Who's Gone This Offseason?

[DaNewCavs]

The biggest issue with this team is the defense. They have been a complete and utter disaster and playing well below what they are capable of.

I would be willing to give Pettine another year if he is willing to dump O'Neil and get a previously successful defensive coordinator to run the defense. We have too many inexperienced coaches. We can handle an inexperienced coach on one side of the ball, but not both.

The offense actually looks competent this year, despite the lack of a running game. I think the firing of the Oline coach really set the back this year regarding Oline development.

 

[Chris]

STOP CHANGING SCHEMES!!! Stick with the 3-4. It works in other places. It's proven. No reason to change to a 4-3 just because. We have a foundation with a 3-4. STICK WITH IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. STICK WITH SOMETHING!

I think he was being facetious like always but dont quote me

 

[spydy13]

I like the fact that Pet has stood his ground with the fans, front office and players. Manziel is a good example. He refuses to commit to Manziel because he knows he's not ready and Hoyer/McCown were better options on and off the field. Manziel has only played due to injuries. Gilbert is another one he's stood his ground with. Gilbert can't get on the field which most coaches would throw him out there to play because he was such a high draft pick.

For the most part, the locker room is under control. I don't remember major issues with players fighting or drama stories coming from that part of the team.

He seems to have a clear focus of what he wants his team to be. Run the ball, stop the run and play man to man d on the outside so you can rush the passer. Now I will admit his team hasn't performed that way but that seems to be how he builds the team and coaches the team.

All young coaches make mistakes and generally do a poor job early on. Pettine is cutting his teeth with a bad team. I want to see another year with him to see if he can make changes. Flipping coaches after 1-2 years is a great way to continue this crap we see. I think Pettine has the foundation to be a good coach, I think he needs time to refine his craft.

Fair enough.

I totally get the desire to not want to switch up coaching staffs yet again, but I've heard the Cleveland press talk numerous times (including Jim Donovan today) about the club med approach to training camp they had this year and how it's led to an unprepared team. If true that's inexcusable, and rests totally on Pet's shoulders.

I have no problem with the way he's developed Manziel (although I hope that with the season lost and his decent outings in recent weeks that he rides him the rest of the way), but the Gilbert situation is bizarre to me, especially yesterday. I mean obviously he feels like Desire and Gaines are better than him, but both were beaten like a drum yesterday and so I hope he plays the guy unless he just totally loafs it in practice.

I don't know, it just seems like he's a hard ass when he wants to be (it seems like this is especially the case with rookies) and he's a player protector most of the time, which keeps the vets from ever saying a bad word about him in the press.

Maybe he could change his approach in a third season, but I just don't see it happening here.

 

[Soda]

It's hard not to cast a vote for everyone...

Look, if the head coach goes, it's almost automatic that assistants go as well. Even if Pettine and his staff somehow salvage their jobs, but Farmer doesn't, Pettine is probably out as well just because the new GM will want to pick his staff.

In the rare case that, say, Haslam bypasses the interview process for GM again and appoints Kuharich, I can see Pettine staying if he's able to cut the cord with Jim O'Neil. It's hard for me to foresee a candidate who will adopt the Pettine style of defense, so it's difficult for me to see him firing O'Neil outright. It's also difficult for me to see Haslam hiring from within.

 

[Snowblind]

So I know people are against switching to the 4-3, but I was just wondering why? I'm bored and waiting for class to start and wanted to get everyone's input on it. Our defense right now is not very good, whether it be talent, scheme or injuries (even though that happens to every team). I think the weakest part of our defense is our linebacking core, with our d-line having decent depth and our secondary being talented, but not performing.

I saw that article about us picking Bosa number 1 and thought that we could change our d-line to a 4-3. You could have Bosa/Bryant/Shelton/Bryant on the line, which I think would be a decent start. Our weak lbers need an injection of talent regardless of scheme, so I guess my question to you guys is if we needed more linebackers, and having a very good 4-3 DE possibly sitting in our laps, couldn't the change be made this offseason and be effective? I think Mingo would be better in the 4-3, there's a couple of linebackers that could be drafted in the second round to help fill out the linebackers (assuming some fall or they actually declare).

This is just for discussion and not counting the fact we have a glaring hole at the QB position. edit: or if the top qbs stay in school or are picked ahead of us

 

[Binkster]

I like the fact that Pet has stood his ground with the fans, front office and players. Manziel is a good example. He refuses to commit to Manziel because he knows he's not ready and Hoyer/McCown were better options on and off the field. Manziel has only played due to injuries. Gilbert is another one he's stood his ground with. Gilbert can't get on the field which most coaches would throw him out there to play because he was such a high draft pick.

For the most part, the locker room is under control. I don't remember major issues with players fighting or drama stories coming from that part of the team.

He seems to have a clear focus of what he wants his team to be. Run the ball, stop the run and play man to man d on the outside so you can rush the passer. Now I will admit his team hasn't performed that way but that seems to be how he builds the team and coaches the team.

All young coaches make mistakes and generally do a poor job early on. Pettine is cutting his teeth with a bad team. I want to see another year with him to see if he can make changes. Flipping coaches after 1-2 years is a great way to continue this crap we see. I think Pettine has the foundation to be a good coach, I think he needs time to refine his craft.

This all fucking day. Pet has control of the locker room. I don't remember a season with less "scandals" if you will in the last decade. He needs to find a new coordinator and get on the same page from day one.

