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Grantland on the Cavs (2 new pieces on K-Love)

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Rosen lol. The guy used to be punching bag for so long on RCF after predicting that the best Lebron could hope to be was an average NBA player. After Lebron left, I think people forgot about him.

Wow, Charley Rosen was not a fan of LeBron James. I remember him not giving LeBron a pass for his defense his first few years in the league, I didn't realize he was the lone person on the planet that wasn't even impressed with LeBron in high school. Not the best call there Charley...

I still enjoy reading Rosen though, he's a good writer that understands the intricacies and nuisances of playing sound NBA defense like few do.
 
God help the NBA when Blatt goes ultra-spacey with small-ball lineups like Irving-Waiters–Mike Miller–LeBron-Love. That will be a rare,3defensively challenged look, but it is completely unguardable. Defensive limitations don’t matter when you go on a 15-2 run in 90 seconds.

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We all know Zach Lowe provides excellent, relatively unbiased basketball analysis...as long as he's not commenting on uniform & court designs. :chuckle:

Haha he needs to retry with out new court! But our old one did sort of suck.
 
Perhaps the most enjoyable read of the pre-season so far. So many incredibly important points made all throughout, tackling issues we've somewhat touched on but some we need to potentially discuss further.

This for example:

One thing goes wrong — one injury, one pang of envy during a stretch in which he’s the third option, one dispute with the coach — and a superstar could bolt. Ask the Lakers about Dwight Howard.

is something that should still remain on our radar. Injuries, for me, are such a grave concern. This team needs to stay healthy. And if anything goes wrong (which is about as likely in the NBA Anthony Bennett missing an open dunk - make of that ambiguity what you will), we could definitely seem some turbulent uncertainties surfacing.

The questions will come on the other end, where Cleveland faces a double whammy: It doesn’t have a rim protector, and as things stand now, it will start three bad defensive players. There is a ceiling to how good you can be defensively when 60 percent of your starting lineup is below average.

We’re getting ahead of ourselves. The phrase “We’re only as good as our defense” is echoing through Cleveland headquarters, and that end of the floor is where the mystery lies.

This is something that's been discussed relentlessly but is this still a cause for concern? We'll obviously not know what we truly lack on the defensive end until a month or so into the season. Although I still think people are underestimating the ratio of offense:defense and how impactful or dominance on the offensive end of the floor can disrupt the status quo of "defense-first NBA wins championships."In the NBA, at least since the 1970's, offense wins playoffs and championships more often than defense. The difference in success between strong offensive teams and strong defensive teams is not large, but data available online contradicts the old adage that defense wins championships.

Love and Varejao are among the league’s dozen or so best rebounders, and Thompson is at least serviceable on the defensive glass.

Another important point that might somewhat restore the balance during a lacklustre defensive outing. Between those 3, as LBJ said, "We should never lose a rebounding night." In the NBA, if shooting percentages are about equal, the team with more offensive rebounds wins 63 percent of the games. I can only imagine this percentage inflating based on our key personnel and their impact on both ends of the floor.

That should change here, and the Cavaliers, with the league’s premier outlet passer and a rocket-fueled group of ball handlers, should be able to turn defensive rebounds into easy transition points.

If not for easy baskets, this is going to result in a heck of a lot of trips to the foul line. It is more important for teams to get to the foul line frequently than it is for them to hit a high percentage of their foul shots. Perhaps, this is because lots of foul shots means the other team's starters are in foul trouble. Again, if shooting percentages are equal, the NBA team that commits fewer fouls wins 67 percent of the games. For us being such a high-octane offense and utilizing Love's outlet passes, we should be either 1. scoring consistantly easy baskets or 2. penetrating the paint so quickly that opponent's will be forced into foul trouble. If an opponent looks to prevent this quick outlet pass and set up defensively quicker than our counter-offense, this leaves plenty of room for uncontested rebounds, allowing us to control the glass and therefore create our offense more comfortably from that point.

Waiters shot 37 percent from deep last season, and he could push 40 percent if he ditches all the ridiculous off-the-dribble chucking that no longer has a place on this loaded team.

We'll obviously see a significant decrease in Waiter's off-dribble 'chucking' this season and a lot more pocket 3s. Just think of the damage he can do. Expect that 37% figure to jump into the 40s this season IMO.

Defensive limitations don’t matter when you go on a 15-2 run in 90 seconds.

I love this quote. It brings me back to a soccer quote from current Bayern Munich coach Pep Guardiola. During his time at FC Barcelona, he said that "it doesn't matter if the opponent scores 3. As long as we score 5." That team went on to win every trophy available that season employing this exact philosophy. And their offense was truly lethal.

