Xbox One or Playstation 4? What are you getting?

[kosis]

And Phil Spencer came out and admitted TR is in fact timed exclusive, no duration was given. Most likely scenario is either 3 months or 6 months I would imagine. That would put TR for pc/ps4 out in January/February, or April/May.

Link? Can't find that anywhere.

 

[Mdog1]

I don't get what the poll has to do with anything. It wasn't inherently pro-Sony or pro-Microsoft. It was just interesting. I just happened to not read the article attached to it and misinterpreted what it was showing. Regardless, there was no spin in it. It just showed which areas of the country were most interested in each console.

Aside from that, I own both consoles, bro, along with a gaming PC. I bought them both day one. I owned both the PS3 and 360, and both the PS2 and Xbox, and the PS1, and the Wii, and the GameCube, and the Nintendo 64, and pretty much every other console. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy.

Although I have pretty much given up on Nintendo at this point. :chuckles:

I'm just bugging you. That's what the means, although I guess it's not an emoticon thingy.

So this is what I found in regards to the original used games scheme, http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...-one-questions-used-games-always-on-and-more/

Now my browser us gimped by virtue of being on mobile, so maybe you guys can find something else. That basically says yes used games, but there us an unlock fee, up to full retail price.

Here is the link to the article where Spencer talks about TR http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...er&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph

He basically says there is an expiration date, no date given though. It could be 5 years for all I know, but I imagine it isn't much longer than a dlc deal would be.

I just find MS strategy to be detrimental. I don't even really care about TR, but it is a glaring example. Pay to keep content from other gamers as opposed to paying to get content for your own. I don't remember Sony ever doing that. With dlc sure, which is bad enough, but not with full fledged games. Just a year into this generation they have done this exact thing 3 times. PvZ, Titanfall (argue it may not have been made if you want), and now TR.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't think it was the strategy that was detrimental so much as the company practicing it.

The entirely digital method works for Steam, though. It works really well, honestly. But that's mostly because Valve has earned the trust of consumers through their constant sales and competitive pricing. I for one don't trust either Sony or Microsoft to fairly set prices in an entirely digital marketplace.

 

[Mdog1]

I don't think it was the strategy that was detrimental so much as the company practicing it.

The entirely digital method works for Steam, though. It works really well, honestly. But that's mostly because Valve has earned the trust of consumers through their constant sales and competitive pricing. I for one don't trust either Sony or Microsoft to fairly set prices in an entirely digital marketplace.

I have less than zero faith in them. It works on pc because there are competing eco systems. Steam isn't the only place to buy the games, so if they keep prices high you go somewhere else. On console, there is no competing, if I own a ps4 I can only buy digital games from Sony (they did open it up to Amazon I do believe though).

EB is starting to sell digital codes, but they are retail price, I don't know how their method will work 6 months out, maybe the code will go down in price like a physical game would.

These are good steps, small steps, but at least they are headed the right direction.

The next time my internet improves, I will be perfectly happy downloading games, it only takes 3 hours to download games now, and the last time it improved the speed doubled.

We are going farther down the rabbit hole towards MS' s original drm vision with every release. Nintendo even did something with Zelda WW on Wii U that I have been dreading the thought of. You get the digital version 2 weeks (or a week, can't remember) before the physical. I will not be slightly surprised when it happens again with Uncharted 5, or TLOU2, or COD BO4.

Digital makes them more money, they want us to buy digital, and with today's adhd mentality that 2 week cookie is going to represent a massive swing over to the "dark side". Just look at the new Cod, day zero? Wtf does that even mean... How can it be zero, am I high.

This EA vault thing is another stepping stone, so is PS now, and the playshare thing. It is all to get us used to a digital only future, as early as next gen, and no one should be surprised when it happens.

 

[supergoat52]

Link? Can't find that anywhere.

Just found it, thank god:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/13/microsofts-xbox-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-deal-is-a-timed-exclusive/

“Yes, the deal has a duration. I didn’t buy it. I don’t own the franchise,” said Spencer speaking to Eurogamer. “I have Tomb Raider shipping next holiday exclusively on Xbox. It is Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I’m not trying to fake anybody out in terms of where this thing is. What they do with the franchise in the long run is not mine. I don’t control it.”

 

[Henry Tuttle]

If I can't sell something on Craigslist or in a backalley somewhere, then I don't own it. The concept that you could only sell games at "participating retailers" at the discretion of the 3rd party companies was and still is fucking absurd and disgusting. And that was just one aspect of the proposed DRM.

The PS4 share play thing is cool, but I will never use it. Those who do won't need to download games -- it will work just as remote play does with Vita, basically streaming the video to the remote device and sending input back to the home console. I assume the feedback will be about the same as remote play with Vita, with many people absolutely loving it and the rest having trouble because of slow network connections.

