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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%

  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%

  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%

  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%

  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%

  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%
  • Total voters
    255
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He was getting upset that we were taking nothing but jumpers and not going to the hole with the rock with a team on the ropes and in foul trouble. Lots of us were pissy about it. I just thought the guys on the floor had lost their legs by that point, but so had the guys on the Lakers
 
Stephen Docking said:
He was getting upset that we were taking nothing but jumpers and not going to the hole with the rock with a team on the ropes and in foul trouble. Lots of us were pissy about it. I just thought the guys on the floor had lost their legs by that point, but so had the guys on the Lakers
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Good point. But that should have been the plan from the beginning. 2 minutes to go, down double digits, not the worst time to take a 3, especially a somewhat open one like that.

Fred could have demanded we try to draw fouls, but he was more focused on not taking a three. "WE DON'T NEED A THREE RIGHT NOW!!!!". lol. It wouldn't hurt.

If he says that with 5 minutes left, he has a point. But with what the scoreboard said at that time I was like Fred wtf!?
 
shoes22 said:
I often agree with 99% of your posts Rich...

But saying Waiters looked good compared to the rest of the team is hardly a compliment. He's not THE problem like people are making him out to be, but from a production standpoint he still looked worse than nearly all the Lakers scrubs.
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He didn't play well, but that wasn't his complaint. His complaint was about Waiter's attitude that game, and I'm just not sure how you can complain about it.
 
My question is have we seen anything the last few games that suggests trading him will really help the team's morale if the chemistry problem is one of the major driver of the problems we've seen this year? I mean he's been demoted to the the 4th or 5th guard: he barely played the last game and the first half of the Lakers game. Hasn't the message been sent to everyone that the guy isn't wanted by Brown and the Cavs and he's getting punished thru losing PT for whatever he should be blamed for? You would think the guys who don't like him on the team would actually respond.
 
Why is Dion making the starting unit's defense look like utter shit?
 
Stephen Docking said:
He probably just loves lazy point guards instead
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I love guards who stay in shape during the offseason and who don 't get benched by three straight coaches for the same stuff. Nope...not buying the anti-hero narrative. You guys can, but I saw this coming last season, when it was obvious by December our future backcourt had no chemistry.
 
I also don't get why Dion is written off while Kyrie is a protected species like the koala bear.
Keep Kyrie and the Cavs will continue to flounder as players will lack accountability. Looks good but looks destined to play on losing teams.
Give me Dion any day. The kid has mongrel and wants to win. He'd will grow out of his pouting and become a leader. Meanwhile Kyrie will put on an exhibition on how to lose while racking up 24 points and padding his stat sheet.
I will interested to compare their records in about five years time.
 
Brandon Price said:
I love guards who stay in shape during the offseason and who don 't get benched by three straight coaches for the same stuff. Nope...not buying the anti-hero narrative. You guys can, but I saw this coming last season, when it was obvious by December our future backcourt had no chemistry.
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I don't know why you insist he was benched by Boeheim. He always has his frosh coming off the bench because he likes to start his guys who have more experience. And I don't recall Scott benching him neither.
 
Pioneer10 said:
My question is have we seen anything the last few games that suggests trading him will really help the team's morale if the chemistry problem is one of the major driver of the problems we've seen this year? I mean he's been demoted to the the 4th or 5th guard: he barely played the last game and the first half of the Lakers game. Hasn't the message been sent to everyone that the guy isn't wanted by Brown and the Cavs and he's getting punished thru losing PT for whatever he should be blamed for? You would think the guys who don't like him on the team would actually respond.
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Considering Kyrie seems to be a much bigger problem than Dion, no, not really.

And Mike Brown is probably the biggest chemistry problem. We need to bring in a competent coach who can actually design a system that takes advantage of two attacking guards, not one like Brown whose system is basically just a single pick-and-roll followed by iso ball.
 
Dion can place some lock down on the ball D when he wants to, but he needs to stop coming off his man to play the passing lanes, that's when he gives up open threes; like the one Blake hit to shut the door.
 
NBA radio guys this morning, Frank Isola and Stacy King, answered a question about Dion. They said that he is a talented scorer whose best role is as a sixth man, not a position he is accepting. They like his edge, but they said the perception around the league is that Dion is a malcontent. They said that some of the rumors of behavior issues are due to the losing culture surrounding the franchise and that most NBA players will tune out coaching/team concerns when a team stinks and worry about getting their minutes and numbers.

They also added that Mike Brown is part of the team troubles and the fact that he couldn't get much out of the Lakers says he isn't a top coach.
 
216 said:
Dion can place some lock down on the ball D when he wants to, but he needs to stop coming off his man to play the passing lanes, that's when he gives up open threes; like the one Blake hit to shut the door.
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While what you say is true, this is Mike Brown's defense. He doesn't want you to stay on top of your man, you have to be in position to help and recover to the shooter. Every guard on the team has that problem, and you can chalk that up to Mike Brown.
 
OptimusPrime said:
While what you say is true, this is Mike Brown's defense. He doesn't want you to stay on top of your man, you have to be in position to help and recover to the shooter. Every guard on the team has that problem, and you can chalk that up to Mike Brown.
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Man... Fuck Mike Brown
 
The help defense is what's giving up all the open threes.
 
PepsiRacer4 said:
I don't know why you insist he was benched by Boeheim. He always has his frosh coming off the bench because he likes to start his guys who have more experience. And I don't recall Scott benching him neither.
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Like he benched Ennis, Melo, Flynn, Coleman, Douglas, etc.? You said "always" and you were wrong.

And Byron did bench him...multiple times. Google is there to help jog your memory.
 
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