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Saw this on another site and it made me laugh:
the look on Rileys face just before the kick lands :chuckles:
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Pat Riley is driving the salt truck
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the look on Rileys face just before the kick lands :chuckles:
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24645731/chris-bosh-says-he-feels-revitalized-after-lebrons-departure
First of all, I love that CBS has a Miami homer as a writer, now that they are irrelevant for a while. But this article is hysterical. Bosh is "revitalized"? He'll become less vitalized when teams aren't leaving him alone to guard LeBron
First of all, I love that CBS has a Miami homer as a writer, now that they are irrelevant for a while. But this article is hysterical. Bosh is "revitalized"? He'll become less vitalized when teams aren't leaving him alone to guard LeBron
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I'm taking a look at most of the dialog in this thread with the same amount of salt that Riley is driving with. The truth is: We are loving that he no longer has possession of the top 3 (and arguably best) basketball player on the planet. And with the downgrade in talent (from a 10.0 to a 7.5 that represents LBJ and Deng) will come a less prominent regular season record. But that does not mean the Heat will not be considered any less a champion until they've demonstrated (first) their worth in the regular season (top 2 East or top 4?) and then how they will compete in the playoffs.
To this end, there are not a lot of history's competitors this team of jerks can be compared to, since many have not tried to compete without a previous player of that magnitude.
The Milwaukee Bucks had retooled as a team in 1976 with only a handful leftover. 4 of the leftovers were in the top 10 rotation after Jabbar left. The Lakers in 1990 had done little to their roster, mainly adding bits and pieces (Divac and Drew). Their regular season record went up but the small stuff that counted (field goal percent and rebounding) went down. Their playoffs did not last past the semi-finals the first year without the old Jabbar. The 1997 Magic, probably the most devastated, replaced a 10.0 center with a 5.0 or 7.0 at best in Seikaly. Then injuries plagued them, a short-lived team that lost over 20 games more without their superstar center. The Jordan-less teams speak for themselves. In 1994, Pippen attempted to carry them further, but the lack of a second star difference maker showed in the record and stats. They hardly replaced the production. The late 90s version completely tanked for 6+ years. The Cavs were in the same boat without LeBron.
The 89-90 Lakers, the injury-riddled 96-97 Magic, and 93-94 Bulls are probably the closest without actually being able to fill in the missing blanks successfully (I don't consider Rony a star by any means).
I also consider the 12-13 Celtics an attempt to fill in the shooting, scoring, and defense that they missed with Ray Allen. And since they are now the closest to what the Heat are attempting to do (except without the same play-making and versatility), I'll break them down instead.
2011-2012 (Lockout Season):
The Players (and roles)
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The Celtics lost a lot of their perimeter power and instead focused on quantity over quality. Losing Rondo for half the season didn't help matters. This left them cut dry and battered before they could attempt to compete the following year that Pierce and Garnett left. But in the 2012-13 year, it was clear they weren't the same. In a boring yet compete showing, they still made a team that was supposed to win look very bad.
The Knicks are still halfway decent. The Pacers, despite losing George in a tragic play worth a 1,000 words (which I'll probably post later), IMO can compete for the playoffs if they believe it's worth it. The Bulls are probably in the upper echelon in the league, let alone the East. The Wizards as currently constructed are playoff worthy. The East is somewhat weak, but have a good few half dozen vet teams that will push hard. So we don't know if the Heat are good enough to be a Conference Semi-Finalist yet. Imagine the 94 Bulls having the time to replace Jordan with a lesser Clyde Drexler or the 97 Magic replacing O'Neal with someone who was better than Rony...
Let's let it play out not only hoping for failure as not only Cavs fans but anti-Heat fans as well, but as a historical testament to see how replacing a superstar with a semi-all star will result in.
To this end, there are not a lot of history's competitors this team of jerks can be compared to, since many have not tried to compete without a previous player of that magnitude.
The Milwaukee Bucks had retooled as a team in 1976 with only a handful leftover. 4 of the leftovers were in the top 10 rotation after Jabbar left. The Lakers in 1990 had done little to their roster, mainly adding bits and pieces (Divac and Drew). Their regular season record went up but the small stuff that counted (field goal percent and rebounding) went down. Their playoffs did not last past the semi-finals the first year without the old Jabbar. The 1997 Magic, probably the most devastated, replaced a 10.0 center with a 5.0 or 7.0 at best in Seikaly. Then injuries plagued them, a short-lived team that lost over 20 games more without their superstar center. The Jordan-less teams speak for themselves. In 1994, Pippen attempted to carry them further, but the lack of a second star difference maker showed in the record and stats. They hardly replaced the production. The late 90s version completely tanked for 6+ years. The Cavs were in the same boat without LeBron.
The 89-90 Lakers, the injury-riddled 96-97 Magic, and 93-94 Bulls are probably the closest without actually being able to fill in the missing blanks successfully (I don't consider Rony a star by any means).
I also consider the 12-13 Celtics an attempt to fill in the shooting, scoring, and defense that they missed with Ray Allen. And since they are now the closest to what the Heat are attempting to do (except without the same play-making and versatility), I'll break them down instead.
