Should Vaccination be Mandatory

Ohdang said:

I can google it on my own, I wanted to know what your source was to gain insight on whether you were an idiot or not. This post did the trick, thanks.

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Ohdang said:

I didn't watch the videos because I'm at work but I will when I get home.

To address the text from your post...For one aspartame isn't sugar. Saying sugar is bad for you then citing the negatives of aspartame/sugar substitutes isn't even the same conversation. I questioned your source of info for your claim about sugar, not sugar substitutes.

And second, you made an assumption that I couldn't care less about the diabetes epidemic based on what? Because I'm against people not vaccinating based on misinformation campaigns? And you assume I drink diet coke because why? I work in health care, I'm pro healthy diet and anti-sugar gorging by default.

But I question sugar being worse than measles because measles is a deadly disease that kills a lot of people and sugar is something you choose to put in your body. Hardly comparable.

I won't argue aspartame being bad for you, but that's not what you said that I questioned.

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Ruken said:

I intake a ton of diet coke and I consider myself very healthy. Added sugars/additives need to be taken in moderation. Is a ton of sugar bad for you? Um yes, that is on parents for not giving their kids the proper nutrition.

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Lord Mar said:

Vaccine Inserts Say Recipients are Contagious for 28 Days

http://youtu.be/tiC-gj_Zoik

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Ohdang said:

And second, you made an assumption that I couldn't care less about the diabetes epidemic based on what? Because I'm against people not vaccinating based on misinformation campaigns?

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Dr. Robert Rowen was fortunate enough to have grown up before the advent of MMR, emphasizing that he was "blessed" to have had natural measles, as well as chickenpox, rubella, mumps and various other conditions as a child. He lived, of course, and now no longer has to worry about ever contracting any of these diseases again, thanks to the lifelong immunity he developed.

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"Herd immunity is now shown to be a failure," added Dr. Rowen. "Plastic vaccine immunity wanes with time, rendering possibly a whole generation of vaccine-abused people vulnerable to diseases their bodies might have difficulty handling as adults, while deranging their immune systems for life."

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Sources:

https://www.facebook.com

http://truthwiki.org/Vaccine_Fanaticism

http://truthwiki.org/Medical_Fascism

http://truthwiki.org/Medical_Kidnapping

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Lord Mar said:

http://www.naturalnews.com/048770_MMR_vaccine_measles_immune_damage.html

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MEASLES SPREAD BY THE VACCINATED!
VACCINES MAY BE A GREATER DANGER THAN YOU EVER KNEW!
Worried about measles? If you are vaccinated, you should be. If you are my age, and were lucky enough to get wild measles, you needn’t worry at all.

Measles has been quite stubborn to be wiped out. In China, in one province, 99% of children are vaccinated but measles runs strong. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Clearly measles vaccine doesn’t work as advertised. In fact, in our own country, outbreak after outbreak has occurred in what has been called a fully vaccinated population. One example: Am J Public Health. 1991 Mar ;81(3):360-4. PMID:1994745.

I wrote long ago that we are setting up the younger generation for a potential calamity. See, vaccines give you plastic immunity. They build up only one line of your immune system, the antibody system, and put the main immune system (cellular immunity) to sleep. You need both for fully developed immunity.

Vaccine immunity has been shown to wane with time. And sadly, current measles outbreaks are being blamed on parents who refuse to give immune damaging vaccines to their children, when Chinese and American data shows otherwise. You won’t hear the latter in the news though, but I will tell you!. If I had a school age child now, I’d rush him over to the house with measles (or chicken pox, etc.) to play games there. When my child would get measles, I’d give plenty of vitamin A and also ozone therapy. I’d run the virus out in about half the time or less (by experience with other viruses).

Measles should be feared to some extent. It is REAL hard if an original infection in adults. And, even children will rarely have a bad complication. The death rate is 1-2 in 1,000 cases. But I’d bet I could cut that by 95% with oxidation and vitamin A (in an African outbreak, where up to 80% of complications were reduced with A: Am J Clin Nutr. 1991 Nov;54(5):890-5.). Now I agree that I would not want to be in the 1 in 100,000 group that could have a lethal complication. But is the vaccination worth it with that small risk? Let’s consider.

We have a generation of immune cripples amongst our youth. Asthma, eczema, and other immune diseases are rampant. Autism has exploded. These conditions are reaching crisis. And here’s something you’ve not heard before. Years ago, Sandy Gottstein, an outspoken opponent of forced vaccines in Alaska, introduced me to a researcher now deceased. He told me of research his company did that is beyond frightening.

