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Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I don't buy that Shaq had no idea he was disabled and it didn't cross his mind.

This is the same Shaq that threw a punch at Barkley (I believe) when he was in the NBA. Shaq does have a mean side to him, like everyone else.

Lets not pretend that ANY of the owners in the NBA are nice people. You don't become a billionaire by being nice.

Cuban: Insider trader?
Gilbert: Predatory Lending?
Sterling: Racist, but I'm sure there's more.
Allen: Helped steal from another company
Shaq: Made fun of disabled person

These are just the owners that I can think off the top of my head.

Yeah man. Shaq is a terrible person who preys on the disabled...
 
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Yeah man. Shaq is a terrible person who preys on the disabled...

You need to call a spade a spade. He did it, he posted it and it happened. You're starting to sound like Andrew, thinking Shaq is this perfect saint. Haven't you done something stupid in the past that you regretted or maybe told a tasteless joke that you didn't think was offensive? Then after telling it realized, how bad it was.

He did it right after being on TNT and saying that owners need to be held more accountable.

Barkley was on TNT saying that players need to be forgiven because they're human. That they are just like everyone else, but make more cash. Aren't owners human too?

Regardless of whether he knew the guy was disabled or not, the action was wrong. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt, like I am, and assume he was just making fun of some guy because he was ugly, that's still wrong. I don't think the NBA should be the ones punishing him though.

I could see an argument for him to be punished in some capacity. Regardless, what he did was very unprofessional and brought/is bringing negative attention to his workplace. I think an appropriate punishment, if any, would be for TNT to fine Shaq and make him take a sensitivity course on bullying or something.

That would be ok. I'd actually kinda be happy with that decision. I just don't agree with "fining him 2.5 million dollars" or "banning him for life" because he made fun of someone for being ugly.

What if it wasn't Shaq? What if it was Mark Cuban? Would you feel the same way?
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Started off about a racist white guy


Now we want a black guy out of ownership


Racist
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Sources: Donald Sterling has cancer
Updated: May 2, 2014, 12:07 AM ET
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Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is battling cancer, sources have confirmed to ESPN.com.

The news was first reported by the New York Post.

The Post, citing sources, reported that the 80-year-old Sterling has been battling prostate cancer for an extended period of time.

Sterling was banned for life from the NBA and fined $2.5 million by commissioner Adam Silver earlier in the week after racist remarks he made were published by TMZ. Silver has urged the league's owners to force a sale of the Clippers, which they can do with approval from three-fourths of the league's 30 owners.

The league's advisory/finance committee held its first meeting about Sterling on Thursday. The 10-member committee said in a statement that it "unanimously agreed to move forward as expeditiously as possible" on the process of terminating Sterling's ownership and planned to reconvene next week.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

This could be very short lived.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

I'm kind of torn with this whole Donald Sterling deal. The guy is undoubtedly a turd, but I don't know if he should be forced to sell his team because of statements he made in the privacy of his own home. In a world where people are up in arms about the government infringing on their privacy, no one seems to be concerned with Sterling's privacy. You're allowed to have archaic views or thoughts in this country. The only hang up for me is what do you do when those views become public? You can't put the proverbial jack back in the box. I completely understand why Silver acted as he did. From a players' perspective, I completely understand the outrage. As a black guy, I understand the knee jerk reaction to say "Fuck Donald Sterling". But as an American I just find the breakdown of our privacy disturbing as well as the repercussions your private thoughts and conversations have on your livelihood.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

Did Shaq ever have business dealings that made him profit from being prejuideced against disabled people? Did Shaq ever employ disabled people and then take them to court over their remaining contracts? Does Shaq have a repeated history of being prejudicial against disabled people? Did Shaq ever have a tape released where he states that disabled people are subhuman, meanwhile he profits heavily from their labor?

Shaq posted a picture in distaste. It was short sighted and stupid. He made fun of another person for their unattractive appearance. He should be fined and publically ridiculed. But to even begin to compare a picture mocking someone to repeated and blatant racism and platationsit mentality spanning the course of decades...

