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gourimoko said:
I don't think Chris, King Stannis or Q-Tip (who I disagree with on apparently EVERYTHING including how to breathe) are racists; not remotely.

But you though, you're a fucking racist.
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Uh huh. Tough move there, Rocky.

Let's get back to the subject at hand, shall we?
 
JSS2306 said:
Uh huh. Tough move there, Rocky.

Let's get back to the subject at hand, shall we?
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Who's being tough? What are you preempting me?

I just called you a racist. Because you are.

Racist.
 
gourimoko said:
Who's being tough? What are you preempting me?

I just called you a racist. Because you are.

Racist.
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I'm pretty confident in my ability to sniff out the bullshit. Hell, done it twice now to your views on Trayvon and Brown.

What you thought would happen did not happen. What you vehemently fought for was nothing more than a lie to begin with. It's no coincidence you are pretty much wrong on every front. You defend Islam, you defend thieves, you defend assaulter's. It ain't about race bro. Well it is... according to you. I think that says a lot.

Maybe you should take a break from all things bullshit for awhile.
 
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Damn, I haven't read it all, but this was a pretty interesting thread the last few pages...then Gour just conceded. Wow...didn't see that coming.
 
JSS2306 said:
:party smiley 004:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


That last one sounds really familiar...
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JSS, Gouri might call you racist, and I want to believe that isn't true. You are, however, insanely ignorant. This post has already been ripped to shreads, but a quick google search shows that extremism isn't Islam specific. White Christians/Catholics just got lucky.

Christians actively live burned thousands of people they believed to be witches. Conquistadors ended whole civilizations when they didn't respond to Christianity. Go read up on Ante Pavelic and and his concentration camps. The Norway attacks in 2011 were strictly based on Christian morals, that was 77 people. Add in the millions of people killed during global expansion of the religion by missionaries. I'm sure you get the picture, and will refute it completely.

All of that, and more, gets swept under the rug because you can't see it. It's time to stop pretending. It happened. The atrocities happened. Stop justifying it because it's easy to point a finger at a religion that most know absolutely nothing about.
 
Maximus said:
Damn, I haven't read it all, but this was a pretty interesting thread the last few pages...then Gour just conceded. Wow...didn't see that coming.
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???

I conceded what?
 
JSS2306 said:
See: WW2

Can't say I've heard of any Jews being gassed since...

Interesting concept.

Agreed otherwise.
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But sadly there are still people who believe jews are controlling the financial world, and there are those who believe its OK to kill jews because they are jews and there are those who believe the jews were never gassed during WWII, and entire countries devoting huge resources in an attempt to destroy Israel....

And WWII was not about gassing Jews. That did not become public knowledge until near the end of the war in europe. Then came the international outcry, and public retribution against the perpetators who had not committed suicide in a bunker. And one of the outcomes of that outcry was the re-creation of Israel, which today, some say justifies the belief system above. People choose what to believe, what to deny. So if you cant control what people believe, your only choice is to control what they do about those beliefs. You draw the line at behavior. If hating an ethnic group motivates you to get up in the morning, well that is your problem. Dont make it mine by using it as justifcation for uncivil behavior.
 
Jews do control the financial world...
 
I can not understand how anyone can keep a straight face while saying that Islam is not a part of the problem.
 
No Regard said:
I can not understand how anyone can keep a straight face while saying that Islam is not a part of the problem.
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What's remarkable about that is that the Administration has made explicit statements about terrorism inspired by Christianity. They basically say "we refuse to assign a religious label to these current acts of terrorism, and even so, what about Christians terrorism during the Crusades, or the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa?"
 
The Oi said:
Jews do control the financial world...
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To the extent Jews are represented disproportionately in banking, why does that matter?

I mean, if all Jews took their orders directly from Tel Aviv, and were part of some gigantic plot, then I could see the point. But Jewish people (like Gentiles and everyone else) are generally looking out for the interests of themselves and their families. They're not monolithic. We see the same in law, with jewish people disproportionately represented among lawyers. And you know what? It doesn't make a damn bit of difference. They'll bargain/fight/argue against each other just as hard, and put their interests first. Just like everyone else.
 
