Will The Cavs Make a Major Move At The Trade Deadline?

[CleveRocks]

If Cousins becomes available, it will be because he is too much of a blockhead to be coached. Pass.

Well blockhead owners beget blockhead FO. If you could sniggle cousins out of sactown, he would be a good fit.

 

[CleveRocks]

Grant (hopefully) takes it and runs. Fast.

A deal in which the Cavs get the Toronto pick is unlikely to be bad for them.

OKC has to do something about the middle. Griz destroyed them inside, as predicted. Thabeet and Perkins are not going to be enough to get them over the hump. They have to get through Memphis AND the Lakers to get to the finals, and once there a soft underbelly will be exposed for LePrincess and Bosh. Ibaka can't stop both. Andy, if healthy is a perfect fit.

However in my view, they need Perkins also, and in any case there is no reason to bail them out of his contract. Thabeet makes more sense on a young team. In my view we are doing well if we manage the toronto pick, but the dice roll players I want as well are Thabeet and Jones.

 

[Phills14]

With OKC's staunch belief in always maintaining assets ad the way Presti has done stuff over the past 4-5 years, it's just hard to believe he would offer up a package of young players(Lamb, PJIII, Reggie Jackson) and the prime Toronto pick for just one player, albeit an impactful one in Andy, who is over 30 and has had injury problems.

More than likely, if they even entered in to conversation for Andy at all, they would as for the following:

Inclusion of Perkins and his contract to us
Inclusion of Boobie and his decent perimeter D + 3 point shooting to them
Inclusion of a future first round pick pick(s) from us. Not one as high as the Toronto pick, which could be potentially in the 4-7 range, but something more than the Heat pick.
Holding on to PJIII, as even though he is roadblocked, if he could show major talent and improved focus in spot minutes over the next 2-3 years, he could be a much more valuable and major trade chip(perhaps valuable 6th man) down the road

So, if a blockbuster went down, I see it being proposed by OKC as something like this:

Lamb, Perkins, Jackson, and the Toronto pick for Andy, Gibson, the Sacramento pick, and either the Orl or Cavs 2nd rounder.

Is that even the starting point for negotiation and haggling or do we just slam the phone down on them and say no way?

Presti is at the stage where he's gonna have to win championships not just be a good team. In order to do that he's going to need more veterans and less rookie and 2nd year players in the rotation. He's done a fantastic job setting up a young core and locking them in. He needs to surround that core with talented vets that put them over the top. He's done an excellent job keeping an eye to the future with the toronto pick, PJ3, lamb but he's gonna have to move some of those pieces to get what he needs to topple the Lakers, Spurs and Heat. That being said, you are crazy if you think he unloads all 3 in a package for Andy. 1 maybe 2 goes but no chance all 3 go in an Andy deal. PJ3/Lamb/Perk for Andy/Bobbie makes some sense for them.

 

[B3team]

10-20 moves? Where do you people come up with this stuff? There are only 12 spots per game. We have to re-haul the roster at least twice before we can be competitive?

Maybe because filling 1 roster spot can take multiple moves. Look at how we acquired Zeller for example.

 

[Green Lantern]

I doubt a major move is made. Grant has shown he will look for a team wanting to unload a young player who is undervalued by their current team and might make a play on that type of move.
Just looking at the team ,there needs to be a move made to get some better talent in if a Gibson can be moved.

It's been said but I'll say it even louder,no one should think because the Cavs have some young pieces that they are THE pieces we need going forward.

Upgrades should always be in play. Except for Irving/Waiters(Scott's boy) and Zeller(if they consider starting him), any other position can and should be upgraded.

If they are ,U might find a TT on the bench .Not a bad thing but I would never try to sell that he has the PF spot locked down.

I'm not in favor of AV being dealt unless it's a steal of a move.

 

[TopGun]

10-20 moves? Where do you people come up with this stuff? There are only 12 spots per game. We have to re-haul the roster at least twice before we can be competitive?

Check the Cavs transactions between 2004 and 2010, and realize with all those moves and #6 we made the Finals once. That's where those numbers are coming from.

 

[The Process God]

Check the Cavs transactions between 2004 and 2010, and realize with all those moves and #6 we made the Finals once. That's where those numbers are coming from.

Absolutely. Moves consist of anything like a trade (which can be considered lots of moves at once if you count how many pieces are moving), a signing, a resigning, a loss of a free agent, cutting a player, drafting a rookie, etc. A move is basically anything that a GM does within a trade, free agency, or the draft.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Looks like "No" is winning out.

