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Marreese Speights Has a Player Option
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
Unless we're getting a lottery pick, or a potential star in a package deal for him. I don't see why they should trade him. Speights makes this team better! The idea is to be better, right?
Unless we're getting a lottery pick, or a potential star in a package deal for him. I don't see why they should trade him. Speights makes this team better! The idea is to be better, right?
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
here's a question for the cap experts. look at what the Thunder did with Collison in 2010:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/22025/inside-collisons-unique-contract-extension
couldn't the Cavs do the same with Speights? they have a lot of cap space this summer (Walton and Boobie come off the books), the question is is this still allowed under the new CBA? in my opinion this would be a creative way to keep Speights, reach the salary floor in 2013 and preserve cap space for 2014 or am i missing something?
here's a question for the cap experts. look at what the Thunder did with Collison in 2010:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/22025/inside-collisons-unique-contract-extension
couldn't the Cavs do the same with Speights? they have a lot of cap space this summer (Walton and Boobie come off the books), the question is is this still allowed under the new CBA? in my opinion this would be a creative way to keep Speights, reach the salary floor in 2013 and preserve cap space for 2014 or am i missing something?
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
Speights and Ellington can both knock down the open J which makes them both great complements to both Kyrie and Dion's penetration and kick outs. I say keep them both after this season....
Speights and Ellington can both knock down the open J which makes them both great complements to both Kyrie and Dion's penetration and kick outs. I say keep them both after this season....
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
Depends on what they think he plans to do in the offseason. If he plans on opting out then I'd assume that the Cavs would be much more willing to move him.
Depends on what they think he plans to do in the offseason. If he plans on opting out then I'd assume that the Cavs would be much more willing to move him.
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
Wow......amazing how this thread has turned. Shame no one recommended "wait and see" a few days ago........
Wow......amazing how this thread has turned. Shame no one recommended "wait and see" a few days ago........
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
I'm all for acquiring a myriad of assets, but at what point do you actually have to start making improvements to the roster for the future? I get wanting to trade Varejao because of his age, but if we can sign Speights to a reasonable deal, why trade him for a draft pick that would likely be out of the lottery(I don't see any teams in the lottery giving a pick for him). His play style fits with Tristan's and you can't say that about a lot of centers in the league.
After this coming draft, we would have had four picks in the top 5 of the last three drafts. How many more top 5 picks do we need to acquire before we start building this team to make a run? Speights is only 25 and trading him for a pick that most likely wouldn't amount to the player he is doesn't make sense to me. Again, this is all under the veil of signing him to a reasonable contract.
I'm all for acquiring a myriad of assets, but at what point do you actually have to start making improvements to the roster for the future? I get wanting to trade Varejao because of his age, but if we can sign Speights to a reasonable deal, why trade him for a draft pick that would likely be out of the lottery(I don't see any teams in the lottery giving a pick for him). His play style fits with Tristan's and you can't say that about a lot of centers in the league.
After this coming draft, we would have had four picks in the top 5 of the last three drafts. How many more top 5 picks do we need to acquire before we start building this team to make a run? Speights is only 25 and trading him for a pick that most likely wouldn't amount to the player he is doesn't make sense to me. Again, this is all under the veil of signing him to a reasonable contract.
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
It's going to be interesting to see how this situation plays out. The value he has added to this team is certainly undeniable. I would love to retain him as long as we can make it work and it doesn't hamstring us for future deals. The addition of Speights and Ellington as well as Tristan's development have significantly improved this team. Grant has made some really crafty moves this season to bolster the bench.
I think bringing back Livingston would be smart. He's played solid ball since he's been here, can play both guard positions, and even SF at times thanks to his length. Ellington has played tough D and shot the ball well. Speights has rebounded, scored, and played good D. His shot is a great asset for the penetration abilities of Irving and Waiters. I think the hope within the front office is probably that AV returns healthy next season and Zeller plays well enough to stay in the starting lineup. Ideally, they land Noel or Len to start at C. IF that can happen and we re-sign Speights, suddenly this team is deep going into next year, with a very good big rotation:
PG: Irving, Livingston
SG: Waiters, Ellington
SF: Gee
PF: Thompson, AV, Zeller
C: (Noel / Len), Speights
That'd be a really nice 10-man rotation already, and you'd still have the Lakers/Heat pick to add another young player in the mix. What's even better? Every player in that rotation is currently 25 or younger, aside from AV and Livingston (27). That, to me, is a playoff team next year with a ton of room to grow, a butt-load of future draft picks to continue to add young talent, and a plethora of cap-space to bring in complimentary players. If Waiters makes a simliar jump next season that we are currently witnessing from Tristan, look out.
I hate to reference per 36 numbers, but thought I'd take a look at Speights' per 36 since coming to Cleveland: 21.6 pts, 10.8 reb, 1.2 blk, 53% from the field, 83% from the line. Obviously not a true indicator of what he'd do if he truly played that much, but interesting to look at nonetheless.
It's going to be interesting to see how this situation plays out. The value he has added to this team is certainly undeniable. I would love to retain him as long as we can make it work and it doesn't hamstring us for future deals. The addition of Speights and Ellington as well as Tristan's development have significantly improved this team. Grant has made some really crafty moves this season to bolster the bench.
I think bringing back Livingston would be smart. He's played solid ball since he's been here, can play both guard positions, and even SF at times thanks to his length. Ellington has played tough D and shot the ball well. Speights has rebounded, scored, and played good D. His shot is a great asset for the penetration abilities of Irving and Waiters. I think the hope within the front office is probably that AV returns healthy next season and Zeller plays well enough to stay in the starting lineup. Ideally, they land Noel or Len to start at C. IF that can happen and we re-sign Speights, suddenly this team is deep going into next year, with a very good big rotation:
PG: Irving, Livingston
SG: Waiters, Ellington
SF: Gee
PF: Thompson, AV, Zeller
C: (Noel / Len), Speights
That'd be a really nice 10-man rotation already, and you'd still have the Lakers/Heat pick to add another young player in the mix. What's even better? Every player in that rotation is currently 25 or younger, aside from AV and Livingston (27). That, to me, is a playoff team next year with a ton of room to grow, a butt-load of future draft picks to continue to add young talent, and a plethora of cap-space to bring in complimentary players. If Waiters makes a simliar jump next season that we are currently witnessing from Tristan, look out.
I hate to reference per 36 numbers, but thought I'd take a look at Speights' per 36 since coming to Cleveland: 21.6 pts, 10.8 reb, 1.2 blk, 53% from the field, 83% from the line. Obviously not a true indicator of what he'd do if he truly played that much, but interesting to look at nonetheless.
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Re: Welcome Marreese Speights
I may have been higher on Speights than anyone when we got him...the trade was great and IMO there is no reason at all to deal him or Ellington...a good team needs a solid bench...Speights is the biggest scoring threat we have had in the front court in quite awhile...he is exactly what we needed...keep him and add another quality player in the lottery and this team will be shaping up nicely IMO
I may have been higher on Speights than anyone when we got him...the trade was great and IMO there is no reason at all to deal him or Ellington...a good team needs a solid bench...Speights is the biggest scoring threat we have had in the front court in quite awhile...he is exactly what we needed...keep him and add another quality player in the lottery and this team will be shaping up nicely IMO