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None of Duncan's family got sick, and he was living with them with symptoms for days. Stop all the fear mongering.
 
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Binkster said:
Nnnno no no. But way to further perpetutate this myth.

This is the issue at hand - they weren't in protective gear nor did they take any necessary steps to protect themselves. Why do you think the media is up in arms about the way the hospital handled the situation?

Also, I can assure you that he came into contact with more than just two nurses. The fact that only two have been infected out of the entire bunch should tell you something.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-nurse-flew-cleveland-prepare-wedding/story?id=26218029

That's completely wrong, they were wearing almost full body suits. The only exposed skin was their necks, where did you see they didn't take any necessary steps?
 
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Whether you believe what's being said in the media or not, I feel like the reactions I'm seeing in here are exactly the types of reactions they'd show you during an intro montage in a post-apocalyptic movie.

First responders took all precautions and they still caught it...

The threat is being exaggerated...Not really a global threat...

The CDC is LYING TO US...

The stock market is going to crash...

There's nothing wrong guys. The virus isn't that contagious...



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CosmoKramer said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-nurse-flew-cleveland-prepare-wedding/story?id=26218029

That's completely wrong, they were wearing almost full body suits. The only exposed skin was their necks, where did you see they didn't take any necessary steps?
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Were protocols in place at the hospital to deal with Ebola?

The nurses who talked to National Nurses United said Ebola guidelines for the health care workers at the Dallas hospital were "constantly changing," the union said.

"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and ... those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," National Nurses United Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said Tuesday night. "We're deeply alarmed."
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I stand corrected about the protective gear in general but their process was wholly flawed.
 
warriorsz32 said:
You would think NBA players and all professional athletes would be at high risk as well with all the traveling and all touching the same ball on the court with different teams from all over the country...
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Or, probably more frequent...banging a nurse infected with Ebola.
 
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AZ_ said:
Ebola isn't contagious enough for this to be a "global killer" as has been so over-dramatically put.
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First, you are talking about Ebola like it's all the same, it's not.
Second, this is the most virulent they've ever seen.
Lastly, it can mutate and gain new characteristics every time it gets transmitted to a another person. They are projecting 1.4M people being infected by January. That's a lot of opportunity for some nasty changes. If it goes airborne...it's weaponized.


"Peter Jahrling, one of the country's top scientists, has dedicated his life to studying some of the most dangerous viruses on the planet. Twenty-five years ago, he cut his teeth on Lassa hemorrhagic fever, hunting for Ebola's viral cousin in Liberia. In 1989, he helped discover Reston, a new Ebola strain, in his Virginia lab.

Jahrling now serves as a chief scientist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, where he runs the emerging viral pathogens section. He has been watching this Ebola epidemic with a mixture of horror, concern and scientific curiosity.And there's one thing he's found particularly worrisome: the mutations of the virus that are circulating now look to be more contagious than the ones that have turned up in the past.

When his team has run tests on patients in Liberia, they seem to carry a much higher "viral load." In other words, Ebola victims today have more of the virus in their blood — and that could make them more contagious."
 
Binkster said:
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My first negative rep!

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CosmoKramer said:
This is not the power of hindsight, this should be common sense. We've seen exactly one case of ebola in the US so far, and she's one of the few handful of people in the entire country to have treated him. Is it really too much to ask to limit your exposure until we know you're not carrying a panic-inducing disease?

You called her at the low end of the risk spectrum a couple times, uh what? Low end of risk, for ebola. That alone should have her in quarantine, and her superiors fired for giving her permission to fly on a commercial flight.
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NO, those were not my words. It was paraphrasing what has been reported that she was told by her superiors. I stated that pretty clearly in the post you quoted, it's the 3rd fucking sentence of the post.

The CDC is supposed to be monitoring these people. If any one entity here has failed it is the CDC with their response to the situation.

She left to see her family on Oct 8th, the day the original Ebola patient died. She didn't start to feel feverish/ill until yesterday, Oct 14th (disease isn't transmittable until symptoms start)

What most people are stating is most definitely hindsight. By the the very definition of the word which is; understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed. (ie..she shouldn't have flown, she should have stay home, ect...any statement with "should have" or "could have" in is hindsight. It's not common sense, it's fucking hindsight and hindsight bias by the basic definition of the word and phrase)


This is what hindsight bias is

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias


Hindsight bias, sometimes referred to colloquially as the "I-knew-it-all-along" effect, is the effect whereby people think that past events were predictable, or at least more predictable than they actually were. This is because after an event, the probability of it happening is, naturally, 100%. The bias arises because people ignore the things that didn't happen or the things that didn't cause the event - known as the "availability heuristic". This allows people to point to specific causes of an event (such as a catastrophe) and ask, "Why wasn't something done about it?"
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So call it common sense if you want but it's fucking hindsight and hindsight bias regardless of what you want to refer to it has.
 
KB said:
NO, those were not my words. It was paraphrasing what has been reported that she was told by her superiors. I stated that pretty clearly in the post you quoted, it's the 3rd fucking sentence of the post.

The CDC is supposed to be monitoring these people. If any one entity here has failed it is the CDC with their response to the situation.

She left to see her family on Oct 8th, the day the original Ebola patient died. She didn't start to feel feverish/ill until yesterday, Oct 14th (disease isn't transmittable until symptoms start)

What most people are stating is most definitely hindsight. By the the very definition of the word which is; understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed. (ie..she shouldn't have flown, she should have stay home, ect...any statement with "should have" or "could have" in is hindsight. It's not common sense, it's fucking hindsight and hindsight bias by the basic definition of the word and phrase) This is what hindsight bias is

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

So call it common sense if you want but it's fucking hindsight and hindsight bias regardless of what you want to refer to it has.
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I don't think this a case of hindsight bias at all. If you'd have polled the people on this forum before her positive reading, I'd bet 90% of them would have said that health care workers who came in contact with her should not fly for 21 days afterwards, especially given that one nurse already had come down with ebola. And apparently, her flying violated some pre-existing guidelines, which also is not consistent with the idea that this is just "hindsight":

Second Ebola Nurse Violated Guidelines By Flying on Commercial Jet

A second Texas nurse who has tested positive for Ebola violated infection control guidelines by flying on a commercial jetliner from Cleveland to Dallas the night before she arrived at the hospital with a fever, officials said today.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-nurse-violated-guidelines-flying-commercial-jet/story?id=26206090
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Now, what's unknown -- at least to me -- is whether this was communicated to her before her trip or not. That's something that may never be cleared up because they may not want to look like they're "blaming" her if she was told about those guidelines but flew anyway.

Regardless of any fault she might bear, I'd agree with that the CDC has screwed this up. I think they made a deliberate decision to "play it down" so that people didn't "panic", and the result is that people weren't scared enough.

Nigeria beat their outbreak, and if you read up on what they did, part of it was mandatory twice a day home visits by health care workers on anyone who was exposed. That way, the fever is detected very early before anyone else might be affected. That's clearly not what happened in Dallas, nor does there seem to be any claim that the CDC recommended that be done. Because if it had, the very nature of that requirement would have meant that she would have had to stay home in Texas.
 
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