Comparable threads in past years seemed to be slanted towards "Yes," and nothing big ended up happening.

Therefore, sound judgement suggests we will. :chuckles:

 

[daytripper]

I would guess Grant might make a small move such as trading Boobie or renting out the capspace. A team like Memphis could move a few of their small contracts to get under the luxury tax. Maybe the Cavs steal a young prospect like Tony Wroten from Memphis similar to how Presti stole Maynor from Utah a few years ago.

 

[Huber.]

I went with no because boobie isn't getting us a first round pick in the 20's. Not unless he starts producing better numbers.

 

[Jon]

If we were to trade Andy, we better get a really good player in return. Draft picks don't guarantee anything. Look at some of the past top-10 drafts, there are loads of players who've busted. You can't just have a team full of rookies and 20 year old players. You become the Sacramento Kings.

I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, but I do agree our goal shouldn't just be to pile up a bunch of young players. We need to bring in the right players.

Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb both slipped in the draft for a reason. Summed together they've played a grand total of 46 minutes this season and taken a combined 11 shots. So, unless they can carve out some playing time as the season progresses, we're flying blind.

Toronto's draft pick is looking good at this point, and I'm sure Chris Grant can find someone he likes, but so is our own pick. If the next draft isn't very deep, then you're hoping to double down on your odds of hitting it in the lottery - and that's not a bad play.

So, while it would be great if we could target a specific young player with low bust potential, it seems unlikely that any team would give up a guaranteed top-3 pick for Anderson. So like when we traded for Baron, we'll probably have to accept our share of the risk.

We'll have to see what comes up, but one thing we tend to neglect is we probably aren't the only team willing to give up a 30+ year old big for picks or young talent.

 

[Jon]

Presti is at the stage where he's gonna have to win championships not just be a good team.

Has he said this? He may embrace a model of constant rebuild. It's not a bad idea given the salary cap restrictions, and it's the only way a team not in one of the big cities could hope to build a dynasty. Good players on a winning team get paid, and you can't have a team of $10m vets.

 

[Jon]

Because THAT would be the reason to make the trade, not the young assets right? *eye roll*

Strawman for the win?

 

[Phills14]

Has he said this? He may embrace a model of constant rebuild. It's not a bad idea given the salary cap restrictions, and it's the only way a team not in one of the big cities could hope to build a dynasty. Good players on a winning team get paid, and you can't have a team of $10m vets.

Has Sam Presti said, it's time to win championships not just be a good team? No I don't believe so but it's fairly obvious that he's successfully created and locked into long term contracts a core of players that are both young and extremely talented. He's succeeded in setting himself up for a long run of consistently good basketball and still has assets to move to make his team better. What he needs now are vets. Veterans that are leaders but more importantly contributing members on the court. Those guys are vital to championship success. We see it here on a different scale with the Cavs, and even with the Browns, you can not expect to win if your team is young and inexperienced. If he wants to keep playing the "I need draft picks and young players" card then he will never get where he wants to go IMO.

 

[godfather]

First, if the Cavs draft a player who is ultimately a bust it is their own fault. If you can't rely on them to nail a top 10 pick, then honestly I don't know how you can have a ton of confidence in them building a legitimate contender otherwise.

Second, no, you don't become the Kings. Frankly, the Kings situation isn't even comparable. They just randomly draft guys without taking fit, personality, and other aspects like that into account. Of course that won't end well. Their ownership being in shambles doesn't exactly help either, cause it's kinda difficult to win when you're the most unstable organization in the league.

Basically, your post suggested you don't want lottery picks because you don't trust the front office to A) hit on them and/or B) not draft a mismash of idiots that won't have any chemistry.

You totally didn't get my point. Point is no pick is guaranteed to be a hit. You seriously expect the front office to get EVERY single pick right? That's ridiculous. It's a crap shoot, as much as skill.

You have no idea know for sure a young kid can withstand the adversity, and put in the work to make it in this league. If it were as easy as you seem to think, there wouldn't be as many busts as there are.

The Kings have a lot young players that don't know how to play in the NBA. You do risk the Cavs becoming a team like that. It's always a good idea to have a few veteran pieces, even for a rebuilding team like us. Especially ones that can actually play.

These guys have to learn from someone, and they need learn what it takes to become a winning team in the NBA.