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The Andre Drummond Thread

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Tornicade said:
Spencer Hawes insult, AKA, waiving the white flag.
Andre drummond is gonna need more than one gam and better than hitting a few hook shots to show he is anything other than a specialist with a limited all around game offensively.

He is a help defender with spectacular shot blocking ability. solid rebounder and capable of make athletic spectacular plays around the basket.

This is why Drummond only played 48 minutes of fiba basketball. lower than Mason Plumlee
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White flag? lol...Actually I'm trying to help you out. I mean, you kept on saying that Drummond can't play outside of 3 feet! Remember when you said he wouldn't hang with NBA starters? LOL! Then he was a one trick pony (meaning he can only make highlight reel plays right?). LOL! Then he can't play outside of 3 feet. LOL! How wrong can you be when it came to one player? And the sad thing is that you keep coming back for more. Don't forget when you said that Kyle Singler had a better chance of winning the ROY over Drummond! LOL!

Limited outside game you say? I thought the narrative that you was trying to push for the past year was that he can't play outside of 3 feet! Bringing Plumlee and FIBA basketball into play now? I thought you said he couldn't hang with NBA starters after his rookie year lol!

Oh btw, I think I recall you saying that Andrew Bynum was better for this team anyways. LOL!
 
Let's ease off the personal insults.

My thoughts on Drummond entering year 3 are that his willingness to take shots away from the basket is still a lot higher than his ability to make the shots, and while he's a tremendous physical force in the paint, teams that game plan for him can still make him a net minus on the floor, and that while Drummond puts up some fascinating box scores, Greg Monroe will contribute more towards wins for another year.

And once upon a time, the GM that drafted Drummond also picked Darko over Bosch, Wade, and Carmelo.
 
Spencer Hawes said:
White flag? lol...Actually I'm trying to help you out. I mean, you kept on saying that Drummond can't play outside of 3 feet! Remember when you said he wouldn't hang with NBA starters? LOL! Then he was a one trick pony (meaning he can only make highlight reel plays right?). LOL! Then he can't play outside of 3 feet. LOL! How wrong can you be when it came to one player? And the sad thing is that you keep coming back for more. Don't forget when you said that Kyle Singler had a better chance of winning the ROY over Drummond! LOL!

Limited outside game you say? I thought the narrative that you was trying to push for the past year was that he can't play outside of 3 feet! Bringing Plumlee and FIBA basketball into play now? I thought you said he couldn't hang with NBA starters after his rookie year lol!


Oh btw, I think I recall you saying that Andrew Bynum was better for this team anyways. LOL!
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He cant play outside of three feet and i dont care what that you dont understand what that means.
its why i brought up FIBa because it was relevent.

Damian Lilliard was the rookie of the year and my statement about kyle singler was being facetious and pointing out he wasin context of the offense and defense performing better when he was on the court.. not that kyle singler was a great player.

Drummond has had to prove some thing in his time in the NBA. He was such a liability to the starting rotation he wasnt starting. Drummond started 10 games as a rookie.

This thead has alot of conversatiiona bout projectin Drummond and what he was doing at the time.

quite frankly your critical nature and clinginess to past conversation make it difficult to have any type of meaningful discussion on the matter.

also taking literal interpretation and outright fabrcications of things i said in the past reeks of desperation to prove me wrong and discredit me as a poster.

if you want to pine oer andre drummond every day thats fine but dont get upset and hold grudges because people disagree with you.
 
Here is the ESPN scouting report on Drummond--

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/6585/andre-drummond

Scouting report
+ Post game lacks refinement and doesn't pass well out of double teams.
+ Operates best from elbows, but needs space to work.
+ One of league's best rebounders, but tends to gamble too much on defense.

Analysis
Andre Drummond might be on the fast track towards becoming the NBA's best center, and if that's within his grasp, who better to help than Stan Van Gundy, who once helped Dwight Howard achieve that status in Orlando? Drummond didn't progress in his second season as much as is commonly reported. He was in some ways more efficient as a rookie, and the Pistons' defense was better with him on the floor that first season. Yet he more than doubled his minutes, convincing some he improved more than he did. That's not to decry what Drummond has become. He's a dynamic force who has shot 61 percent or better in his first two seasons, and very nearly cracked the hallowed 60 mark in true shooting percentage despite his horrific foul shooting.

