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I have made this the annual debate in my classroom. Since RCF tends to have strong opinions about taxation, I thought I'd throw this one out there:

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/27309814/berkeley-voters-approve-sugary-drink-tax


Berkeley voters approve sugary drink tax
Posted: Nov 06, 2014 6:19 AM PST

BERKELEY, CA (KRON/CNN) - Voters in California have given the thumbs up to a tax on sugary drinks.
It makes Berkeley the first city in the nation to approve such a measure.


Starting Jan. 1, there will be a one cent per ounce tax on sodas, sports drinks and even the syrup used to sweeten coffee drinks. That tax will be collected from the distributor.

City officials say there is a lot of interest from other municipalities across the country.

"There's a buzz now nationally talking about sugar taxes or soda taxes, I think I probably received 25 emails today from around the country today, Florida, New York and Wisconsin,"said Laurie Capitelli, City Council
The money is supposed to go toward health based
programs like nutrition classes in public schools. But, the city council will determine exactly where the money will go.

Reaction from consumers is mixed.

"The kids today have no idea what it will do to affect them in the future, they have no idea and it's really bad," said Dilia Marillo, a resident

"I think it's a great idea because sugar is what's killing people, and I think it's an incentive to reduce consumption of sugary drinks, and go for alternative drinks," said Rob Glickman, a resident.

"The government went way too far. It's up to private industry to settle these things, it's up to parents to determine what their kids eat or drink, so I didn't vote for that," said Robert Nizza, a resident.

It is unclear how the new tax will affect prices because beverage manufacturers could choose to pay the tax themselves and not pass the cost on to the consumers.

Copyright 2014 KRON via CNN. All rights reserved.


Thoughts?
 
It's despicable. I don't live in Berkeley and never will, but I'm sure the federal government will eventually get in on this too.
 
People who consume more sugar have a higher risk of diabetes AND obesity. Both are a huge financial burden on our healthcare system. I support a tax on sugary products because those who consume excess sugar have a higher risk of burdening our healthcare system, thereby costing all of us money through taxes and insurance premiums. If you want to live unhealthy, foot the bill. I also support the taxes on indoor tanning, cigarettes, and alcohol.

Here's a good article explaining insulin resistance: http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/04/research-links-sugar-consumption-fat-production-and-diabetes/

And another good article on sugary drinks and obesity: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/sugary-drinks-fact-sheet/


This isn't the government telling us what we can or can't do. Nothing is stopping people from drinking Pepsi anymore.
 
People who consume more sugar have a higher risk of diabetes AND obesity. Both are a huge financial burden on our healthcare system. I support a tax on sugary products because those who consume excess sugar have a higher risk of burdening our healthcare system, thereby costing all of us money through taxes and insurance premiums. If you want to live unhealthy, foot the bill. I also support the taxes on indoor tanning, cigarettes, and alcohol.

Here's a good article explaining insulin resistance: http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/04/research-links-sugar-consumption-fat-production-and-diabetes/

And another good article on sugary drinks and obesity: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/sugary-drinks-fact-sheet/


This isn't the government telling us what we can or can't do. Nothing is stopping people from drinking Pepsi anymore.

What about...
Five Guys Fries? Dunkin Donuts Supreme Bagel? Applebee's Quesadilla Burger? Chop't Cobb Salad Wrap? KFC Chicken Bowl? They are 5 of the top 10 unhealthiest fast food options in America due to their fat and bad cholesterol content. You can say all the things you said above about these items. Do we tax any fat foods? Where do we stop? It's a slippery slope.
 
What about...
Five Guys Fries? Dunkin Donuts Supreme Bagel? Applebee's Quesadilla Burger? Chop't Cobb Salad Wrap? KFC Chicken Bowl? They are 5 of the top 10 unhealthiest fast food options in America due to their fat and bad cholesterol content. You can say all the things you said above about these items. Do we tax any fat foods? Where do we stop? It's a slippery slope.

im with max.. MORE TAXES!
 
What about...
Five Guys Fries? Dunkin Donuts Supreme Bagel? Applebee's Quesadilla Burger? Chop't Cobb Salad Wrap? KFC Chicken Bowl? They are 5 of the top 10 unhealthiest fast food options in America due to their fat and bad cholesterol content. You can say all the things you said above about these items. Do we tax any fat foods? Where do we stop? It's a slippery slope.

I guess the real problem is can we trust the government to fairly tax these things and trust them to not increase the tax to levels which make these foods unaffordable, thereby basically telling us what we can and cannot eat? This is probably where it would lead, unfortunately.

