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The Red Viper said:
People need to understand that ball movement doesn't happen from the word go. It takes a year or two of playing alongside eachother and gaining the confidence of your teammates before you are able to circulate the ball like Spurs, Warriors and Hawks do.
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Yeah the Heat took a year to get it down and were only good the first year because the big three knew 100 percent how to play together and were proven winners. Here we have losers and players who were in dysfunctional systems. Basically Irving more so than Love never had any sort of feel for pure team ball.
 
The Red Viper said:
People need to understand that ball movement doesn't happen from the word go. It takes a year or two of playing alongside eachother and gaining the confidence of your teammates before you are able to circulate the ball like Spurs, Warriors and Hawks do.
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True although we have to start somewhere. Then again, in a gsme like this, when you have Kelly at times on James, it's easier offense letting James attack and get them in foul trouble.

In addition, as pretty as the Hawks's and Warriors's offenses look, before James went down, our offense was BETTER than Atlanta's right now, and very slightly below where Golden State's is right now. That was with no discernible system and no chemistry.
 
I was at the game tonight (which was awesome btw - tons of Cavs fans) so I'm not sure how it came across on TV, but Lebron was night and day in the first and second halves.

First half, you could tell that he was pissed off about something. During timeouts he would storm over to the bench and, like, slam himself down into the seat. It was weird. I'm sure people saw that lazy, angry turnaround jumper he had, although it looked to me like he was reacting to somebody in the crowd. Just just a guess. He was talking to the crowd a lot in the first half.

Second half though, he was engaged, almost hyper active. And he was involved strongly in nearly every huddle. During free throws when he was in the backcourt especially, he was talking with Blatt and the assistant coaches, even joking a laughing with them once they went up big near the end.

It was crazy. But I'll take second half Lebron anyway.

BTW, watching that Lebron / Kobe battle down the stretch was amazing in person.
 
theSTEREO. said:
I was at the game tonight (which was awesome btw - tons of Cavs fans) so I'm not sure how it came across on TV, but Lebron was night and day in the first and second halves.

First half, you could tell that he was pissed off about something. During timeouts he would storm over to the bench and, like, slam himself down into the seat. It was weird. I'm sure people saw that lazy, angry turnaround jumper he had, although it looked to me like he was reacting to somebody in the crowd. Just just a guess. He was talking to the crowd a lot in the first half.

Second half though, he was engaged, almost hyper active. And he was involved strongly in nearly every huddle. During free throws when he was in the backcourt especially, he was talking with Blatt and the assistant coaches, even joking a laughing with them once they went up big near the end.

It was crazy. But I'll take second half Lebron anyway.

BTW, watching that Lebron / Kobe battle down the stretch was amazing in person.
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From watching the game I think he was mad at Kyrie. He was being lazy on both O and D in the first half. I felt it through the TV as LeBron you can always tell who he is mad at. I think while pissed he let fans get to him, I do not think he was breaking plays as much as just showing his team "see what I can do by myself" It was a message to the players not the coach. Kyrie came in second half like a new player and LeBron become cool again. Just my take.
 
What's worrisome is how dependent we are on him. Team looked just as bad during the losing streak this game when he sat
 
Pioneer10 said:
What's worrisome is how dependent we are on him. Team looked just as bad during the losing streak this game when he sat
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That is why he was pissed in the 1Q and again more at Kyrie. Kyrie with out him looks lost and lazy. At least in the second half they looked better with out him and didn't blow the lead and or get blown out.
 
theSTEREO. said:
I was at the game tonight (which was awesome btw - tons of Cavs fans) so I'm not sure how it came across on TV, but Lebron was night and day in the first and second halves.

First half, you could tell that he was pissed off about something. During timeouts he would storm over to the bench and, like, slam himself down into the seat. It was weird. I'm sure people saw that lazy, angry turnaround jumper he had, although it looked to me like he was reacting to somebody in the crowd. Just just a guess. He was talking to the crowd a lot in the first half.

Second half though, he was engaged, almost hyper active. And he was involved strongly in nearly every huddle. During free throws when he was in the backcourt especially, he was talking with Blatt and the assistant coaches, even joking a laughing with them once they went up big near the end.

It was crazy. But I'll take second half Lebron anyway.

BTW, watching that Lebron / Kobe battle down the stretch was amazing in person.
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If lebron truly wanted Blatt fired, none of this would have happened.

Either everyone (including me) was wrong about how Lebron feels about Blatt, or Blatt said something/did something at halftime that resonated.

Both scenarios are outstanding.

Blatt has a history of rising to the occasion in the face of adversity, and I think he did that tonight.

I like Blatt, a lot. That should be obvious at this point. But tonight was absolutely a litmus test for him, and he passed. We should all be really happy with tonight's outcome. It was way, way bigger than just beating a lowly lakers team...
 
I don't think LeBron wants to get Blatt fired. He may not be a big admirer of him and not fully sold on him yet. But to say he wants to get him fired and was playing poorly because of that was simply over the top.
 
Pleased with how Lebron has looked since coming off the injury. His lift is definitely back and his explosion off the dribble is more like what we are accustomed to.

