Browns Adding to Game Day Experience

Simon said:

From what I am seeing on twitter, that Johnson guy seems like an asshole.

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They all can be if rubbed wrong. The City Council wants the Browns to break out the fine china for this presentation. A big ego fill. Councilman Johnson wants a rec center built in his ward, this is why he's combative. Councilman Polencik is probably someone who opposed Modell in 1995. The big story is that these people think that the City is exceptionally different from others, which is understandable as they're so close to the happenings here. I think it is a bit of a smear campaign for Jeff Johnson as he is constantly behind Frank Jackson as the big banana in the City of Cleveland.

AZ_ said:

Wanted to throw this out there, as there had been some disagreement on it in the past. Browns are seemingly admitting it now.

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Maybe I'm just ahead of it, but I thought this was common knowledge.

RappSoda said:

Maybe I'm just ahead of it, but I thought this was common knowledge.

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There was a discussion about avoiding the blackouts, and when people said giving away tickets was a commonly used technique to get around it, they were more or less shaken off as unjustified.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Miller asks if Browns will guarantee that they will not move.</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405028392665247744">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Banner: &quot;I can't speak for 15 years from now but we value the fact that the franchise is here and the passion of the fans.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405028726888341504">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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AZ_ said:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Miller asks if Browns will guarantee that they will not move.</p>— Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405028392665247744">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Banner: "I can't speak for 15 years from now but we value the fact that the franchise is here and the passion of the fans."</p>— Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405028726888341504">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Yikes. I think that is a power move by Banner.

IMO, there is a 0% chance that they move this franchise again. However, the plan to keep the pressure on the city is evident. Don't screw this up twice in 20 years.

Binkster said:

Yikes. I think that is a power move by Banner.

IMO, there is a 0% chance that they move this franchise again. However, the plan to keep the pressure on the city is evident. Don't screw this up twice in 20 years.

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I think you're reading into it too much. Can you guarantee to me if you'll live in Cleveland in 15 years? I can't. I'm not even going to be put on record as saying such and I can't commit to it.

They have to have something to hold over the city in order to get another sweet deal. Where are they going to go, Mexico City? The Mexico City Browns, what a PR nightmare. (Blatant misguided racism intended) No, there's nowhere they could go where there would be an instant, stable, moneymaker like here.

RappSoda said:

I think you're reading into it too much. Can you guarantee to me if you'll live in Cleveland in 15 years? I can't. I'm not even going to be put on record as saying such and I can't commit to it.

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Alfred Guinness committed to the Guinness factory in Dublin for 1000 years, and signed a 1000 year lease. I expect the Browns to do the same.

kiji said:

They have to have something to hold over the city in order to get another sweet deal. Where are they going to go, Mexico City? The Mexico City Browns, what a PR nightmare. (Blatant misguided racism intended) No, there's nowhere they could go where there would be an instant, stable, moneymaker like here.

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Beachwood or another suburb. That's the craze in professional sports today. Big cities playing political hardball on stadium deals, crying about how they're too broke, so teams move to the 'burbs. The city loses a significant financial asset while the team keeps its fan base. Anyone who thinks the City of Cleveland isn't making tens of millions of dollars a year just off the Browns alone, is fooling themselves.....

Malt said:

Alfred Guinness committed to the Guinness factory in Dublin for 1000 years, and signed a 1000 year lease. I expect the Browns to do the same.

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:chuckles:

I think it'd be wonderful if the Browns signed a 1000 year lease. Nonetheless, Guinness remains the only example and is the exception to the rule.

I am against any form of taxation.

If Haslam wants to invest his own capital into the stadium - that is his choice. The burden should never fall on the public. In my opinion, this is how business owners and investors have been doing the public dirty since taxation. Haslam will not be required to be as cautious if the burden falls on the public. He owns the team, the city does not own the team. I have done no research on this, but does the city share any of his revenue? Do we get to help decide on personnel decisions? How many small entertainment (food and beverage) businesses get to sell their product inside the stadium? Who makes that choice?

Lets go back to the days when business owners had to put up their own capital for investments - not the tax payers.

Oh I love politics.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnson to press: &quot;Do not leave this room with the belief that services are sufficient enough to hand Mr. Banner 30 million dollars.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405139364717395968">November 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cummins: &quot;I don't believe the administration nor the Browns are in touch with the public.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405139917342113792">November 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Still waiting on City Council meeting to get underway; again stadium deal is atop the agenda &amp; sources tell me it will pass</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/405127965295390720">November 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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And will people please do their research, here are some tweets to clarify the agreement:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;The Browns benefit to city of Cleveland is beyond numbers&quot; - mayor's chief of staff Ken Sillman</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404997960372457472">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Silliman: &quot;We're paying much less under the terms of this agreement than if we were bound to the terms of the lease.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405019926605217792">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> are saving city $12 mil from schedule 14F of lease &amp; $10.7 mil from what city feels they really are responsible for under the lease</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404995607917383680">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>City also saving not financing $120 mil or financing $30 mil up front payment meaning police/fire/parks/roads etc won't have to be cut in 14</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404996204179648512">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>City says <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Browns&amp;src=hash">#Browns</a> will actually save city over $32.7 million in work that they technically are responsible for</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404989676190064643">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>City would get $4.5 mil of $7.1 mil cap improvement in 2024 &amp; all of $7.5 mil in 2025 removed from schedule 14F in lease in this deal</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404988723256770560">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>City still owes over $128 million on stadium</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/404988511964495872">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Councilman Kevin Conwell says he's voting &quot;NO&quot; because Mrs Jones in his Ward needs help paying her water bill. Yep.</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/statuses/405140885983473665">November 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Mo, can you clarify with your research? What were the original agreements? Why/how would the city be saving money?

So these jackasses are essentially saying no to an agreement that will actually reduce the amount of money that the city owes to the team and are holding out for... What exactly? A better deal that very likely will never come along?

They are going to lock themselves into a worse lease just to spite the local football franchise for some reason unbeknownst to me... Or at least that's how it looks unless somebody can provide a better explanation.