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Re: Cavs sign Shaun Livingston, waived Sloan

CalBuckeyeRob said:
He is more evidence of how truly horrific the bench was at the start of the season. If you replace an extremely bad bench player with a little below average player the net effect is better results.
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also shows the value of having a few veterans on the team. A few below average guys who actually knows what they are doing and don't make a lot of mistakes can stabilize things on a roster with mostly young players. This has really been the first time since we started the rebuild that we have a full set of players who either are part of our future core or who have enough experience to know what they are supposed to be doing. That's a good thing for the players we want to develop for our future.
 
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Nathan S said:
He's shooting 41.5% from the floor since joining the Cavs, which given that he never makes 3's is on the cusp of liability territory. And given that he shot 27% in December with the Wizards, I'm a little skeptical that he'll even keep it that high. He can't shoot 3's, he can't get to the rim, and he can't get to the line...so I'm worried he's just doomed to be an inefficient scorer. He's no one's idea of a great distributer either, so I feel like he just doesn't put enough pressure on the defense as a point guard.

Also, I'm skeptical about his supposedly excellent defense. His opponent PER numbers are average; his Synergy numbers are average, and he has an average steals rate as well. I'll admit he looks good enveloping opposing point guards with those long arms, but he'll have to be a very good defender to make up for his poor offense, and I'm not sure he is.
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And yet we seem to play better with him in the line up. Some of that is vet on the floor, and some of that is his length. We can change the matchup at one of the guards, and I think that gives us better rotations. If it makes a difference of 2 points a game, it is a big deal.
 
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Livingston is far better than any joke of a backup PG we've used so far. His length is an asset. I doubt he'll be here long-term, but there's an opportunity for him to re-invent his career if he works on his game. Something he didn't do enough of when younger.
 
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Jon said:
there's an opportunity for him to re-invent his career if he works on his game. Something he didn't do enough of when younger.
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I hope you arer not saying that Livingston's problem was not that he bent his knee sideways, but that he didn't work hard enough. It almost sounds like you are saying that.
 
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Douglar said:
I hope you arer not saying that Livingston's problem was not that he bent his knee sideways, but that he didn't work hard enough. It almost sounds like you are saying that.
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[video=youtube;MHFs4a-Bb-c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFs4a-Bb-c[/video]

Pfft. He should have walked that off and hit the gym the next day.
 
Re: Cavs sign Shaun Livingston, waived Sloan

Douglar said:
I hope you arer not saying that Livingston's problem was not that he bent his knee sideways, but that he didn't work hard enough. It almost sounds like you are saying that.
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Huh? Don't know where you're even getting a hint of that.

It's a fact that Livingston coasted as a young player and never developed his talent to the level he might have *BEFORE* he busted his knee.

He *peaked* at 9 & 5 with a 13.7 PER before the injury ...

His PER is 13.4 right now for the Cavs.

With maturity and a professional attitude he didn't have before his injury, he can continue to improve and perhaps become a viable role player in the Grant Hill mold.
 
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I'm perfectly fine with Livingston as a long term back up pg for us. For one, he is an ok to good floor manager that will run the plays;two, he has the ultimate size for his position; and most importantly, he will not cost much to keep.
 
Re: Cavs sign Shaun Livingston, waived Sloan

Nathan S said:
He's shooting 41.5% from the floor since joining the Cavs, which given that he never makes 3's is on the cusp of liability territory. And given that he shot 27% in December with the Wizards, I'm a little skeptical that he'll even keep it that high. He can't shoot 3's, he can't get to the rim, and he can't get to the line...so I'm worried he's just doomed to be an inefficient scorer. He's no one's idea of a great distributer either, so I feel like he just doesn't put enough pressure on the defense as a point guard.

Also, I'm skeptical about his supposedly excellent defense. His opponent PER numbers are average; his Synergy numbers are average, and he has an average steals rate as well. I'll admit he looks good enveloping opposing point guards with those long arms, but he'll have to be a very good defender to make up for his poor offense, and I'm not sure he is.
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He's not out there to be a scorer though. I mean he takes less than 8 shots/36 minutes and I'd say he gets to the line at a pretty good rate given that number. He's out there to stabilize the offense, limit mistakes and set other guys up. That's what a back up PG is, and he's doing his job quite well judging by his 4.25:1 A/T ratio.

He's a jump shot away from being the ideal back up PG in my eyes.
 
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D-Wreck said:
He's not out there to be a scorer though. I mean he takes less than 8 shots/36 minutes and I'd say he gets to the line at a pretty good rate given that number. He's out there to stabilize the offense, limit mistakes and set other guys up. That's what a back up PG is, and he's doing his job quite well judging by his 4.25:1 A/T ratio.

He's a jump shot away from being the ideal back up PG in my eyes.
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i agree completely, get him a jumper and hell be a perfect back up PG
 
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Jon said:
It's a fact that Livingston coasted as a young player and never developed his talent to the level he might have *BEFORE* he busted his knee.
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Care to share where you found this "fact"? Or are you just assuming that it's a given that a player must be imature and not a hard worker if they can't get their PER above 15 on the Clippers?

I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that he had stopped developing either. 06-07 was widely considered a breakout season for him before he busted his knee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Livingston
In his third season, he scored a career high 9.3 points per game, being one of the few Clippers to improve from the 2005-06 season. His breakout year was interrupted by a knee injury that led him to miss 39 games.
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AuxiliaryPie said:
i agree completely, get him a jumper and hell be a perfect back up PG
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I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for him to develop a jumper, just saying he's already a pretty good back up PG to have around.
 
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Lets not forget that he in no way should be a long term option... I see the Cavs drafting a SG in the next 3 years anyways, and I can see Waiters becoming a player comparable to James Harden (Not saying as talented) who came off the bench in OKC and handled the offense. Its proven that Waiters works so much more efficiently when he handles the ball.
 
Re: Cavs sign Shaun Livingston, waived Sloan

KyrieTheKid said:
Lets not forget that he in no way should be a long term option... I see the Cavs drafting a SG in the next 3 years anyways, and I can see Waiters becoming a player comparable to James Harden (Not saying as talented) who came off the bench in OKC and handled the offense. Its proven that Waiters works so much more efficiently when he handles the ball.
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The problem is that you can't afford to pay three great guards. OKC couldn't even afford to pay two. If we do bring in another SG it will be someone who can play defense and knock down threes, but it won't be someone elite. It'll be either a veteran on a cheap contract (assuming we're contending) or a later draft pick.
 
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I like watching livingston play. I like that we run him into the post on occasion and think he needs to keep taking the foul line jumper when matched up against a smaller pg. As long as he plays with energy hes great off the bench
 
Re: Cavs sign Shaun Livingston, waived Sloan

Douglar said:
Care to share where you found this "fact"? Or are you just assuming that it's a given that a player must be imature and not a hard worker if they can't get their PER above 15 on the Clippers?
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Dude, if you don't believe what I'm writing to the point you have to call me out on trivial crap and hold up a 9.3 & 5 season as-if Shaun had already arrived in the league, just put me on ignore.

If I'm aware of something you aren't just keep in mind it might have something to do with the fact that Livingston played for the Wiz.
 
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