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Kyrie's main problems where with Mike Brown and with the losing. The combination of Blatt/Lue + Griffin selling the future with LeBron/Love or the alternate plans they had lined up was enough for Kyrie.

Look at what Eric Bledsoe just got paid after missing half of the season. If Kyrie truly wanted out, he could have played things out. He also could've tried to force the Cavs hand on signing a deal with ETOs and player options(which he did not)

I don't think Kyrie has ever wanted "out of Cleveland". I think his problem was this(all conjecture and strictly just my opinion): At this point in his life, he is not a leader of men. He has prodigy skills and was raised/trained as a prodigy. He believes his skill set means he intrinsically deserves to play games that matter and games of the highest level. Playing on a young, flawed roster(including his own flaws), he could not will or lead the team to winning in a league as talented as the NBA. So he got frustrated, because in his mind, he deserves to be playing with and at the highest level. It's a bit spoiled, but I think that was his 19,20,21 year old mindset. So his frustration was not with Cleveland as a city/market, but rather the state of the team. Now, he's surrounded by a great team. The greatest player in the game. One of the top 3 PFs in the game. Multiple players and coaches with championship experience. He's as happy as can be because he gets to showcase his skillset on the highest level with 30% of our regular season games nationally televised and all of the postseason to follow. I'm not sure we need to spend any more time wondering if/why he truly "wanted out" in January of last year. or if he could have ever matured without the team transformation that has happened and lead a team to the playoffs "on his own"(a strange concept in of itself)
 
Kyrie's main problems where with Mike Brown and with the losing. The combination of Blatt/Lue + Griffin selling the future with LeBron/Love or the alternate plans they had lined up was enough for Kyrie.

Look at what Eric Bledsoe just got paid after missing half of the season. If Kyrie truly wanted out, he could have played things out. He also could've tried to force the Cavs hand on signing a deal with ETOs and player options(which he did not)

I don't think Kyrie has ever wanted "out of Cleveland". I think his problem was this(all conjecture and strictly just my opinion): At this point in his life, he is not a leader of men. He has prodigy skills and was raised/trained as a prodigy. He believes his skill set means he intrinsically deserves to play games that matter and games of the highest level. Playing on a young, flawed roster(including his own flaws), he could not will or lead the team to winning in a league as talented as the NBA. So he got frustrated, because in his mind, he deserves to be playing with and at the highest level. It's a bit spoiled, but I think that was his 19,20,21 year old mindset. So his frustration was not with Cleveland as a city/market, but rather the state of the team. Now, he's surrounded by a great team. The greatest player in the game. One of the top 3 PFs in the game. Multiple players and coaches with championship experience. He's as happy as can be because he gets to showcase his skillset on the highest level with 30% of our regular season games nationally televised and all of the postseason to follow. I'm not sure we need to spend any more time wondering if/why he truly "wanted out" in January of last year. or if he could have ever matured without the team transformation that has happened and lead a team to the playoffs "on his own"(a strange concept in of itself)

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that Kyrie essentially feels entitled to play with the best and will be somewhat disinterested in playing at to his potential unless he is playing with the best on the big stage. I have little doubt that we will see FIBA MVP/All-star MVP Kyrie almost every game from this point forward now that every game is a big game.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that Kyrie essentially feels entitled to play with the best and will be somewhat disinterested in playing at to his potential unless he is playing with the best on the big stage. I have little doubt that we will see FIBA MVP/All-star MVP Kyrie almost every game from this point forward now that every game is a big game.

I don't think he started any of the first three seasons disinterested, just that when the losing and frustration set in, he didn't know what to do to change things. Combine that with a young team, lack of quality winning vets, coaching staffs that the players were resisting, that lack of interest or frustration would mount for Kyrie and those in his inner circle. It's not an uncommon thing amongst young players and young teams. What we did was skip the 2-3 year growth process where they start to "get it" and learn to how to be winning players on the court, off the court, and in practice and raced straight ahead to top roster, top coaching, built to win team. It's a huge burden off of Kyrie, Dion, and Tristans shoulders because they can win at the highest levels while also learning from teammates and coaches who have won championships and know what winning habits are all about.
 
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I don't think he started any of the first three seasons disinterested, just that when the losing and frustration set in, he didn't know what to do to change things. Combine that with a young team, lack of quality winning vets, and coaching staffs that the players were resisting, and that lack of interest or frustration would mount for Kyrie and those in his inner circle. It's not an uncommon thing amongst young players and young teams. What we did was skip the 2-3 year growth process where they start to "get it" and learn to how to be winning players on the court, off the court, and in practice and raced straight ahead to top roster, top coaching, built to win team. It's a huge burden off of Kyrie, Dion, and Tristans shoulders because they can win at the highest levels while also learning from teammates and coaches who have won championships and knw what winning habits are all about.

Wait, what? Do you see all of the options I have to rate your post?! Agree, disagree, like, dislike, optimistic, dumb, etc.? Nice work, Ben! :thumbup:
 
Wait, what? Do you see all of the options I have to rate your post?! Agree, disagree, like, dislike, optimistic, dumb, etc.? Nice work, Ben! :thumbup:

I was very confused about this too. Too many choices, too much pressure!

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"Optimistic"

That's what we're calling it now, eh?
 
"Bad spelling".... Snarly better watch out :chuckle:
 
Windy just said on nba radio he thinks cavs are lying about severity of kyrie's ankle and that its a high ankle sprain. Talked about juror being injury prone
 
Windy just said on nba radio he thinks cavs are lying about severity of kyrie's ankle and that its a high ankle sprain. Talked about juror being injury prone

I guess we will find out if he is not back for pre-season.
 
Hard not to feel like he's a debbie downer when all he does is shi+ on everything Cavs related.
 
Windy just said on nba radio he thinks cavs are lying about severity of kyrie's ankle and that its a high ankle sprain. Talked about juror being injury prone

I'm not one of those Windy haters - but did he say this was according to a source or just wild speculation on his part? Seems like a weird thing to say unless he had inside info.
 
He was dressed and on the sidelines.

Yeah I read somewhere (I think it was the CBS Sports recap) that he participated in shoot around but didn't play. Regardless, if he had a high ankle sprain I can't see why they'd let him do that.
 
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