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Who deserves the blame for the still weak offense?

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Who deserves the blame for the weak offense?

  • Kryie - Does he know that this is a team sport?

    Votes: 24 19.7%
  • Dion - Sticky hands hurt the team when you can't finish at the hoop

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Lebron - Is this what a 30 year old Lebron looks like?

    Votes: 14 11.5%
  • Blatt - The coach isn't getting the players to execute

    Votes: 12 9.8%
  • Chemistry - The guys are fine, they just need time

    Votes: 71 58.2%

  • Total voters
    122
  • Poll closed .
Lots of blame to go around.

If Love makes one of the open threes he missed versus Utah, where he went 2-10 in shooting, and played better defense, we win. He was also only 5-17 versus Chicago.

It seems like when Love is hot (one game thus far), the offense gets going as the opposing team has to bring defenders out to Love, which opens the lane for LeBron, Kyrie and Dion. A hot Love makes up for his lack of defense; a cold Love is a double whammy: no offense, no defense.

I also blame Kyrie for not getting the ball to Love down by the basket. Love already said getting those shots helps open up his outside game.

Most of all, I blame the silly weight loss. Love can't bang like he once did and LeBron is getting pushed around. What happened to the tank that was LeBron?

Here's to Love getting more touched down low and getting hot outside tonight.

How about we run a play like other teams do?

How about Miller starting to shoot and Marion not taking some of those crazy shots.

How about a win tonight so we can stop posting here?
 
Here's to Love getting more touched down low and getting hot outside tonight.

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What about the bench? According to Doug Collins the Cavs have the worst scoring bench in the entire league through the first 5 games. Yet ive seen nothing but praise for them on these boards for some odd reason. It does look a bit better with Waiters as the 6th man though.
 
What about the bench? According to Doug Collins the Cavs have the worst scoring bench in the entire league through the first 5 games. Yet ive seen nothing but praise for them on these boards for some odd reason. It does look a bit better with Waiters as the 6th man though.

Then again, with three above average scorers in the lineup, that does kinda happen.

This link: (http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/15/7/pts/7-1) will show that the best. And on the topic of bench, Miami had worst 5 in the league from 2010-2014. I wonder why...
 
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...ature-clearing-up-some-big-picture-questions/

The stickiness of their offense ... is a humbling reminder of how difficult it is to construct a modern, go-go NBA system.
...
Cleveland isn’t there yet. No team has finished more possessions via isolation plays, per Synergy, and the Cavs are dead last in total assist chances.1 They’re using post-ups too often as vehicles for a shot, rather than as a way to draw help and whip the ball around.

In Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, Cleveland has two guys who have spent their basketball lives either dribbling the ball or waiting to get it back so they can start dribbling again. It is their learned instinct to hold the ball when they catch it after a nice passing sequence, as Waiters does here in torpedoing a promising curl play ...

They have never been in an environment where they’ve had to catch the ball against a defense tilted away from them and then instantly do something with it — drive, pass, or shoot.
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They’ll end up with one of the league’s two or three best offenses, but the journey there might be more ragged than anticipated.
 
There's something happening that I am having difficulty understanding. Teams are clearly taking the 3 point shot away from us by aggressively playing on the wing and not giving shooters space. That is what is giving Love and Miller difficulty in finding open looks. How/why are we not taking advantage of this? It seems like a scenario that coaches would want because it opens up the middle of the floor for penetrating and kicking or for getting a passing big man room on the elbow. This is basic stuff that Blatt should be attacking.

We should be moving and cutting when teams play us like this. Instead we are standing around and relying on iso ball. Strange.
 
There's something happening that I am having difficulty understanding. Teams are clearly taking the 3 point shot away from us by aggressively playing on the wing and not giving shooters space. That is what is giving Love and Miller difficulty in finding open looks. How/why are we not taking advantage of this? It seems like a scenario that coaches would want because it opens up the middle of the floor for penetrating and kicking or for getting a passing big man room on the elbow. This is basic stuff that Blatt should be attacking.

We should be moving and cutting when teams play us like this. Instead we are standing around and relying on iso ball. Strange.


The team is scoring in the paint pretty well. Kyrie, LeBron, and Andy especially. Tristan had a big interior scoring night.

I do feel like maybe only Andy and Kyrie are really good at this right now. Guys deff need to be cutting aggressively.
 