Drummond ranked 11th in the league in WARP despite so many warts in his game, which is truly scary. He has little game beyond 10 feet from the basket, and doesn't have refined post skills. For all of his efficiency around the basket, Drummond doesn't move the ball well when the defense commits an extra man. He's a beast of a finisher on the pick-and-roll and off the offensive glass, yet his overall effect in terms of RPM was basically neutral on both ends of the floor. Drummond has already become one of the leagues' best rebounders, and his mix of blocks and steal marks him both as a defensive playmaker and maybe a gambler. As Van Gundy refines Drummond's game, the sky is the limit. The foul shooting will always be an issue, but the Pistons have their man in the middle for the long term.​
 
Torn has pulled off one of the best and most drawn out trolls of all time. A "long troll" if you will. Bravo.
 
A feel-good moment for everyone who's regretting not drafting Drummond.

Drummond seemed underwhelming through the first 3 games of the season, on both sides of the floor.

While still averaging 12/10, he's shooting only 48.5% from the field (a significant drop-off from his usual ~60%) and only 33.3% from the FT line.

On the defensive side:
Opp FG% against Drummond - 51.9%, +1.0% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against Varejao - 31.0%, -14.9% vs OPP regular season FG%.
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Just to put it into perspective:
Opp FG% against Noah - 26.7%, -19.5% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against D-Howard - 36.7%, -7.6% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against A-Davis - 43.6%, -3.7% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against Duncan - 37.5%, -12.1% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against Bogut - 40.9%, -6.3% vs OPP regular season FG%.
Opp FG% against M-Gasol - 39.1%, -7.5% vs OPP regular season FG%.
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Obviously, the sample size is still small to make any conclusions, but the trend seems to be clear - players with good defensive reputation are actually backing it up from day one.
 
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Small sample size, new coach, new system, and he's been in ridiculous foul trouble all three games.

He's gonna be fine.
 
theSTEREO. said:
Small sample size, new coach, new system, and he's been in ridiculous foul trouble all three games.

He's gonna be fine.
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Interestingly enough, he wasn't any better last year in terms of defense either.

2013-14:
OPP FG% against Drummond - 48.2%, +0.9% vs OPP regular season FG%.
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For all the defensive potential he's supposed to have he surely isn't showing any of it in his first seasons. I do feel like he will eventually become an adequate defender, like most bigs do in time (bigs do usually take longer to develop), but I really doubt he'll ever be the defensive monster his fanboys believe him to become.
 
He's had a rough start to the year: 0-5 field and fouled against Chicago.

It will be ironic if bothDion or Drummond turn out just to be merely rotational players in the league after all the Sturm and Drag we've had about that draft.
 
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He'd be nice on our team because he'd merely be asked to play weakside defense/get blocks and rebound. But even so he's still a defensive liability and really does not impact the game on most nights. I've watched a few Pistons games so far this young season and Drummond looks like a JAG. Tons of rebounds, but he doesn't seem to contribute much to his team.

Maybe it's just the horrible makeup of that roster...but I'm still not impressed with him.
 
Are they not disclosing an injury? Another awful game just 23 minutes and 2 points for him tonight
 
Okay, now he's shooting even worse from the field - 41.7%... That's worse than Kyrie's (who's a high-volume shooting guard) FG%. It's just abysmal for a big guy who is supposed to get a ton of easy layups/dunks off of missed shots. Free-throws - 37.5%...
 
Terrible start to the season for Drummond and still no improvement on defensive impact. I hate to root against someone for seemingly nothing, but seeing Drummond live up to his potential like Anthony Davis is (not that Drummond can be that dominant with his limited offense) would have killed me if Dion never turns into a star. It'll hurt if Embiid or Nerlens or Wiggins or Bennett ever blow up as well.
 
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