach opts out). Of course, its top 5 protected, but if not traded could easily be 6-14. A lot of casual NBA fans though don't understand pick protection though and would freak out when they saw the Cavs in the lottery.
 
i think an extremely fun lineup could be

kyrie
dion
martell webster
ryan anderson
embiid

Ok. Thats better now that you're not trading Dion for Afflalo or Milsapp.:chuckles:

Love the shooting on that team but unfortunately the reason Ryan Anderson is easily gotten this offseason is because of concerns about his neck injury. Not sure he'd be worth it.

Martell Webster would be a good get the 9 man rotation. If Washington re-signs Ariza, they'll want to move Porter or Webster. But would they do a trade with a Cleveland team that is looking to pass them in ascension to the top of the EC?
 
Here is my "dream" offseason. Actually 3. Based around keeping the #1 pick and the three main candidates. All start with the Embiid plan so no one crucifies me. I will also omit LeBron from any of these plans because I think Miami will win another championship and he will either not opt out or will opt out and resign. Do not see him passing on the chance to 4peat, something never achieved by Bird, Magic, Shaq, Jordan, or Kobe.


The Embiid:

Hire Adrian Griffin as head coach. This changes the game for Deng who knows that with a true center and with a coach who knows him and knows how to utilize him in the cutting games the way Thibs did. Also makes Deng a better player than what we saw last year.

I re-sgn Deng at 3yrs, 39. I trade Tristan and Jarrett Jack for Thad Young. I trade Andy and Zeller to Orlando for Afflalo. I trade the #33 pick to Houston for Asik who does it because they are clearing out both Lin and Asik to make room to try and sign Melo.

Kyrie Delly
Dion Afflalo
Deng Karasev Felix
Thad Young Bennett
Embiid Asik

That team can score and defend. Since Embiid will probably get in a lot of foul trouble, there is a significant role for Asik. Lots of positional versatility. Dion is a SG who can occasionally play the point. Karasev can play Sf and SG. Thad Young primarily plays PF but can play SF in some matchups. No future 1st round picks were relinquished, leaving us plenty of Ammo for the trade deadline or just future picks to replenish the roster with.

The Parker:
-Trade Andy, Zeller, Dion, and Karasev + Memphis's pick back to them for Marc Gasol and Tony Allen
-Trade Tristan and Jack for Thad Young
-S&T Deng for the#14 pick from Phoenix(they are well under the cap and can absorb his deal plus re-sign Bledsoe). Use the pick to take Gary Harris or James Young
-Trade the #33 pick for Asik. Houston trades both Asik and Lin into under the cap teams that can absorb them to create room to sign Melo

Kyrie Delly
Tony Allen Miles
Parker Felix
Young Bennett
Gasol Asik


The Wiggins
Trade Andy, Bennett, Zeller, the Miami pick and the Memphis pick returned for Gasol.
Sign Pau Gasol. 2 years, 20 million
S&T Deng to Phoenix for picks 18 and 27
Trade pick #33 to Houston for Asik.

Kyrie Delly
Dion Miles
Wiggins Karasev
Gasol Tristan
Gasol Asik
+ picks 18 and 27
 
OK. Just for fun here's the true "perfect" offseason in that it could never happen. Keep Kyrie. Draft Embiid. Trade for Love. Sign Love. Pretty much to zeitgeist. And would never happen.

(and I would never post this in Cavs Talk or any other subforum than this one)

S&T Deng for future protected #1 from Suns
Renounce Hawes
Trade Andy, Bennett, Dion, Karasev, Miami Pick, Memphis pick, 2016 Cavs pick for Love and Martin

Kyrie Delly
Martin
Lebron Felix
Love Tristan
Embiid Zeller

That takes us right up to the salary cap and we use whatever mid level or room mid level exception we get to bring in another player. We become a destination for vets the way Miami did post 2010. We have LeBron in his prime and Love, Kyrie and Embiid, none of whom are currently older than 26

Everyones brains explode. Dream a little dream.
 

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