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A closer look at Harrison Barnes

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Barnes's last 4 games:
9-23
6-17
4-14
7-20

For a guy who supposedly has turned the corner, he sure seems to need a lot of shots to score points. Shooting Guard maybe the easiest position to fill in the NBA and we already have one NBA prospect at SG spot who is building a rep around defensive and athleticism. I just don't see how everyone is sure that this guy is a top 10 pick guaranteed: to me it's a lot like Perry Jones in a way but with less excuses. In the college game now even if you're a freshman you should be able to produce big numbers if you really are worth a lottery pick. At least Jone's fan can point out that he tends to get isolated on offense but Barnes gets to put up plenty of shots. Outside of a few games, he needs every single one of those shots to put up a good scoring game.
 
I think he's just got a smooth stroke...and with more work he'll be more consistent.

But I don't actually watch the games so I'm just talking out of my ass.
 
I wouldn't take Barnes with our first pick because we need guys who can create for themselves and teammates. If we get a guy that can do that, then I wouldn't be terribly disappointed taking Barnes with the Clippers' pick (if he is there).

I'm not sure if there are many guys in this draft who can do that outside of Irving. I do struggle with who we take with our first pick as I don't really like anyone with a pick that high besides Irving. If we can't get him...yikes. Perry Jones is the only guy who seems to be worth a pick that high, but I seriously don't think he'll be able to amount to much in the NBA. I do wonder if Irving ends up not happening if the front office considers moving their first pick and taking a guy like Barnes/Williams/Jones with the Clippers pick.

Question though: ESPN has the guy listed at 6'8. Is that a legit 6'8? Because I see some people mentioning that we already have a project at SG, but at 6'8 Barnes won't be playing SG.
 
I've watched 4 of his games, and in every one of them he hasn't done all that well. But for whatever reason, I still like the kid. I've seen Perry Jones just as many times, and didn't like him as much. I have no reason to feel like this, as they're both under-performing this season, but the fact that remains; There is something about Barnes that I like. I would probably take him around the 6-10 range because of his D, his high school performances/potential and because he does look pretty smooth shooting.

Have Chris Jent help him out with his stroke a little bit, and pair him with a good PG and I think he'll be alright.
 
Harrison Barnes good enough for Tar Heels

PUBLISHED 5 hours and 55 minutes ago

Mike DeCourcy
Sporting News

As North Carolina has advanced along a curious parallel during the last month – winning streak, shooting slump – Tar Heels fans haven’t been entirely certain whether they should be thrilled or concerned.

Winning is the idea, but will the Heels win big games – such as the home game Saturday against Duke that will decide the ACC regular-season championship – if they continue to struggle with their jumpshots?

The Tar Heels are better when Harrison Barnes is seeking out his shot. One aspect of this circumstance that hasn’t received much consideration is that at least one element of the shooting slump has helped fuel the surge: The increased activity of freshman forward Harrison Barnes.

During the six-game streak, Barnes has shot 26 percent from long range -- same as the Tar Heels as a team -- on a high volume of attempts. In fact, he has accounted for just under 40 percent of the team’s missed 3-pointers.

However, during that stretch Barnes is averaging 17 points per game. And that very well could be the greatest reason the Tar Heels are winning.

In their six losses, he averaged 10.2 points on 10.6 shots per game. He was neither busy nor productive. During the streak, he has been taking 16 shots per game. He is not efficient, but he is active, and that seems to be what Carolina needs from him.

Obviously, it would be preferable for him to be making 40 percent of his 3-pointers. But if he were not confident in his ability to continue firing, he would not have made himself available against Florida State for a potential game-winning shot.

He made that one.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...-03/harrison-barnes-good-enough-for-tar-heels
 
I think what Harrison Barnes has that Perry doesn't is the alpha mentality.
 
Not sure if this was posted already.


http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-sports/2011/03/03/tar-heels-barnes-slowly-growing-into-potential/
Tar Heels’ Barnes slowly growing into potential
by Steve Wieberg on Mar. 03, 2011, under USA Today Sports

By her count, Shirley Barnes has missed no more than half a dozen or so basketball games that her first-born has played. Summer-league. High school. Now in college at North Carolina.