I do not support massive taxes on these foods/drinks. A small tax which would be calculated based on the annual cost of obesity/diabetes minus the total average cost of all non-obesity/sugar-related diseases (which would be very difficult to calculate).
 
I guess the real problem is can we trust the government to fairly tax these things and trust them to not increase the tax to levels which make these foods unaffordable, thereby basically telling us what we can and cannot eat? This is probably where it would lead, unfortunately.

I do not support massive taxes on these foods/drinks. A small tax which would be calculated based on the annual cost of obesity/diabetes minus the total average cost of all non-obesity/sugar-related diseases (which would be very difficult to calculate).

What will a small tax do to the obesity rate and diabetes, and the burden that they are on our system? That was your argument in favor of it. Absolutely nothing in my opinion. You said "if you want to live unhealthy, then foot the bill". If that's your true opinion, then they would need to tax the shit out of "unhealthy" foods for them to actually foot the bill.

It's an interesting discussion.
 
I'm of the opinion that we SHOULD tax sugary drinks AND fattening foods... but only if we use the proceeds to subsidize private billion-dollar businesses that have been proven through sound economic studies to have little economic benefit to society at large.

Right @Soda ?!?
 
Either tax it a huge amount or don't bother. In the UK we have really high tax on tobacco. But poor people still smoke. I think sugary drinks are probably nearly as addictive for some people. I doubt the money goes to educating about health or medical needs. I would rather legislation be used on energy drinks as I have had students on ecg s due to caffeine complications
 
What will a small tax do to the obesity rate and diabetes, and the burden that they are on our system? That was your argument in favor of it. Absolutely nothing in my opinion. You said "if you want to live unhealthy, then foot the bill". If that's your true opinion, then they would need to tax the shit out of "unhealthy" foods for them to actually foot the bill.

It's an interesting discussion.

My argument had nothing to do with affecting the rates, it would take a very hefty tax and outright bans on certain foods to do that, and I do not support that. My argument is that the costs to treat these diseases are a burden on everyone and that a small tax would help pay for the increased burden.

Digging a little deeper, after I got to thinking about how we could actually calculate that cost, I came across this study:

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

This study suggests that smokers and obese people actually cost less over their lifetime than do those who live a "healthy" lifestyle.
 
What about...
Five Guys Fries? Dunkin Donuts Supreme Bagel? Applebee's Quesadilla Burger? Chop't Cobb Salad Wrap? KFC Chicken Bowl? They are 5 of the top 10 unhealthiest fast food options in America due to their fat and bad cholesterol content. You can say all the things you said above about these items. Do we tax any fat foods? Where do we stop? It's a slippery slope.

The tax on Five Guys fries is that they already cost ten fucking dollars to begin with. :chuckle:
 
I have made this the annual debate in my classroom. Since RCF tends to have strong opinions about taxation, I thought I'd throw this one out there:

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/27309814/berkeley-voters-approve-sugary-drink-tax


Berkeley voters approve sugary drink tax
Posted: Nov 06, 2014 6:19 AM PST

BERKELEY, CA (KRON/CNN) - Voters in California have given the thumbs up to a tax on sugary drinks.
It makes Berkeley the first city in the nation to approve such a measure.


Starting Jan. 1, there will be a one cent per ounce tax on sodas, sports drinks and even the syrup used to sweeten coffee drinks. That tax will be collected from the distributor.

City officials say there is a lot of interest from other municipalities across the country.

"There's a buzz now nationally talking about sugar taxes or soda taxes, I think I probably received 25 emails today from around the country today, Florida, New York and Wisconsin,"said Laurie Capitelli, City Council
The money is supposed to go toward health based
programs like nutrition classes in public schools. But, the city council will determine exactly where the money will go.

Reaction from consumers is mixed.

"The kids today have no idea what it will do to affect them in the future, they have no idea and it's really bad," said Dilia Marillo, a resident

"I think it's a great idea because sugar is what's killing people, and I think it's an incentive to reduce consumption of sugary drinks, and go for alternative drinks," said Rob Glickman, a resident.

"The government went way too far. It's up to private industry to settle these things, it's up to parents to determine what their kids eat or drink, so I didn't vote for that," said Robert Nizza, a resident.

It is unclear how the new tax will affect prices because beverage manufacturers could choose to pay the tax themselves and not pass the cost on to the consumers.

Copyright 2014 KRON via CNN. All rights reserved.


Thoughts?

Well, we at least can be confident that Berkeley with all never pas a "liberal douchebag" tax.
 
This study suggests that smokers and obese people actually cost less over their lifetime than do those who live a "healthy" lifestyle.

So if the healthy people cost more, why not make them "foot the bill" and tax the shit out of the tofu eaters? @The Oi :chuckle:
 

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