Your view of Colt McCoy

[Randolphkeys]

There is a lot going wrong in St. Louis. I won't pretend to know where the good ends and the bad begins.

I was just looking over the Steelers numbers, and noticed Rothlisberger is #5 in passing yards this season. His receivers are Mike Wallace, drafted in the third round; Antonio Brown, sixth round; and Emmanuel Sanders, also third round.

Sure it would be great if the Browns were able to nab a star offensive player, but a star quarterback and smart drafting is the guarantee.

 

[AZ_]

Offensive line, defense and running game are the more important things which come before a quarterback.

The Browns are well on their way to having that established to a respectable enough level to develop a QB.

And while wide receivers are often times secondary in terms of importance, Greg Little is a pretty damn good receiver if they don't hurt his development too bad.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Offensive line, defense and running game are the more important things which come before a quarterback.

The Browns are well on their way to having that established to a respectable enough level to develop a QB.

And while wide receivers are often times secondary in terms of importance, Greg Little is a pretty damn good receiver if they don't hurt his development too bad.

My original point was that a great QB and an average receiving corp trumps the great receiving corp and average QB. While I would have agreed with you ten years ago, the importance of the passing game just seems to be multiplying on the pro and college levels. Passing records get shattered every year. I agree that building the lines is crucial, but no one single position is as vital as QB.

 

[cdt]

Colt starting next year means nothing...

I don't want a QB that we draft this April starting Game 1 next year anyway. Colt's still going to be on his small rookie contract. Seneca will either move on or still be Seneca Wallace so there's no point there. Thad Lewis? Doubtful to be with the team unless they really like him and he takes Seneca's position.

The Browns could take RG3 and Colt would still be the best option to start with a year and a half of experience. Heckert also isn't going to say anything to give Colt a reason to look over his shoulder or added pressure in the back of his mind. Decipher the FO speak people. We aren't have the diarrhea derby like we did with Quinn and Anderson.

 

[Scholar]

My original point was that a great QB and an average receiving corp trumps the great receiving corp and average QB. While I would have agreed with you ten years ago, the importance of the passing game just seems to be multiplying on the pro and college levels. Passing records get shattered every year. I agree that building the lines is crucial, but no one single position is as vital as QB.

Well, the one thing I definitely want in place before any future franchise quarterback starts to take regular snaps around here is a solid line to protect his ass. I have watched too many young quarterbacks ground into hamburger before they ever get the chance to fulfill their potential.

 

[AZ_]

My original point was that a great QB and an average receiving corp trumps the great receiving corp and average QB. While I would have agreed with you ten years ago, the importance of the passing game just seems to be multiplying on the pro and college levels. Passing records get shattered every year. I agree that building the lines is crucial, but no one single position is as vital as QB.

I completely agree it is the most important.

However, you cannot develop a great QB without the three things I mentioned.

You have to have a base to build your qb into the player he can become. You cannot take a qb and expect him to fix the others.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I completely agree it is the most important.

However, you cannot develop a great QB without the three things I mentioned.

You have to have a base to build your qb into the player he can become. You cannot take a qb and expect him to fix the others.

Case in point, Tim Couch. If he was drafted by any other team in the league he probably would have had a successful career. Since the Browns sucked so hard as an expansion team they torpedoed his career.

 

[DougHeil]

McCoy stated recently he's more comfortable in the shotgun. Shurmur's offense doesn't call on the shotgun for the most part. It seems to me that great coaches fit their offenses around the best assets of their players. Shurmur is trying to change his player's assets in order to fit into his views of an offense. Not sure that's going to work.

While I believe we may have enough at the end of the year to evaluate Colt McCoy, I also believe we don't have enough good players on offense to give him a fair shot or to know for sure he can or cannot be our QB moving forward. Even if he ends up being a little bit above average QB, those types of QB's DO win Super Bowls. A whole bunch depends on the players a QB has to work with. Our offensive line pretty much sucks especially since Steinback went down for the year. Our WR's just are not as good as many teams out there. McCoy doesn't have the players for us to know for sure if he can be our QB long term.

 

[calleger]

McCoy stated recently he's more comfortable in the shotgun. Shurmur's offense doesn't call on the shotgun for the most part. It seems to me that great coaches fit their offenses around the best assets of their players. Shurmur is trying to change his player's assets in order to fit into his views of an offense. Not sure that's going to work.

“The last couple of games,” McCoy said, “we haven’t been in the shotgun hardly at all. The shotgun comes pretty naturally to me. I’ve been there most of my life.”

McCoy is trying to get his feet on the ground, literally and figuratively. One discussion point with Shuurmur is staying in the pocket most of the time.

http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x671075066/Browns-remain-confident-in-McCoy

 

[MikeSobe]

This article was written more for entertainment than to offer hard analysis but Simmons ranks McCoy 40th out of the 42 QBs currently in the league. Ranked by their current skills.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings

40. Colt McCoy
About three weeks ago, I realized that Colt was a career backup with an awesome name and a strange peace settled over me. You will see Ron Washington trust Darren Oliver and Scott Feldman with a World Series title again before you see me betting on Colt McCoy.

 

[Huber.]

This article was written more for entertainment than to offer hard analysis but Simmons ranks McCoy 40th out of the 42 QBs currently in the league. Ranked by their current skills.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings

Seems about right. I would think Favre or Kurt Warner could have more sucess than Colt. Yes, he has looked THAT bad.

 

[Chardon]

This article was written more for entertainment than to offer hard analysis but Simmons ranks McCoy 40th out of the 42 QBs currently in the league. Ranked by their current skills.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings

What a confusing as shit article.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I completely agree it is the most important.

However, you cannot develop a great QB without the three things I mentioned.

You have to have a base to build your qb into the player he can become. You cannot take a qb and expect him to fix the others.

I'd say the offensive line is indispensable. They can make an average running back and average QB look good, as the Washington Redskins and Pittsburgh Steelers repeatedly showed us throughout the 80s and 90s. A young quarterback can now get away with just the strong line with an average running game as long as they have strong receiving and pass protection from backs. This is what Hillis and Brandon Jackson were supposed to supply this year, however the plan has to change due to injuries. The greatest outside influence on McCoy regressing is the line play.

However, is there any question that McCoy is looking in the wrong places for answers right now? Going to the media and asking for more shotgun plays is basically saying "I can't run a pro style west coast offense. Please let me play for the Toronto Argonauts when my contract is up."

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I'd say the offensive line is indispensable. They can make an average running back and average QB look good, as the Washington Redskins and Pittsburgh Steelers repeatedly showed us throughout the 80s and 90s. A young quarterback can now get away with just the strong line with an average running game as long as they have strong receiving and pass protection from backs. This is what Hillis and Brandon Jackson were supposed to supply this year, however the plan has to change due to injuries. The greatest outside influence on McCoy regressing is the line play.

However, is there any question that McCoy is looking in the wrong places for answers right now? Going to the media and asking for more shotgun plays is basically saying "I can't run a pro style west coast offense. Please let me play for the Toronto Argonauts when my contract is up."

That's the same feeling I got reading Colt's quotes about the shotgun. Doug brings up the point that you should run your offense to fit it's strengths, while that's true, you can't run an offensive system that operates mostly out of the shotgun at the pro level. You can't do it, it will not work. Colt needs to learn how to operate under center or he'll never be anything other than a career backup.

 

[SauDogg]

Players need to quit complaining to the media. It makes the team look bad themselves even worse.