Back in November and December, she says, she’d fidget in her seat as she watched him with the Tar Heels and wonder to herself: Who is that kid?

So celebrated, so can’t-miss was Harrison Barnes coming out of Ames, Iowa, that he was anointed a preseason All-American by the Associated Press before he ever pulled on a college uniform. A couple of media outlets went further than that, projecting the 18-year-old as the national player of the year. Those expectations were preposterously high, of course, but guys such as Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley and John Wall before him had exploded as freshmen to immediate superstardom.

Barnes wasn’t bad. But he was hardly great out of the gate, and neither was Carolina as a team.

“We’d talk before a game. He was ready to go,” Shirley says. “But then when he’d get on the court, it was like, ‘My goodness, what is going on here?’ He just didn’t look like himself.”

What she sees now is closer to character.

North Carolina has kicked it in since mid-January, winning 11 of 12 games, moving to 23-6 overall and No. 13 in the polls and arriving at Saturday’s regular-season finale at home with dead aim at an Atlantic Coast Conference title (Saturday, 8 p.m. ET, CBS). Deliciously, the opponent is fourth-ranked and league co-leading Duke (27-3).

Barnes’ arc follows the Heels’. The 6-8, 210-pound forward is operating more comfortably and confidently on the wing in coach Roy Williams’ system, averaging better than 17 points in his last 10 games and showing a willingness to take — and ability to hit — the big shot. None has been bigger than Wednesday night’s, a three-pointer from the top of the key with three seconds left to beat Florida State 72-70 and preserve the magnitude of the looming showdown with Duke.

It capped an 18-point performance. Barnes, who counted Duke among his final half-dozen potential destinations before opting for Chapel Hill, also is asserting himself on the offensive boards and beginning to dig in, Williams says, on defense.

“Having to take a step back, face some adversity, climb back … it took awhile. It’s the first time I’ve faced that,” Barnes says.

Yes, he was a bit humbled. “It just increased my hunger, made me more competitive,” he says. “It adds a little toughness to you.”

He still isn’t Durant, Beasley or Wall … or even Jared Sullinger, the freshman strongman who has helped lift Ohio State to the top of this season’s rankings. Barnes figures to be named next week as the ACC’s top rookie but isn’t among the five finalists for the U.S. Basketball Writers Association’s inaugural Wayman Tisdale Award, given to the nation’s top freshman.

Fact is, he has missed more shots — making less than 41% from the field — than all but a couple of his teammates have taken in 29 games. He needs to cut down on his nearly three turnovers per 40 minutes.

“I’ve always felt that to be a truly great player, there’s something you have to do great,” Williams says. “He’s going to have more than one thing.

“He’s not great right now at any phase. He’s going to be at scoring — whether it’s shooting, driving, whatever. He’s going to be a great offensive rebounder. He has a chance to be a great defender. That’s three pretty good things right there. … It’s going to come. But it’s a process.”




Future at Carolina uncertain

Will it be the Tar Heels’ only chance to dance with Barnes?

Five years before he was born, Shirley Barnes started taping Michael Jordan’s NBA games — every one that showed up on television until he retired for the second time — so any son she bore could see Jordan’s greatness. A young Harrison (full name: Harrison Bryce Jordan Barnes) would study His Airness instead of taking in Saturday cartoons.

“You just watch him,” Harrison says, “and you see a play you like and you rewind it. Dissect the move a little bit, see if you can go out on the court and emulate it. See his court presence, how he impacted a game without necessarily dominating (with) the basketball.”

See, too, how Jordan craved the ball when a game’s outcome hung in the balance.

This season, or at least its fitful start, has raised questions about where Barnes’ playing ceiling is and whether he should extend what once was foreseen as a one-year stay at Carolina before stepping into the NBA.

“I have to consider that when the time comes,” he says. “Obviously, I didn’t anticipate struggling. But you’ve got to just roll with the punches. … Whichever way I decide to go, I’ll be prepared.”