Well that's just fucking stupid.
 
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Did Shaq ever have business dealings that made him profit from being prejuideced against disabled people? Did Shaq ever employ disabled people and then take them to court over their remaining contracts? Does Shaq have a repeated history of being prejudicial against disabled people? Did Shaq ever have a tape released where he states that disabled people are subhuman, meanwhile he profits heavily from their labor?

Shaq posted a picture in distaste. It was short sighted and stupid. He made fun of another person for their unattractive appearance. He should be fined and publically ridiculed. But to even begin to compare a picture mocking someone to repeated and blatant racism and platationsit mentality spanning the course of decades...

Well that's just fucking stupid.

Appreciate the nice little compliment at the end.

So a lifetime achievement award for Sterling. I get that.

But Shaq is an owner too and did this literally within the same week as Sterling...publicly. He deserves worse than you're saying if only because of Silver's penalties against Sterling. It just looks beyond fishy.

But I think you, like the NBA, are relying on some pretty faulty grounds to prove Sterling's worldview had any clear impact on his decision-making as an owner. Do it...prove to me on paper that his racism directly caused him to discriminate against minorities as a position as the owner. I think the closest you're going to come is Elgin Baylor's horrible salary.

The whole "plantation mentality," "blacks are sub-human" stuff seems to be hyperbole. I didn't get either one of those two things from his private, not intended to be shared publicly comments, were mentalities that impaired him as an owner. Look at the information that's available...He didn't pay the players any less than the white players. He employed a black GM. He employed a black coach. You think he did that to come off as a racially sensitive guy?

With that said, I'm sure there's more information to he had that may paint Sterling in a worse light. There'd almost have to be because there's a clear indication he thinks that way. But...

But I'm looking at this based on what information was available to the public and how Silver acted in response to that information. And I'm still not convinced it wasn't an over-reaction made to appease a group that has a great deal of control over the NBA. And if you're going to punish one owner harshly for private comments against black people, then you've put yourself in a position where you should be calling a make-up foul when a black person bullies a disabled person in a public forum.

And he hasn't. And it's been overshadowed entirely by the Sterling story rather than being used as an example that the NBA doesn't accept it's owners bullying the disabled. Because as it stands, here's what the NBA's position appears to be...

NBA owner Shaquille O' Neal is permitted to make fun of a disabled person online with no consequences.

And that's a shame.
 
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Did Shaq ever have business dealings that made him profit from being prejuideced against disabled people? Did Shaq ever employ disabled people and then take them to court over their remaining contracts? Does Shaq have a repeated history of being prejudicial against disabled people? Did Shaq ever have a tape released where he states that disabled people are subhuman, meanwhile he profits heavily from their labor?

Shaq posted a picture in distaste. It was short sighted and stupid. He made fun of another person for their unattractive appearance. He should be fined and publically ridiculed. But to even begin to compare a picture mocking someone to repeated and blatant racism and platationsit mentality spanning the course of decades...

Well that's just fucking stupid.

With this logic, the NBA should punish every owner and NBA executive at the offices in New York, because they apparently have known about the things he has done "spanning decades." They stood by and put their heads in the sand and not 1 owner or NBA executive every tried brining sanctions against him to punish his behavior.

So now that one of his rants goes TMZ public, they want to act appalled and join in unity against him.

So if the NBA wants to act like this is the first they've heard of this, and are going to make a statement against racism, how do you not punish another owner who publicly ridicules a handicapped person, whether he knew or not it was a terrible move and bad look for the league.

Doesn't add up to me.
 
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When did I say 'no consequences' and 'shouldn't punish him'?

I pretty clearly state he should be fined and publically ridiculed. I just think these two offenses are on completely different levels.


I also forgot to include this in my Sterling summary:

sterling-celebrates-black-history-month.jpg
 
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I think there's more behind it than race or racism.

I think it was intentionally orchestrated to get him out of power and replace him.

