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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%

  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%

  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%

  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%

  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%

  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%
  • Total voters
    255
  • Poll closed .
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Serious question:

If Irving doesn't play with effort and Dion is a whiner, which is easier to fix?

Is one easier? If you had to deal with one person in the workplace, a student, a friend etc, would you rather try to "fix" apathy or "fix" someone who only blames others?
 
RedeemTeam said:
[video=youtube;MYjVK8dcCGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYjVK8dcCGk#t=89[/video]

This is what I want Dion to become. Always push the ball, and just be a bull going to the hoop.
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Oh my.

If you want Dion to become that, you all have to drop the "Just let him play through his mistakes, he's being yanked for almost nothing". That's not how you achieve that from someone with the mentality Lance has. If you let him "do his thing" he becomes Tyreke Evans 2.0.

Lance is 23. When he was 21 the only time he got on the court that year was literally the most garbage of minutes. Like Karasev-gets-more-burn garbage time. The only burn he got in the playoffs that year was enough to get throat punched by Dexter Pittman in a blowout game 6. The year before that he didn't start, he played even less.

If he got put in he was pulled with the first turnover or first missed defensive assignment. He didn't hem and haw and show out about it. He put his eyes on his coach and listened to the people he was supposed to answer to. He learned from the coaches yanking him around till he did it right. All the stuff you guys criticize Brown for doing to Dion, Lance got it worse. When he mentioned his talent, Jarrett Jack impersonator Dahntay Jones would bring up his draft status.

Now that he's shown that he can play within himself, he's slowly been given more freedom to let his talent shine. In essence, he had effenciency drilled into him.

While he had his supporters(and the talent was/still is there) but they were very much the minority, most realized he didn't need to be out there airballing layups "playing through mistakes" as if that would improve him.

The difference between the two of them is that Dion has been given more rope from Day 1, mostly because the Cavs couldn't afford not to play him. If he were on the Pacers, he would be yanked around way worse than he has been by Brown and if he didn't drop attitude he would've been shipped out without a blink of an eye, and the way we've been winning, the only one that would regret it is the Rich of Pacer's message boards.
 
TinManJoshua said:
The difference between the two of them is that Dion has been given more rope from Day 1
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Everyone on our team has, we have a terrible culture. It's not just Dion. Heck, the fact that Kyrie can basically do whatever and know he's starting the next game no matter what is probably the biggest reason he's regressed and gives nothing for effort.
 
SteelSmack said:
Everyone on our team has, we have a terrible culture. It's not just Dion. Heck, the fact that Kyrie can basically do whatever and know he's starting the next game no matter what is probably the biggest reason he's regressed and gives nothing for effort.
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I agree. The tank doesn't hold people accountable. The tank doesn't make your team better. It puts you into a position to select first in the draft. It forces you to play underdeveloped talent. It perpetuates its cycle. The tank loves the tank. It doesn't love the fans, and the fans shouldn't put it on a pedestal. Chris Grant drove the tank through Cleveland, and the fans threw roses at it. The tank doesn't build, the tank destroys.

You need to go out and learn how to win. Fans shouldn't be hoping for 26 wins instead of 36. That's ten more games in the right direction. 1st in lotto is last in the league. You can't keep standing at the bottom of the ladder hoping that it will just climb itself.

I know this sounds a little preachy, and it's not directed at you(just piggybacking off the mention of culture), but I just get tired of seeing people saying things like "Turn the tank back on" like it's a good thing. You're just saying "time to lose on purpose".
 
Smooth said:
I think the other problem with Dion is that he's not the type of player who you bring in when you're trying to create a culture and build up a franchise... He's very much a wildcard player and he seems like the type of piece you bring in later once you have an established culture/identity... Then you can kind of let him do his thing..

But now within a team trying to build and grow, where there are no defined roles and everything is up for grabs, it seems like the worst case scenario for a marriage between Dion and a team...

Dion needs to grow up but not do it on a team that's growing up itself...
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Nailed it.
 
He and Delly look awesome together. They are like a full pg when they play like that.
 
You guys think Dion was watching TNT last night?
 
The start Bennett campaign is strong.

No idea why the start Dion campaign isn't just as strong.
 
Rich said:
The start Bennett campaign is strong.

No idea why the start Dion campaign isn't just as strong.
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I think it's because there's a lot of stretches where CJ plays really well and helps stretch the floor with the first unit. Of course, if Bennett can be consistent and do the same thing, than Cj as a starter would be less attractive/necessary. Also, I think people are seeing the value of those 4 minute stretches where Kyrie rests and Dion is capable of running off 10 of 14 points with assists on the other 4. I think more people are receptive to Dion playing super sub, as long as he's performing well and still getting 32-36 mpg.
 
Rich said:
The start Bennett campaign is strong.

No idea why the start Dion campaign isn't just as strong.
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CJ fits in the starting lineup and Dion is a perfect guard to have off the bench. That's a good fit IMO.

Tristan and AV starting together just doesn't help anyone in that starting lineup...
 
Rich said:
The start Bennett campaign is strong.

No idea why the start Dion campaign isn't just as strong.
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I don't think people care anymore because everyone already thinks he'll be gone before the trade deadline.
 
Irving/Waiters/Deng/Bennett/Varejao, let Jack do what he was signed to do, with CJ spreading the floor, and Tristan cleaning up.
 
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