Nobody knows yet what Blatt will do, but the variety of experience on the roster offers the promise of stylistic flexibility. “We’re gonna be versatile,” Blatt says. “The fact that we have guys coming from so many different systems will help us.”

This ambiguity is so important. We have so many options on both ends of the floor and once our guys figure it out, expect it to be incredibly challenging to coach against. Especially in a playoff series where we have the ability to change our game plan on a nightly basis on account of said flexibility.

“It’s an oversimplification to say we don’t have rim protection,” Blatt says. “Not having a shot-blocker does not mean you don’t protect the rim. It just requires a different approach.”

Pause analysis for 'this man is a God/Blatt appreciation" comment.

Varejao puts his body in harm’s way doing this, and he has missed a ton of games. An injury to Cleveland’s best big-man defender would be catastrophic to its title hopes.

Another point of emphasis on the impact and dangers of an injury to an important player.

But this team isn’t going to be some helpless sieve. The tools of a solid defense are here, and you can win the title with a solid defense and an all-world offense. The Cavs probably won’t be a top-10 defense, but they could sniff that territory, and it’s possible the East won’t burp out a single offense potent enough to worry them.

This ^.
 
CavsSimmy, I agree with most of what you said, but IIRC defense actually accounts for more championships since the 1990s which is a bit more relevant than going back to the 1970s. Defense is more important than offense, but I do get what you're driving at with respect to how much more important is defense.. I don't think we're so lacking defensively that our offense will be for nothing. So in general I agree.
 
Lowe and Luke Winn are my favorites in the business (though Winn mostly writes about college ball).
 
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CavsSimmy, I agree with most of what you said, but IIRC defense actually accounts for more championships since the 1990s which is a bit more relevant than going back to the 1970s. Defense is more important than offense, but I do get what you're driving at with respect to how much more important is defense.. I don't think we're so lacking defensively that our offense will be for nothing. So in general I agree.

this is my fear. the cavs are without a doubt a top 5 team this year. hell they maybe one of the top 5 offenses of all time. but if things go wrong with the defense they could be in trouble. that said even if we accept a good defense can offset a good offense, there are not a lot of a defenses that can counter what the cavs bring to the table.
 
Lebron will have to be a top 2-3 defender in the NBA. That is what he promised.
 
this is my fear. the cavs are without a doubt a top 5 team this year. hell they maybe one of the top 5 offenses of all time. but if things go wrong with the defense they could be in trouble. that said even if we accept a good defense can offset a good offense, there are not a lot of a defenses that can counter what the cavs bring to the table.

To me this is being blown out of proportion. While we certainly have 3 average to weak defenders thus far in their career most of those players have never played on a winning team.

Offense, much more than defense, relies on innate and natural skill. Defense can be taught to an extent and effort is paramount and extends from a collective unit feeling like they can win and having the motivation not to let their teammates down. If you take Kyrie and Kevin Love (two high iq players) and put them on a winning team, with the ultimate leader in Lebron James, they should at the very least be able to play league average defense as a whole.

If this team plays average defense and hits on all cylinders offensively you will see an inordinate amount of blowouts. Just look at the Spurs last year - they played defense in spurts and used supreme ball movement and the 3 point shot to string together lightning fast 10-15 point runs.
 
God help the NBA when Blatt goes ultra-spacey with small-ball lineups like Irving-Waiters–Mike Miller–LeBron-Love. That will be a rare,3defensively challenged look, but it is completely unguardable. Defensive limitations don’t matter when you go on a 15-2 run in 90 seconds.

I see Lowe has been reading my RCF posts. :chuckle:
 
I don't think any writeup will do me any favors until I see this team for the first time..thats all I want to see, and I'm hoping these guys who have never won realize the situation they're in..they" could just wreck this league.."
 
I think many people are underestimating how much out outstanding defensive rebounding will impact our defensive efficiency and am glad Lowe brings it up. One of the reasons why Love had a positive defensive RAPM last year is because of his rebounding and lack of fouling. Even though he's not a great one-on-one defender nor is he a rim protector of any kind, he's smart and does communicate reasonably well AND he gobbles up boards and doesn't foul.

The Heat's Bosh is a fantastic pick and roll defender, one of the league's best. But imagine how much better the Heat's defensive efficiency would have been if it had given up fewer offensive rebounds which lead to easy put backs, open threes, and fouls. In addition, with the threat of Love's outlet passes being imminent and real, I believe that we'll see even fewer opponents sending wings to crash the offensive boards. With a disgustingly high defensive rebounding %, I can see this team getting up to somewhere around 10th-12th in defensive efficiency.

