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A closer look at Harrison Barnes

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Lee said:
The ability to drive is allot more important from your sf than the ability to shoot. You need your sf to put pressure on the interior of the defense. I think Barnes only is a 20 point scorer on a bad team, ie someone will need to score.
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Depends how you use him. Kyrie can get to the rim as well as any small in the league. With Barnes, the Cavs could run pick and pops at the 1 and 3 a lot like the Celtics do with Rondo and Pierce.

I'm warming up to Barnes. Having a wing who can spread the floor to compliment a guard like Kyrie would be huge.
 
"Boobie" Gibson said:
You're right. Because Gee has strength and athleticism, he qualifies as a starting SF on a championship level team. Sorry, my bad.
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You want to go ahead and say 100% for sure that he's not a starter, and I disagree. I don't think you have to feel bad for that. We have differing opinions.

All that I said is that you may be right, but it's far too early to tell. He has the strength and athleticism to be a starting SF, and there are lots of complex ways of looking at looking at what Gee's role may be in the future. Included in that is the possibility that he continues to improve.
 
How do people get into fights so often on here when discussing basketball?
 
Gee could start if Danny Green is starting for the top seeded Spurs. Do you want him starting? Not really, unless you can go really deep in the bench like the Spurs do.
 
I've said this before but a lack development in his game is what turns me off. I want a team of multi-faceted players. The openness of the game in the NBA would not help him just because that openness closes quickly with the kind of athleticsm that the NBA has. If he had a hard time scoring against MKG just imagine how the Iggys, Wallaces, Artests down to the Gees of the NBA will do against him. He will be fucking raped.
 
maomaopukspuks said:
If he had a hard time scoring against MKG
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Vs Kentucky game he put up what two points that werent 3's..

5-12 FG, 4 - 5 from 3pt, 0 - 0 FT's

His first step is just too slow. Explosiveness is not really something you can improve much.
 
maomaopukspuks said:
I want a team of multi-faceted players.
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Absolutely fantastic way of looking at it. The Cavs, with the exception of LeBron James and (if his passing improves) Kyrie Irving are the only true multi-faceted star players the Cavs have had in about the last 10 years. The team has been loaded with a bunch of role players and one trick ponies from the time LeBron came to town until the end of Kyrie's first season.

The third and fourth best players they've had since LeBron joined on are probably Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. Jamison was somewhat versatile back in the day in that he was a good rebounder, but now he's reduced to being a perimeter chucker. Mo is purely a shooter.

If you're going to draft in the top 5 for what may be the last time in a while...you've got to get multi-facted players there. MKG and Anthony Davis are the ultimate multi-faceted prospects. Barnes is strictly a shooter at this point and I don't see him developing much more except to improve his shot.
 
Jigo_oi said:
Absolutely fantastic way of looking at it. The Cavs, with the exception of LeBron James and (if his passing improves) Kyrie Irving are the only true multi-faceted star players the Cavs have had in about the last 10 years. The team has been loaded with a bunch of role players and one trick ponies from the time LeBron came to town until the end of Kyrie's first season.

The third and fourth best players they've had since LeBron joined on are probably Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. Jamison was somewhat versatile back in the day in that he was a good rebounder, but now he's reduced to being a perimeter chucker. Mo is purely a shooter.

If you're going to draft in the top 5 for what may be the last time in a while...you've got to get multi-facted players there. MKG and Anthony Davis are the ultimate multi-faceted prospects. Barnes is strictly a shooter at this point and I don't see him developing much more except to improve his shot.
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Hate to beat a dead horse but I want the OKC model. Their team is complete. They really have PLAYERS who can shoot, create, and defend.
 
Triplethreat said:
Gee could start if Danny Green is starting for the top seeded Spurs. Do you want him starting? Not really, unless you can go really deep in the bench like the Spurs do.
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I see what you are trying to say but Manu is an all-star SG. San Antonio just prefers to bring him off the bench. However; Danny Green was an integral part of UNC when he was there. I think the Cavs really messed that one up, but that's a different matter for a different time.