You can call it a conspiracy "theory," but I'm sure at some point, it will come out in the wash that she was put up to this on a higher level by someone(s) who will ultimately either become part of the ownership group or at least bid aggressively on the team.

I think this gave the NBA an opportunity they've been waiting for to oust a dinosaur and replace him with a group that they see as being a bigger benefit to the NBA as a whole.

Usually when the punishment seems a little irrational, the intentions of the punisher are self-serving.
 
Re: So Clippers owner Donald Sterling is extremely racist

When did I say 'no consequences'?

I pretty clearly state he should be fined and publically ridiculed.


I also forgot to include this I guess:

sterling-celebrates-black-history-month.jpg

You didn't say no consequences. But no action has been taken against him yet by a group that you feel made the right decision regarding Sterling. Do you defend the NBA's judgment in the Sterling situation if they don't punish Shaq at all? Would it make you question their intentions or motivations?

It seems like not because you separate the situations in a very distinct way. But it also sounds like if they don't punish him at all, you're in disagreement with them.

That poster's a good example of ignorance and I'd almost guarantee someone in the PR department was mortified when that went out. But are you using that to prove he's an idiot or that he should be forced to sell his team?
 
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I don't know what else to say except what is the obvious truth; in our society it is just considered more taboo to mock someone for their race than it is for almost any other thing. You say you don't like black people, Latinos, Asians or any other racial minority because of their skin color, and you've committed the ultimate crime.

Every other type of insult that you can hurl at a person or a group of people is considered a lesser offense by our society. Why? I don't know why. Could be a lot of various reason (like our country's sensitivity to race stemming from slavery). Who knows. It's contradictory in a lot of ways. That generally flies over the heads of most. But it's just the way it is.

As for why the NBA acted the way it did with Sterling, it just had to. If they didn't do what they did you'd have had organized protests and possible boycotts by the players. As for why those same players who would have boycotted aren't up in arms over Shaq's comments, again, see above. Life's full of contradictions and most people aren't self-aware enough to recognize when they exist in their own thoughts.
 
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No, I'm using that as an example that the Sterling fiasco isn't an isolated incident. There is and has been speculation that he has and had seriously morbid views towards social equality. His recent statements were the smoking gun that validates the speculation.

What Shaq did was an isolated incident. There is no reason to think he has hatred towards a group of people. For fucks sake, I don't know of anyone who hasn't twisted their face like Shaq, or distorted their voice in a mocking manner towards disabled people at some point in their lives. Now... Should a grown ass man be doing that type of childish behavior online? Absolutely not. He should be fined and those proceeds donated to special needs education or something similar.

But are you seriously telling me that Shaqs views (or lack there of) on disabled people are even remotely comparable to Sterlings views on minorities? What evidence do I have that Shaq hates disabled people?

The NBA should fine Shaq. For sure. But a forced sale for a one time incident that shows no sign that those are his beliefs? I guess that's the slippery slope Cuban was talking about.
 
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No, I'm using that as an example that the Sterling fiasco isn't an isolated incident. There is and has been speculation that he has and had seriously morbid views towards social equality. His recent statements were the smoking gun that validates the speculation.

What Shaq did was an isolated incident. There is no reason to think he has hatred towards a group of people. For fucks sake, I don't know of anyone who hasn't twisted their face like Shaq, or distorted their voice in a mocking manner towards disabled people at some point in their lives. Now... Should a grown ass man be doing that type of childish behavior online? Absolutely not. He should be fined and those proceeds donated to special needs education or something similar.

But are you seriously telling me that Shaqs views on disabled people are even remotely comparable to Sterlings views on minorities?

The NBA should fine Shaq. For sure. But a forced sale for a one time incident that shows no sign that those are his beliefs? I guess that's the slippery slope Cuban was talking about.

What if they don't punish Shaq?
 
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What if they don't punish Shaq?

Then I'll think the NBA is a hypocritical organization that is only concerned about protecting its revenue.

But then again, most large for-profit companies probably fall under this category.
 

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