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shoes22 said:
That's because very few point guards are actually any good at defense. Especially early in their careers.
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That's not the point. A great defensive guard isn't going to have the same impact on that end that a great defensive big is. Hardly anyone in the NBA is good at defense early in their careers.
 
godfather said:
Disagree. We're talking talent here. Westbrook is more explosive than Kyrie, but he doesn't have the ability to score in multiple facets the way Kyrie can.

I don't know if I'd say Kyrie is more talented, but he's every bit as talented as Westbrook, totally different players.

Look, there's no debate, Westrbook and Curry are two best at their position right now. No one is saying Kyrie is in those two's league just yet. But people need to remember, they are already entering their prime. They're older and more seasoned players than Kyrie. They've taken gigantic leaps compared to where they were at Kyrie's age. So right now, yeah, they are better players. There's no denying that.

Kyrie is much younger, and he's going to get better as a player too. Will he be as good at them one day? I don't know, but he's definitely capable of. I don't know how anyone can say definitely not, given Kyrie is still very young and has a lot room to still grow as a player.

Kyrie is every bit as talented as those two, his game just hasn't yet evolved like Westbrook and Curry's yet.
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Agree with everything in your post except I think I would place CP3 ahead of Russ in the point guard rankings. He gets underrated because he's been on top for so long, but he still leads the league in assists, defends at a high level, and runs an offense better than anyone in the league. Plus he's efficient and scores when his team needs him to.
 
1) Curry


2) Paul

3) Westbrook
4) Irving

5) Conley/Lillard
 
SO many good point guards in the league

Not many in the west who show it when it matters, in the postseason

Kyrie can take over that real quick since we in the east
 
Still don't see wich area Kyrie shines over steph other than just being way, way cooler. Steph pretty much has his entire skill set but better.
 
Rip The Jacker said:
Still don't see wich area Kyrie shines over steph other than just being way, way cooler. Steph pretty much has his entire skill set but better.
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Kyrie shouldn't even be near Steph in any facet, as Steph is 27 years old and completely developed. Kyrie is 22. If Irving makes he same level of progress Steph has made over the next 5 years, he will be right there as an MVP candidate himself. Possibly one of the greatest scorers to ever play point guard in the history of the NBA!
 
MaccabiCavs said:
How old are you? o_O did you watch the 100 point game?
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not old enough to see the 100 point game (which wasn't televised or filmed), my first memories of basketball are watching Kareem vs Wilt in the NBA and rookie Dr J in the ABA (I lived in virginia then).
 
godfather said:
Disagree. We're talking talent here. Westbrook is more explosive than Kyrie, but he doesn't have the ability to score in multiple facets the way Kyrie can.

I don't know if I'd say Kyrie is more talented, but he's every bit as talented as Westbrook, totally different players.
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What multiple facets do you speak of? I see only one facet that Kyrie has over Russ and thats the 3 ball. Everything is pretty much equal that involves finishing around the rim, taking man off dribble, mid range shot, FT line, i mean where is the second facet to back up your 'multiple'?

I think Russ is the better player right now only because he carried that team much of the season in the tough west with a playoff spot. I never seen Kyrie carry us like he is doing for them until LeBron came. Basically if Kyrie would of willed us to at least and 8th seed once then im not even typing this.

And im not downplaying Kyrie either, im ecstatic we have him locked up and would rather have him over Russ because I've came accustomed to his style of play.
 
Rip The Jacker said:
Still don't see wich area Kyrie shines over steph other than just being way, way cooler. Steph pretty much has his entire skill set but better.
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Steph is very good... like his game.. is a great shooter... he has no where near the handles or ability to finish around the rim like Kyrie though.. IMO Kyrie is a very good shooter...Steph is probably better but it is pretty damn close at times...Steph is very good though...not many flaws in his game
 
wremy said:
Steph is very good... like his game.. is a great shooter... he has no where near the handles or ability to finish around the rim like Kyrie though.. IMO Kyrie is a very good shooter...Steph is probably better but it is pretty damn close at times...Steph is very good though...not many flaws in his game
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You realize Curry has a better percentage at the rim than Kyrie, right?

And pretty much every NBA analyst puts Curry's handles T-1 with Kyrie's soooo.

No reason to be a homer. Curry has carried a meh team to the playoffs. Kyrie had his worst season last year trying to carry a team to the playoffs. Curry at this point is a better player.
 
nikolajz1 said:
You realize Curry has a better percentage at the rim than Kyrie, right?

And pretty much every NBA analyst puts Curry's handles T-1 with Kyrie's soooo.

No reason to be a homer. Curry has carried a meh team to the playoffs. Kyrie had his worst season last year trying to carry a team to the playoffs. Curry at this point is a better player.
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Agree with you, except I think Kyrie's handles are slightly better. Curry is a better shooter though and probably a slightly better finisher.
 
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