 

[CavsHomer]

Who plays 2k14 (and soon 2k15) and FIFA on PS4?
My ID: Jipluralx

 

[gourimoko]

Mdog has been completely right. People really do not understand Microsoft's DRM vision. They want to lock down not only the games but the console itself. I really feel the next Xbox One will be a subscription based system very much like a cable box/modem.

 

[Mdog1]

Mdog has been completely right. People really do not understand Microsoft's DRM vision. They want to lock down not only the games but the console itself. I really feel the next Xbox One will be a subscription based system very much like a cable box/modem.

100 dollars a month, play any game you want, type of subscription?

Because that is fantastic. Other people may not like it, but it would be my jam. I already spend nearly that much anyways...

Ps4 outsold xb1 again, no real surprise there. Had to do some real digging to find any numbers. If I am remembering right it was 187 to 131, US sales in July.

Sony's average over the last few months to get to 10m has been 750k worldwide, so assuming july sold the average worldwide, the US accounts for Less than 25% of the playstations overall sales. That actually bodes pretty well for Sony going forward. If the US craps out at least they have other markets to fall back on.

And just for fun, some pretty basic math.

750k for August - the 250k for August 10th we know about puts Sony at 10.5m.

Double it for Destiny (imo, could be wrong) in September for 12m, and back down to 750k for October, 12.75, and then triple it for November and December, so 17.25m for the end of the year.

Now for MS we don't have any numbers really. 1.8m Us sold in 2013, 1.2m sold everywhere else. 60% of sales in US.

So let's say MS is at 5.2m (pretty generous), that means 2.2m sales in 2014 in 7 months. 314k per month.

So 5.5 at the end of August, 1.5 times for Destiny 471k, 6m total.
Back to normal for October, 6.3 total. Triple for November and December Brings us to 8.184m.

Would give Sony a 9 million console lead at the end of the year.

I don't really think MS will get a giant boost from Destiny at all. It's being marketed as a Sony game. I would have said COD would give MS a bigger boost, but Ghosts sold more on ps4...

Edit: and for the record, triple the sales in December and November would be an absolute disaster for both consoles. For example, last December Ps4 and xb1 were both around 900k, xb winning the month by 60k. I was just trying to show how simple it will be for PS4 to get over 17m this year. The lead will he enormous if Sony hits 20m, which isn't exactly out of the question, depending on how many consoles Destiny can sell for them.

 

[gourimoko]

Mdog, where are they at right now? Market share wise in percentages? You're feeling like Sony will be ahead by more than 2:1 by Jan 1st 2015?

 

[DatDudeZ3]

So it seems as if PS4 is the heavy favorite here? I've been trying to decide for about a month to get a PS4 or XB1

 

[Mdog1]

Mdog, where are they at right now? Market share wise in percentages? You're feeling like Sony will be ahead by more than 2:1 by Jan 1st 2015?

There are no definitive numbers for ms.

Just guesstimates based on the launch % of 60 USA vs ROTW. That is where the 4.5-4.8m number I pulled out came from. Including July, 131k, Ms would be at 4,983,400 consoles sold.

But if the % worldwide skewed 5% either direction since 2013, the number is massively different. For example, 40% of America's 131k is 52.4, but if the % went up 5%, it would be an additional 6.5k (just July as an example).

I don't think it is 100% safe to say MS is 50% of Sony right now (as in 10m vs 5m).

The only numbers I can give you are estimates I have read, 10m for ps4 (not an estimate), 6m for Wii U, and 5m or less for xb1. So Sony is at nearly 50% overall marketshare at this point.

It will he quite shocking to me if Sony is not ahead 2:1 by January 1, 2015. Just next month (if they are not already) they will be if averages hold up.

Edit: just wanted to add that as of august 2, PS4 has sold 3760k in the US, and XB1 has sold 3047k in the US (just found the numbers). That means if the launch % of 60 for the US held up all this time, XB1 is 4,265,800 consoles sold to date, and PS4 is at 10m.

If the rate picked up to 50/50, The xb1 would be at 4,570,500 consoles sold. The only way MS is over 5m sold, is if the rest of the world (well the 13 or whatever country's they have launched in) has accounted for 70% of the overall sales.

360 is at about 84m I believe, and close to 40m of that is US... What are the chances the less desirable console has a better ratio than the 360 does.

 

[Mdog1]

So it seems as if PS4 is the heavy favorite here? I've been trying to decide for about a month to get a PS4 or XB1

Just do a pro and con list thing.

Do you like any of the exclusives?

If you do can you live without them?

Do you like one of the controllers?

Seriously the majority of games you will play are going to be multi plat games. So if your friends that you want to play with have one or the other get that one.

 

[Marcus]

Think I'm gonna buy a PS4 today.

What games do you guys recommend?

 

[AlohaCav]

Nba2k, battlefield, FIFA, THE show. All great games. The last of us remastered is great too.

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