Chris said:
They just will never win and that's pretty much fact. The Taliban inflicted casualties over the course of like a decade and a lot of that included IEDs and the such as I mentioned before.
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Well, they can't win if the U.S. continues to oppose them militarily. But if, as some have advocated, we simply withdraw from the region under the misguided, self-absorbed belief that "it's all about us", then they can win.

Obama pulled us out of Iraq, and announced in 2011 (a truly terrible idea) that he that pulling us out of Afghanistan in 2014. We're still there in a reduced capacity, but the more it is perceived that we're willing to pull out when the Taliban is still undefeated, the more we encourage them to hang on, and the tougher we make it for Afghanis who want to fight them.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
What U.S. "stranglehold"? The Ottomans ruled the Arabs for hundreds of years before we had any presence there at all. The French and British both ruled nations in that region as colonies -- we never did. The U.S. was instrumental in breaking French/British control over Egypt, and Suez in particular.

In fact, we basically had zero military presence there until Iraq invaded Kuwait, and radicalism already had a foothold there. As a matter of fact, I remember people saying that Saddam was keeping the lid on a nascent Sunni/Shi'ite civil war in Iraq. How are those pre-existing tensions our fault?

And if you want to point to U.S support that enabled the Saudi regime to stay in power, that pales in comparison to how the Soviets were arming/propping up dictators throughout that region for decades. It's no accident that the vast majority of the fighting over there is done with Soviet-supplied weapons.

Wholly apart from singling us out as the bad guy, or blaming "western interference", the truth is there was plenty of western interference in other parts of the world -- Africa, Asia (India in particular), etc.. Yet, we don't see non-Muslim oppressed Africans exploding bombs in London, or Hindus flying planes into the WTC. There was an extended U.S. occupation of Japan, and we still have troops in Korea. Yet, no Koreans flying planes into the WTC either.

And on the flip side, those two brothers who exploded that bomb at the Boston Marathon were Chechens. When the fuck have we ever oppressed Chechnya? Wouldn't the Russians have objected to that? And those Libyans who just murdered those Coptic Christians -- that's our fault? What "stranglehold" have we ever had over Libya?

There is a common thread among all those incidents, and it's not U.S. oppression.



I'd just add that the exact same thing could be said about Christianity/Catholicism during its darkest days as well.
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The Human Q-Tip said:
What U.S. "stranglehold"? The Ottomans ruled the Arabs for hundreds of years before we had any presence there at all. The French and British both ruled nations in that region as colonies -- we never did. The U.S. was instrumental in breaking French/British control over Egypt, and Suez in particular.

In fact, we basically had zero military presence there until Iraq invaded Kuwait, and radicalism already had a foothold there. As a matter of fact, I remember people saying that Saddam was keeping the lid on a nascent Sunni/Shi'ite civil war in Iraq. How are those pre-existing tensions our fault?

And if you want to point to U.S support that enabled the Saudi regime to stay in power, that pales in comparison to how the Soviets were arming/propping up dictators throughout that region for decades. It's no accident that the vast majority of the fighting over there is done with Soviet-supplied weapons.

Wholly apart from singling us out as the bad guy, or blaming "western interference", the truth is there was plenty of western interference in other parts of the world -- Africa, Asia (India in particular), etc.. Yet, we don't see non-Muslim oppressed Africans exploding bombs in London, or Hindus flying planes into the WTC. There was an extended U.S. occupation of Japan, and we still have troops in Korea. Yet, no Koreans flying planes into the WTC either.


There is a common thread among all those incidents, and it's not U.S. oppression.
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Gour responded to this, but I honestly don't understand why there's a question about Western puppet strings in the ME... had no idea this was a thing to be debated. *shrugs*

I'd just add that the exact same thing could be said about Christianity/Catholicism during its darkest days as well.
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No arguments here. I respect Christian faith.
 
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