Jigo_oi said:
Absolutely fantastic way of looking at it. The Cavs, with the exception of LeBron James and (if his passing improves) Kyrie Irving are the only true multi-faceted star players the Cavs have had in about the last 10 years. The team has been loaded with a bunch of role players and one trick ponies from the time LeBron came to town until the end of Kyrie's first season.

The third and fourth best players they've had since LeBron joined on are probably Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. Jamison was somewhat versatile back in the day in that he was a good rebounder, but now he's reduced to being a perimeter chucker. Mo is purely a shooter.

If you're going to draft in the top 5 for what may be the last time in a while...you've got to get multi-facted players there. MKG and Anthony Davis are the ultimate multi-faceted prospects. Barnes is strictly a shooter at this point and I don't see him developing much more except to improve his shot.
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I always got the impression he was a good defender. If you, or anyone else for that matter, has any advanced statistics to prove/disprove this it would be much appreciated.
 
Barnes would be a great piece. Don't get all the hate here really. Guy can defend and shoot the lights out, can play off the ball and with it in his hands.
 
Jigo_oi said:
If you're going to draft in the top 5 for what may be the last time in a while...you've got to get multi-facted players there. MKG and Anthony Davis are the ultimate multi-faceted prospects. Barnes is strictly a shooter at this point and I don't see him developing much more except to improve his shot.
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I think people assuming Barnes will be nothing but a decent spot up shooter in the NBA are making a mistake. Maybe I'm giving him too much benefit of the doubt because of his role on UNC, but I've seen him do a lot more than shoot jump shots on occasion. Once he gets to the NBA and his role changes so will people's perception of him. His movement is methodical, but his athleticism is being undersold. I'm not convinced that MKG will have a better NBA career than Barnes at this point.
 
Jigo_oi said:
Absolutely fantastic way of looking at it. The Cavs, with the exception of LeBron James and (if his passing improves) Kyrie Irving are the only true multi-faceted star players the Cavs have had in about the last 10 years. The team has been loaded with a bunch of role players and one trick ponies from the time LeBron came to town until the end of Kyrie's first season.

The third and fourth best players they've had since LeBron joined on are probably Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. Jamison was somewhat versatile back in the day in that he was a good rebounder, but now he's reduced to being a perimeter chucker. Mo is purely a shooter.

If you're going to draft in the top 5 for what may be the last time in a while...you've got to get multi-facted players there. MKG and Anthony Davis are the ultimate multi-faceted prospects. Barnes is strictly a shooter at this point and I don't see him developing much more except to improve his shot.
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I get the overall context of your post, but just wanted to mention that, only taking into account physical attributes, I think Delonte sometimes gets overlooked for what he brought. He could handle the ball, above average defense, shoot the 3, drive the rim, and set up his teammates. I always liked Delonte's game. I'm not saying he's some superstar, but I'd definitely put him above Jameson's chuck-at-all-costs punk ass and maybe even Mo, who couldn't hold delonte's jock on D.
 
"Boobie" Gibson said:
I see what you are trying to say but Manu is an all-star SG. San Antonio just prefers to bring him off the bench. However; Danny Green was an integral part of UNC when he was there. I think the Cavs really messed that one up, but that's a different matter for a different time.



I always got the impression he was a good defender. If you, or anyone else for that matter, has any advanced statistics to prove/disprove this it would be much appreciated.
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You're right. So he's 2D. :chuckles:

SmknJoe7 said:
I get the overall context of your post, but just wanted to mention that, only taking into account physical attributes, I think Delonte sometimes gets overlooked for what he brought. He could handle the ball, above average defense, shoot the 3, drive the rim, and set up his teammates. I always liked Delonte's game. I'm not saying he's some superstar, but I'd definitely put him above Jameson's chuck-at-all-costs punk ass and maybe even Mo, who couldn't hold delonte's jock on D.
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I snuck the word "star," in there between multi-faceted and players. But yeah...a healthy Delonte is definitely a better all-around player than Mo. MKG actually isn't too different from a healthy Delonte if you think about it.
 
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