One thing that would be nice is to see some more Lebron & Mozgov P&R. The couple times we ran it Mozgov got wide open looks at the rim and he sets really good screens for Lebron to make cuts off.
 
Often at times, I've noticed that we're overly critical of LeBron James. I was a culprit of this for nearly every game before his injury.

I remember mentioning in a game thread about a month or so back that I thought LeBron looked so lackluster, disengaged and was lacking any sort of contribution, only to have to go back to my post and edit it because I noticed that his stat line read something like 26/11/5.

The problem is that we have such an immortal memory of LeBron James from the first go-round that we hold such a high standard of expectation for him to lift each and every game. And because of that, we criticize him more than anyone else when he falls into the uncharacteristic traits of consecutive missed free throws and wide open dunk botches. When you're suppose to be the best, you're expected to play like the best and any less than perfection will be scrutinized.

Since he's been back from injury (and given the way we watched this team "perform" without him), I'm becoming more and more appreciative of his contribution. It's still a battle, though. As the argument is that the team's leader and benchmark for the rest of the players to follow suit isn't bothering to guard a wide open jumper or is completely ignoring the offensive sets to shoot a lackadaisical off-balanced mid-ranger. But at this point, it's something I'm now going to live with.

The reality is, whether we want to admit it or not, LeBron James is the highest hope for this city and this franchise to win a championship. He's a player that is going to go down as one of the greatest of all time and is a 2x NBA champion. And while pre-injury, I was barking about how entitled he seemed and the fact that he was talking too much while not backing up or setting an example on the court, it's now obvious that this team needs even a 20% LeBron James to have any chance of doing anything.

So I'm at the point in the season when I'm saying "fuck it." If LeBron taking shitty fade-aways and yelling at his teammates is what he thinks is best for this team, then do whatever you have to do. Because the point has been proven: this team needs to follow LeBron's lead and most importantly, he needs to lead for us to have any kind of success.
 
CavsSimmy said:
Often at times, I've noticed that we're overly critical of LeBron James. I was a culprit of this for nearly every game before his injury.

I remember mentioning in a game thread about a month or so back that I thought LeBron looked so lackluster, disengaged and was lacking any sort of contribution, only to have to go back to my post and edit it because I noticed that his stat line read something like 26/11/5.

The problem is that we have such an immortal memory of LeBron James from the first go-round that we hold such a high standard of expectation for him to lift each and every game. And because of that, we criticize him more than anyone else when he falls into the uncharacteristic traits of consecutive missed free throws and wide open dunk botches. When you're suppose to be the best, you're expected to play like the best and any less than perfection will be scrutinized.

Since he's been back from injury (and given the way we watched this team "perform" without him), I'm becoming more and more appreciative of his contribution. It's still a battle, though. As the argument is that the team's leader and benchmark for the rest of the players to follow suit isn't bothering to guard a wide open jumper or is completely ignoring the offensive sets to shoot a lackadaisical off-balanced mid-ranger. But at this point, it's something I'm now going to live with.

The reality is, whether we want to admit it or not, LeBron James is the highest hope for this city and this franchise to win a championship. He's a player that is going to go down as one of the greatest of all time and is a 2x NBA champion. And while pre-injury, I was barking about how entitled he seemed and the fact that he was talking too much while not backing up or setting an example on the court, it's now obvious that this team needs even a 20% LeBron James to have any chance of doing anything.

So I'm at the point in the season when I'm saying "fuck it." If LeBron taking shitty fade-aways and yelling at his teammates is what he thinks is best for this team, then do whatever you have to do. Because the point has been proven: this team needs to follow LeBron's lead and most importantly, he needs to lead for us to have any kind of success.
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Post of the year so far. There are so many issues and LeBron ain't one. I mean he really just shown everyone and all of us what we are with out him. for the man or for us we want this right... A title a ring for this City and counties. We want something so we can say " We love our city and sports" Francona and LeBron are the two biggest names in our city. So either the Indains "great coach shitty ownership" or the Cavs "So-so coach Great ownership" comes into play. Will either one get it here? The fire in them told to to fight the curse. If there is one person who could break the curse it is LeBron and lets pray.
 
Snarly said:
From watching the game I think he was mad at Kyrie. He was being lazy on both O and D in the first half. I felt it through the TV as LeBron you can always tell who he is mad at. I think while pissed he let fans get to him, I do not think he was breaking plays as much as just showing his team "see what I can do by myself" It was a message to the players not the coach. Kyrie came in second half like a new player and LeBron become cool again. Just my take.
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In other words...Lebron was being a leader.
 
cavsfever said:
In other words...Lebron was being a leader.
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Yes by showing what he can do and letting them try to do the same. Basically by him "quitting" in the first quarter was him send the players a message. The coaching staff looked find and at least content with what Bron did. Lead by example and then give a hands on trial. That is how he is teaching this team. He does however have to lead in the media and say we are fine.
 
Snarly said:
Yes by showing what he can do and letting them try to do the same. Basically by him "quitting" in the first quarter was him send the players a message. The coaching staff looked find and at least content with what Bron did. Lead by example and then give a hands on trial. That is how he is teaching this team. He does however have to lead in the media and say we are fine.
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I think Love got the message when he decided he was going to play through the pain. A tangible demonstration of buying-in.
 
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