So i found some information about how much all of are players pass

NBA.com/stats has player tracking and it can tell you how many passes a player averages a game

I changed it to Per/36 so minutes wouldnt be to big of a distraction

so passes per 36 minutes

Love - 57.3
Kyrie - 56.7
LeBron - 54.4
Dellavedova - 50.1
Varejao -41.6
Marion -37.7
Miller - 34.5
Thompson - 30.0
Harris - 27.7
Waiters -26.5

Now some waiters supporters may point out that this favors people who have the ball in their hand and that its not how much passes he makes it how many passes he makes per times he has the ball and because we have that info id figured i would try to find it ...

Passes per touches ratio

So i get something like this passes/touches = % of the time he touches the ball he passes

Love 57.3 / 78.0 = 71.6 %
Irving 56.7 / 79.7 = 71.3 %
LeBron 54.4 / 79.1 = 68.7 %
Dellavedova 50.1 / 61.9 = 80.9 %
Varejao 41.6 / 57.3 = 72.6 %
Marion 37.7 / 47.4 = 79.5 %
Miller 34.5 / 39.6 = 87.1%
Thompson 30.0 / 43.6 = 68.8 %
Harris 27.7 / 39.1 = 70.8 %
Waiters 26.5 / 45.2 = 58.6 %
 
There's something happening that I am having difficulty understanding. Teams are clearly taking the 3 point shot away from us by aggressively playing on the wing and not giving shooters space. That is what is giving Love and Miller difficulty in finding open looks. How/why are we not taking advantage of this? It seems like a scenario that coaches would want because it opens up the middle of the floor for penetrating and kicking or for getting a passing big man room on the elbow. This is basic stuff that Blatt should be attacking.

We should be moving and cutting when teams play us like this. Instead we are standing around and relying on iso ball. Strange.

I long for an offense of drive and kicks and ball movement. So simple. Doesn't even need structure or coaching. New Orleans was doing it very well against us. Just drive, collapse defense, kick it out, drive/swing the ball around, rinse and repeat. Catch the defense scrambling to recover and you get an open look.

Unfortunately none of our players have that mindset. Kyrie, LeBron, and Dion are all ballstoppers to an extent and seem to like to attack static defense after pausing to survery the situation. Don't think, just drive...
 
So i found some information about how much all of are players pass...
Of course this also ignores a player's role. And Dion is at a massive disadvantage because we looked like a team willing to pass in exactly one game and Dion was out for that game.

That said, Dion is a bit (understatement) out of sorts with the new offense and how he's suppose to fit in. He'll be fine, in time.
 
I think people are failing to realize that Dion is the player who has to make the biggest adjustment to his game on this team. All the talk here and nationally has been about how Kyrie has to adjust in order for this to work, but Kyrie is a top of the pecking order player in this league and on this team, and he is always going to get his touches. Whereas Dion is going to get less and less touches, which I don't think he has ever experienced in his entire basketball playing career.

What we are seeing right now is a player who is not sure if the ball will come back to him, so he forces the issue and looks for his own shot, because unlike Kyrie, he is not a top of the pecking order player who will always get his touches on this team, and he's not used to that. He doesn't yet trust his teammates to keep moving the ball and get it back to him in good spots (how can he after the shit show hes been playing with the previous 2 years) and he hasn't been able to find the right times to pick and choose when to attack individually or keep moving the ball in order to get touches for himself.

I have a hunch, as he gets more and more comfortable with the new players around him and that they all like to pass the ball and eventually the ball comes back to him, he will begin to move it more. This is a guy who always starts off slow and ends up playing his best ball the later half of the year. This season will be no exception, especially with such a large personnel overhaul.
 
I long for an offense of drive and kicks and ball movement. So simple. Doesn't even need structure or coaching. New Orleans was doing it very well against us. Just drive, collapse defense, kick it out, drive/swing the ball around, rinse and repeat. Catch the defense scrambling to recover and you get an open look.

Unfortunately none of our players have that mindset. Kyrie, LeBron, and Dion are all ballstoppers to an extent and seem to like to attack static defense after pausing to survery the situation. Don't think, just drive...
Agreed. It seems like we are going for the home run motion/complex offense when we should start with simpler drive/kick stuff and gradually increase the complexity as guys get used to each other.
 
I think people are failing to realize that Dion is the player who has to make the biggest adjustment to his game on this team. All the talk here and nationally has been about how Kyrie has to adjust in order for this to work, but Kyrie is a top of the pecking order player in this league and on this team, and he is always going to get his touches. Whereas Dion is going to get less and less touches, which I don't think he has ever experienced in his entire basketball playing career.
This isn't my read of this board or the media at all. I would say the vast majority of people here thought Dion would be facing the toughest adjustment, with those fears driving many to call for trading him or at least discussing concerns with his fit. The only talk about Kyrie was the freakout after his 0 assist game. In fact, most people thought his transition would not be as difficult on account of his All Star game and international play.
 

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