• Fanbase when we hire a first time head coach/former coordinator: "Expect some growing pains, we should be patient as he gets acclimated. It's a three year process. Can't keep going new every 2!"
• Fanbase after year 2 when first time head coach faces harsh reality of defeat and needs to make adjustments to life as a head coach in year 3 as he grows and learns from his mistakes: "Fuck year three! Fire his ass TODAY! Plenty of inexperienced coordinators out there who would love to be first time head coaches."

*Falls back into vicious cycle, bangs head through glass window pane*

 

[Chris]

This all fucking day. Pet has control of the locker room. I don't remember a season with less "scandals" if you will in the last decade. He needs to find a new coordinator and get on the same page from day one.

• Fanbase when we hire a first time head coach/former coordinator: "Expect some growing pains, we should be patient as he gets acclimated. It's a three year process. Can't keep going new every 2!"
• Fanbase after year 2 when first time head coach faces harsh reality of defeat and needs to make adjustments to life as a head coach in year 3 as he grows and learns from his mistakes: "Fuck year three! Fire his ass TODAY! Plenty of inexperienced coordinators out there who would love to be first time head coaches."

*Falls back into vicious cycle, bangs head through glass window pane*

Definitely the school of thought I fell into going into this year. All about consistency. My problem isn't so much with Pettine, whose dead-fish attitude I certainly can't stand but whatever, rather with Ray Farmer. I'm not sure it is logical to let this guy near the draft room ever again, honestly. A guy who wants to live in the past, marginalize the skill positions and quarterback position, is just not someone I can go forward with.

 

[godfather]

Farmer is definitely a goner, and should be. I've been on the fence about Pettine. I've been more in the favor of firing him recently.

My issue with Pettine is that he seems almost too stubborn for his own good. Some of the things, like not playing Johnny when he's not ready, I've been on his side with that.

But I wonder if this guy is capable of adapting, or he just always carries the "I'm right, and you're wrong" motto, kinda similar to Mike Brown's approach. Which doesn't work. Head coaches have to adapt, and check their own egos at times too.

Soda is right, I think Pettine will be gone though. Maybe not by Haslam himself. If we bring in a new GM, he almost will likely want to bring in his guy. And to be fair, I think that's valid too.

One thing we've seen, despite what anyone thinks of Pettine and Farmer individually. They weren't tied together, and there clearly seems a lot of friction between the two. That's something I'd like to avoid again.

But bringing in a new GM, that has no ties with Pettine, you risk that happening again.

So will Pettine and this new GM be able to work together?

Also, will Pettine actually fire O'Neil?

These are all things that need to be considered when deciding his faith.

I don't think it should be clearly one way or another with him at this point.

I definitely don't think Pettine is worth keeping just for Farmer to stick around another year though. And that might be the only way that happens (even Farmer himself might want a change too).

Pettine is a tougher one. O'Neil is a no-brainer. Farmer too.

I think I'd like to keep Pettine for at least one more year (in the event he removes O'Neil). But I see that hard to imagine at this point.

 

[Real Deal]

This franchise feels like 1999 every season. Always 10 steps back.

Cut our ties with Veterans and stock picks, but Haslam needs to strike gold with a GM to make this work. We just need a great GM for once that knows his shit about all kinds of shit.


Really sucks that Arians has been every thing expected and some. Would of been great for this turnaround.

 

[AZ_]

So I know people are against switching to the 4-3, but I was just wondering why? I'm bored and waiting for class to start and wanted to get everyone's input on it. Our defense right now is not very good, whether it be talent, scheme or injuries (even though that happens to every team). I think the weakest part of our defense is our linebacking core, with our d-line having decent depth and our secondary being talented, but not performing.

I saw that article about us picking Bosa number 1 and thought that we could change our d-line to a 4-3. You could have Bosa/Bryant/Shelton/Bryant on the line, which I think would be a decent start. Our weak lbers need an injection of talent regardless of scheme, so I guess my question to you guys is if we needed more linebackers, and having a very good 4-3 DE possibly sitting in our laps, couldn't the change be made this offseason and be effective? I think Mingo would be better in the 4-3, there's a couple of linebackers that could be drafted in the second round to help fill out the linebackers (assuming some fall or they actually declare).

This is just for discussion and not counting the fact we have a glaring hole at the QB position. edit: or if the top qbs stay in school or are picked ahead of us

Short verstion:

None of those guys are best suited for the 4-3 at this level, especially Shelton, Bryant and Bryant.

Then you're revamping the entire LB core, probably finding a new safety more adept in pass coverage to replace Whitner.

It's just not a good idea.

 

[Real Deal]

Whiffner needs to go regardless.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

If the Browns fire Farmar, there's just simply no way they get a good GM if Pettine staying is a stipulation of the hire. Why would a GM with with any sort of previous success (or an up-and-coming candidate with multiple options) want to go to a place where an unproven coach is forced upon him by an owner that doesn't have much of a clue what's going on? The only types of people that accept situations such as that are guys that are completely desperate.

The biggest draws for a GM position with the Browns are a high 1st round pick and the ability to pick the coach. If one of those are removed, the job is pretty awful

 

[Huber.]

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[macbdog]

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Which side is Johnnie's favorite scramblin side tho

 

[Surge]

Which side is Johnnie's favorite scramblin side tho

Trick question...

He's a pocket passer now...