It was a life-changing encounter for me, forever altering my attitude about vaccines. He detailed research on mice and explained: The immature thymus gland is similar to the immature ovary. It comes into the world with so many (but a fixed number) primitive thymocytes (thymus immune cells), each of which has the potential to develop into a full line of immunity against a pathogen. But, they are finite, "like the eggs in an ovary.” His work found that when given vaccines, like those our rulers mandate to our children, the thymus glands of the young rodents got depleted of these precious irreplaceable cells, up to a 70% loss. I was shocked. This is analogous to a 70% loss of key immune function, and, which is permanent! Imagine losing 70% of the muscle of your heart. Yes, you would be a cardiac cripple.

Natural Killer T cells come from the thymus. They regulate your immune system. Natural infection keeps up these cells. Vaccination might wipe them out. The depletion of thymocytes might wipe out whole lines of cells that could provide key immunity for you. For example, instead of an army holding 100 tanks against an invader, your system might only have 30. Not good odds for you.

Many people have focused on autism, and totally neglected the horrors that vaccines are wreaking on the rest of the body, particularly this frightening story about the thymus gland, and how derangement might lead to future hypersensitivity, like found in asthma and eczema.

I was blessed to have had measles, chicken pox, rubella, mumps and more. Research is showing that if we live in a sterile environment, our immune systems become weak. While there is a small risk of complications from childhood diseases (which risk, in my opinion likely could be nearly eliminated by oxidation therapies) there could be a far, far greater risk of permanent immune dysfunction, and even cancer, which the pundits will never look for, or even be able to trace back to the source. Even horrific polio complications were mitigated 3 generations ago by ozone’s sister therapy, ultraviolet blood irradiation therapy and intravenous vitamin C.

I don’t agree with the forced vaccine program. Herd immunity is now shown to be a failure. Plastic vaccine immunity wanes with time, rendering possibly a whole generation of vaccine-abused people vulnerable to diseases their bodies might have difficulty handling as adults, while deranging their immune systems for life. Please look to vaccine failure BEOFRE condemning moms who rightfully don’t want to place their precious children in harm’s way with Pharma’s now discredited potions.

PS. If vaccines were the cat’s meow, why would the American government have granted vaccine makers total immunity from liability if the vaccine harms your child or you? (On a personal note, I believe this is a violation of your God given Rights.) Something smells rancid here. I do therapies that don’t hurt people, but you don’t see government granting me immunity from negligence, like it has for Pharma.
PPS I continue to humbly ask that you "LIKE" this page and share it with others so that we can grow this family and move towards "health medicine" instead of "disease maintenance". Thank you!

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Mr. Bishop, you could be a bit more polite.
My credentials include BA from Johns Hopkins University, Phi Beta Kappa, MD from UCSF 1975. Double board certification and recertification in 2 major specialties: family Practice and Emergency Medicine (few doctors achieve this). I let the certifications lapse due to onerous requirements that were not relevant to my current interests. I sat on a State Medical Board. I got the nation's first law passed protecting alternative medicine against the name callers and Pharma interests.
I will tell you that, in 1990, when the "medical mob" in Alaska was doing everything in its power to discredit me and drive me out for advocating rationality in medicine (healing rather than drug pushing), one gruff doctor stood up and said, "Let's attack his credentials." He was immediately silenced by another who said publicly, "Don't even dare try. His credentials are stronger than your own." They backed down and there were no further attacks of the kind.

Sad that we seek to destroy a man himself rather than go after the information he bears. Please go after my information fairly and openly. Destroy the information and science if you will. I will appreciate that, but not appreciate a personal attack, which is generally the MOA of cowards and those who have lost the battle. The man who got conventional idiot doctors to finally wash their hands to reduce infant and maternal deaths in the 1800s was castigated and ended up in an insane asylum before finally those who scorned him recognized him as a hero. Please look him up - Ignaz Semmelweis. He did not have the esteemed credentials of those who were spreading disease from one mom to another by not washing hands. He was laughed at. In the meantime, thousands of babies and moms died. I wonder now about the thousands of vaccine injuries that are needlessly occurring due to similar mentality.
I also suggest that you visit my you tube channel www.youtube.com/user/RobertRowenMD and look at what my patients have to say about my work, conventional credentials or not.

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Lord Mar said:

- Dr. Robert J. Rowen

Worried about measles? If you are vaccinated, you should be. If you are my age, and were lucky enough to get wild measles, you needn’t worry at all.

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