2011-2012 (Lockout Season):
The Players (and roles)
| Season | 2011-12 Celtics (66 games) | 2012-13 Celtics | 2013-14 Heat | 2014-15 Heat |
| Coach | Doc Rivers | Doc Rivers | Erik Spoelstra | Erik Spoelstra |
| Combo Big Man | Ryan Hollins (1) Greg Stiemsma (3) Chris Wilcox (4) Jermaine O'Neal (24) Brandon Bass (39) Kevin Garnett (60) | Jared Sullinger (5) Jason Collins (7) Chris Wilcox (7) Brandon Bass (69) Kevin Garnett (68) | Greg Oden (6) Udonis Haslem (18) Chris Bosh (79) | Udonis Haslem Chris Bosh |
| Combo PF/SF/G | N/A (1) | Jeff Green (17) | LeBron James (77) | N/A |
| Stretch F | N/A | N/A | Michael Beasley (2) Rashard Lewis (6) Shane Battier (56) | Josh McRoberts |
| Swingman | Mickael Pietrus (6) Sasha Pavlovic (7) Paul Pierce (61) Ray Allen (42) | Jordan Crawford (2) Courtney Lee (39) Paul Pierce (77) | Roger Mason (2) James Jones (6) Ray Allen (9) Dwyane Wade (53) LeBron James (77) | Danny Granger Luol Deng Dwyane Wade |
| Combo Guard | Keyon Dooling (2) Avery Bradley (28) Rajon Rondo (53) | Leandro Barbosa (2) Jason Terry (24) Rajon Rondo (38) Avery Bradley (50) | Norris Cole (6) Toney Douglas (17) Mario Chalmers (73) | Norris Cole Mario Chalmers |
| Enforcer C/F | Greg Stiemsma (3) Jermaine O'Neal (24) Kevin Garnett (60) | Jared Sullinger (5) Jason Collins (7) Chris Wilcox (7) Kevin Garnett (68) | Chris Anderson Shane Battier (56) Chris Bosh (79) | Chris Anderson Chris Bosh |
| Lockdown F/G | Mickael Pietrus (6) Avery Bradley (28) Ray Allen (42) Rajon Rondo (53) Paul Pierce (61) | Jeff Green (17) Rajon Rondo (38) Courtney Lee (39) Avery Bradley (50) Paul Pierce (77) | Shane Battier (56) Mario Chalmers (73) Dwyane Wade (53) LeBron James (77) | Luol Deng Danny Granger Dwyane Wade |
| Shooter | Michael Pietrus (6) Ray Allen (42) Paul Pierce (61) | Jordan Crawford (2) Jason Terry (24) Paul Pierce (77) | Ray Allen (9) Mario Chalmers (73) LeBron James (77) | Josh McRoberts Mario Chalmers |
| Triple-Perimeter (Threat) | Paul Pierce (61) | Paul Pierce (77) | LeBron James (77) Dwyane Wade (53) | Dwyane Wade |
| Triple-Post (Threat) | Kevin Garnett (60) | Kevin Garnett (68) | Chris Bosh (79) | Chris Bosh |
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The Celtics lost a lot of their perimeter power and instead focused on quantity over quality. Losing Rondo for half the season didn't help matters. This left them cut dry and battered before they could attempt to compete the following year that Pierce and Garnett left. But in the 2012-13 year, it was clear they weren't the same. In a boring yet compete showing, they still made a team that was supposed to win look very bad.
The Knicks are still halfway decent. The Pacers, despite losing George in a tragic play worth a 1,000 words (which I'll probably post later), IMO can compete for the playoffs if they believe it's worth it. The Bulls are probably in the upper echelon in the league, let alone the East. The Wizards as currently constructed are playoff worthy. The East is somewhat weak, but have a good few half dozen vet teams that will push hard. So we don't know if the Heat are good enough to be a Conference Semi-Finalist yet. Imagine the 94 Bulls having the time to replace Jordan with a lesser Clyde Drexler or the 97 Magic replacing O'Neal with someone who was better than Rony...
Let's let it play out not only hoping for failure as not only Cavs fans but anti-Heat fans as well, but as a historical testament to see how replacing a superstar with a semi-all star will result in.
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I think people are sleeping on Danny granger. with a full season behind him from recovery he can really be a contributor.
Toronto is about as wel put together as any team can be without a bona fide superstar.
Charlotte has alot of potential. they really added alot fo quality vets thsis offseason and Walker and MKG should continue to improve.
These Eastern conference teams are gonna start seeing returns on their maturing youth as a hold and should be improved quality wise.
Charlotte has Superstar defenders at the small forward and shooting guard position.and have really added some depth to their roster.
The Jordanless bulls only lost 2 less games than Jordans bulls and lost out of a 7 game series in the eastern semi finals.
the next season Jordans partial return they really ddint get much further until they retuned
Toronto is about as wel put together as any team can be without a bona fide superstar.
Charlotte has alot of potential. they really added alot fo quality vets thsis offseason and Walker and MKG should continue to improve.
These Eastern conference teams are gonna start seeing returns on their maturing youth as a hold and should be improved quality wise.
Charlotte has Superstar defenders at the small forward and shooting guard position.and have really added some depth to their roster.
The Jordanless bulls only lost 2 less games than Jordans bulls and lost out of a 7 game series in the eastern semi finals.
the next season Jordans partial return they really ddint get much further until they retuned
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That's where everyone else expects them to be too?
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The Heat's playoff chances will purely depend on Bosh's performance and Wades health. Deng is a non factor.
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Just noticed ESPN awkwardly still has this "Heat Index" thing, but IIRC it used to be linked directly off the main NBA page, now it's buried under a "More" menu :chuckles:
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/
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They had the Heat Index before LeBron joined the Heat as well. It's their ESPN True Hoop team site/blog. The Cavs have one too, as does every team. They just turned it into a huge deal and front page material when LeBron joined the Heat.
You're more likely to find Cavs: The Blog which is their true hoop affiliate. They're alright, I'd recommend checking them out.
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Nah.
The Take on the Mistake by the Lake.
First Article: Multiple sources confirm that Dion Waiters will punch Kyrie Irving in the face unless he demands a trade to the Lakers. However, the Lakers are refusing to give up Jeremy Lin in the deal and are demanding that the Cavs take back Kobe Bryant's contract.