On offense, our offensive rebounding is going to demoralize more than an opponent or two. When have we seen an offense that's going to a) move the ball with ball-handlers and passers galore, 2) have the ability to ISO drive and dish and post up multiple players 3) use pick and roll and pick and pop plays with two highly efficient players and one whose efficiency will increase 4) get out in transition 5) shoot the hell out of the ball 6) offensive rebound?

I hear a lot about the Spurs offense, but what we don't hear as much about is the fact that with LeBron as its primary engine, Miami had the 1st and 2nd most efficient offenses in the NBA the past two seasons. Miami's TS%, eFG%, and points per 100 possessions outranked the Spurs's stats in those respective categories. Even in the playoffs, Miami's offense was more efficient than the Spurs's going into the finals even though Miami played two very good defensive teams in Charlotte and Indiana whereas the Spurs only faced one good defensive team and two awful ones before the finals. There's a lot to be said for the Spurs's system as well as the one Miami created. Last year, discounting offensive rebounding, the Heat's offense was the second most efficient of all time but was one of the worst ever at grabbing offensive rebounds. Imagine what kind of offensive efficiency we are going to have when we can score in a myriad of ways AND rebound the ball offensively?

Lastly, though it's only a two game sample, Tel Aviv rebounded well against Plumlee, Lopez, and KG tonight (44-43 in favor of BKN). We rebounded against them as if they were a bunch of Div II players.
 
Totally agree with you, Price. Rebounding was a major challenge for Miami. We have 3 top 15 guys. This team will be hard to beat even when they shoot poorly.
 
I think the defense is being blown a bit out of proportion. Sure, it's not likely to be top 5 or anything like that, but I also highly doubt the Cavs are going to be an uncontrollable sieve, either. Middle of the pack is a safe bet imo...

And besides, when you're averaging 110+ a night, do you really NEED anything better than middle of the pack defense on a typical night?
 
I think many people are underestimating how much out outstanding defensive rebounding will impact our defensive efficiency and am glad Lowe brings it up. One of the reasons why Love had a positive defensive RAPM last year is because of his rebounding and lack of fouling. Even though he's not a great one-on-one defender nor is he a rim protector of any kind, he's smart and does communicate reasonably well AND he gobbles up boards and doesn't foul.

The Heat's Bosh is a fantastic pick and roll defender, one of the league's best. But imagine how much better the Heat's defensive efficiency would have been if it had given up fewer offensive rebounds which lead to easy put backs, open threes, and fouls. In addition, with the threat of Love's outlet passes being imminent and real, I believe that we'll see even fewer opponents sending wings to crash the offensive boards. With a disgustingly high defensive rebounding %, I can see this team getting up to somewhere around 10th-12th in defensive efficiency.

On offense, our offensive rebounding is going to demoralize more than an opponent or two. When have we seen an offense that's going to a) move the ball with ball-handlers and passers galore, 2) have the ability to ISO drive and dish and post up multiple players 3) use pick and roll and pick and pop plays with two highly efficient players and one whose efficiency will increase 4) get out in transition 5) shoot the hell out of the ball 6) offensive rebound?

I hear a lot about the Spurs offense, but what we don't hear as much about is the fact that with LeBron as its primary engine, Miami had the 1st and 2nd most efficient offenses in the NBA the past two seasons. Miami's TS%, eFG%, and points per 100 possessions outranked the Spurs's stats in those respective categories. Even in the playoffs, Miami's offense was more efficient than the Spurs's going into the finals even though Miami played two very good defensive teams in Charlotte and Indiana whereas the Spurs only faced one good defensive team and two awful ones before the finals. There's a lot to be said for the Spurs's system as well as the one Miami created. Last year, discounting offensive rebounding, the Heat's offense was the second most efficient of all time but was one of the worst ever at grabbing offensive rebounds. Imagine what kind of offensive efficiency we are going to have when we can score in a myriad of ways AND rebound the ball offensively?

Lastly, though it's only a two game sample, Tel Aviv rebounded well against Plumlee, Lopez, and KG tonight (44-43 in favor of BKN). We rebounded against them as if they were a bunch of Div II players.

 
Another thing about our defensive issues is that Lebron will shut down the other team's best player. A majority of teams will fold just under the pressure of not having their go-to guy, let alone what the rest of the defense is doing
 

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