If he opts for the pros, former Manhattan, St. John’s and New Mexico coach Fran Fraschilla predicts he’ll land somewhere in the top 15 picks in the June draft. But no longer is he projected as the No. 1.

“He’s not an explosive, wow-you-with-athleticism type of young man. He’s a very good, very fundamentally sound player who’ll be a piece of an NBA team’s puzzle,” says Fraschilla, who works as an analyst for ESPN and recommends that Barnes take the additional year. “He’s not Michael Jordan.”

Perhaps not. But in at least one respect, there’s a glimmer of resemblance.

Barnes, USA TODAY’ national high school player of the year in 2010, had knocked down four go-ahead or game winning shots for North Carolina before Wednesday night. Trailing by a point at FSU, Williams drew up a final play during a timeout with 11 seconds left and had no hesitation. The freshman was to get the shot again.

The plan was to attack the basket, but Barnes surveyed the congestion in front of him and followed his instinct. He pulled up behind the three-point arc, and let fly. With Jordan’s assassin’s cool. And true aim.

“He’s going to miss one one day. I know that,” Williams says. “But I’m not surprised. Great players, kids that have that kind of focus, who have that kind of ability, can make those kinds of plays.

“He’s got a lot of them left in his tank. I know that, and he knows that.”
 
I agree with that. I am still not sure how high I would rank him, but I like his attitude/mentality.

I think attitude is going to be high up on the list of things that the Cavs are looking for in the draft.
 
Maybe he's "turned the corner", but damn, his percentages aren't very good. I know there's more to basketball than stats, but it's difficult to be happy with those numbers. Is it just a coincidence they've been playing better lately? Are we looking at another Jamison? Shoots 26 shots and has 30 points?
 
If Im going to draft a wing in the top 10 he should either be a.) an off the charts shooter like a Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, etc.. or b.) a top level athlete who has the potential to be scorer in the league that can get his.

Of course there will be exception and caveats but I don't see either with Barnes. What makes him a better prospect than Jordan Hamilton or even Alec Burks? His pedigree coming out of HS?
 
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b.) a top level athlete who has the potential to be scorer in the league that can get his.

I'd put Barnes in the B group. He's a top athlete, he's coachable, he can score, he's hard working, and seems to enjoy basketball. All good things.

I'm writing off most of his college numbers because I think he's not been coached to his strengths this season. If you have a different opinion about that, then you understandably have a very different opinion about Barnes.

My opinion is that if the Cavs pick in the 7-10 range and Barnes is still on the board, he looks like the guy you'd have to take, even over a Kanter or Jonas because in my mind, Barnes is 80% likely to be a reliable starter in the NBA for a long time while Jonas and Kanter might have a high potential, both of those guys seem like 50-50 shots to be reliable starters in 5 years.

Use the #1-3 pick on the star. Use the #7-10 pick on the person whose most likely to be a quality player.
 
I'd put Barnes in the B group. He's a top athlete, he's coachable, he can score, he's hard working, and seems to enjoy basketball. All good things.

I'm writing off most of his college numbers because I think he's not been coached to his strengths this season. If you have a different opinion about that, then you understandably have a very different opinion about Barnes.

My opinion is that if the Cavs pick in the 7-10 range and Barnes is still on the board, he looks like the guy you'd have to take, even over a Kanter or Jonas because in my mind, Barnes is 80% likely to be a reliable starter in the NBA for a long time while Jonas and Kanter might have a high potential, both of those guys seem like 50-50 shots to be reliable starters in 5 years.

Use the #1-3 pick on the star. Use the #7-10 pick on the person whose most likely to be a quality player.

What is Harrison Barnes right now? He's a good but not great athlete who struggles to create his own shot, but isn't a great shooter and essentially doesnt do anything particularly well. Does he have some room to get better? Sure, but what is the track record of guys like that in the league? They become Jarvis Hayes or at best Marvin Williams.

When it comes down to it you're still taking in the top 10 based on his high school pedigree.
 

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