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Ray Farmer Suspended 4 Games for Text-Gate

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Soda said:
Grossi, who we should all take with a grain of salt, said the Patriots are about to not get punished due to lack of evidence. I just don't get how having the balls you're responsible for underinflated during the game isn't evidence.
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I can understand if they don't have the evidence to punish Brady or the Hoodie, but something happened to those footballs. All the Colts' footballs were fine despite being in the same weather conditions.
 
spydy13 said:
I can understand if they don't have the evidence to punish Brady or the Hoodie, but something happened to those footballs. All the Colts' footballs were fine despite being in the same weather conditions.
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That's what I'm saying! Isn't it a "rule broken" if the balls were underinflated under their watch? In that case, wouldn't that be the most important part? Sounds like that is the mentality being applied to the Browns' penalty.
 
Deny til you die, works out pretty well.

The Browns and Falcons were caught red-handed, and admitted it. The Pats have the opportunity to deny it, so they did. Not much can circle back to them without some sort of admission or recently-fired offensive coordinator turning them in.
 
Jack Brickman said:
If we lost a second rounder for this, even though, as stated, no competitive advantage was gained, I'll be livid. You just know the Patriots are going to get a slap on the wrist for actually cheating in a playoff game (and probably other games before that too), meanwhile we're about to get the hammer for something that was just one guy's stupidity and didn't give us any advantage.
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Has it been proven yet the Patriots did this? The Browns have been proven to have broken the rule.

Not sure how people are failing to see the difference. We have no idea what the Patriots will get, because the investigation into whether they deliberately deflated the footballs knowingly, or not, has yet to be decided.

The Browns were proven to have broken the rules. It's been well acknowledge Farmer did this. They broke the rules, that's the bottom line.

Fair, or foul of the punishment. I think you should blame Farmer, for being this stupid and careless.

I mean, it's no secret Goodell is a douche bag, and it really shouldn't come to anyone's surprise if caught breaking the rules, even if it seems pretty petty and harmless to you, then you're likely going to pay the price.

Stop doing stupid shit, that would be the easier solution to all of this.
 
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godfather said:
Has it been proven yet the Patriots did this?
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How in the shit is having the balls under your watch underinflated not evidence?

If the Patriots didn't do it, who the hell did? Are you contending that they shouldn't be held responsible for things under their watch? Because that is exactly what you're saying the Browns should be responsible for. Bill Belechick was being "stupid and careless" by allowing a staffer to control the footballs without his knowledge.
 
Soda said:
How in the shit is having the balls under your watch underinflated not evidence?

If the Patriots didn't do it, who the hell did? Are you contending that they shouldn't be held responsible for things under their watch? Because that is exactly what you're saying the Browns should be responsible for. Bill Belechick was being "stupid and careless" by allowing a staffer to control the footballs without his knowledge.
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Wonder what your take on this would be if we replaced Patriots with Browns.
 
I think the league should give the Browns a couple more picks for showing continual incompetence. Hell, even encourage them to cheat a little more often. Maybe have the Browns and Pats swap selections after the pick is made, that way we wont just dick that up too.
 
AZ_ said:
Wonder what your take on this would be if we replaced Patriots with Browns.
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Clearly, I'd be more supportive of the Browns. I can admit that.

But, why do you keep side-stepping the question? Because it's a good point?
 
Soda said:
How in the shit is having the balls under your watch underinflated not evidence?

If the Patriots didn't do it, who the hell did? Are you contending that they shouldn't be held responsible for things under their watch? Because that is exactly what you're saying the Browns should be responsible for. Bill Belechick was being "stupid and careless" by allowing a staffer to control the footballs without his knowledge.
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So, we should just punish people regardless, of whether or not they're actually responsible?

What if the Colts did it? Not likely, but there are a lot of scenarios to consider, instead of just rushing to judgment, and punishing people without going over the facts. I'd really hate if the NFL started jumping to judgment that fast. Because if they were to do that to the Patriots, an organization obviously you don't love, but who is to say they won't do that to everyone going forward? Do that to the Browns in the future?

I am honestly laughing, if people really believe there's some conspiracy, where Goodell is willing to give the Patriots a slap on the wrist.

Did they not get a pretty good penalty over spygate? They were docked a first rounder, that's a pretty heavy price to me.

If you are going to break the rules, at least be smart about it. Which we clearly aren't. I am more embarrassed than anything about this text gate. They almost deserve it just from stupidity alone. I doubt anything malicious happen, but that's almost the point. They broke a rule over something so stupid, and you can't help but just shake your head, laugh, and say what a complete moron.

I have no idea why you are comparing the general manager clearly violating the rules, to some ball boy that may, or may not have manipulated the footballs. When at this point no one has a reasonable explanation of what happen to the footballs.

We have a full understanding that Farmer was texting to coaches during the games.

Not at all outraged at the NFL. Not sure what people were seriously expecting too.
 
Soda said:
Clearly, I'd be more supportive of the Browns. I can admit that.

But, why do you keep side-stepping the question? Because it's a good point?
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It's not, really.

Unless the league can prove the Patriots ordered the change in footballs, or they admit to it...there isn't much the NFL can do to punish them.

If you want an actual severe punishment regarding footballs being under regulated weight? Eh...that's not going to have much severity.
 
AZ_ said:
It's not, really.
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So, the deflated balls is not a violation of the rules? I thought they had to be within a certain range. I must be mistaken.

Roger Goodell contends that the content of the text message isn't as important as the fact that a rule was broken. I see a rule broken by New England as well as by the Browns.

If we're going to also contend that the Browns are responsible for what happens under their watch, which you guys are saying, why is this not the same for things under the Patriots' watch? Help me with that.
 
Soda said:
So, the deflated balls is not a violation of the rules? I thought they had to be within a certain range. I must be mistaken.

Roger Goodell contends that the content of the text message isn't as important as the fact that a rule was broken. I see a rule broken by New England as well as by the Browns.

If we're going to also contend that the Browns are responsible for what happens under their watch, which you guys are saying, why is this not the same for things under the Patriots' watch? Help me with that.
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It is against the rules, but unless you can prove malicious intent to gain competitive advantage, the hands are tied in terms of making any sort of dent with a punishment.
 
godfather said:
So, we should just punish people regardless, of whether or not they're actually responsible?

What if the Colts did it? Not likely, but there are a lot of scenarios to consider, instead of just rushing to judgment, and punishing people without going over the facts. I'd really hate if the NFL started jumping to judgment that fast. Because if they were to do that to the Patriots, an organization obviously you don't love, but who is to say they won't do that to everyone going forward? Do that to the Browns in the future?

I am honestly laughing, if people really believe there's some conspiracy, where Goodell is willing to give the Patriots a slap on the wrist.

Did they not get a pretty good penalty over spygate? They were docked a first rounder, that's a pretty heavy price to me.

If you are going to break the rules, at least be smart about it. Which we clearly aren't. I am more embarrassed than anything about this text gate. They almost deserve it just from stupidity alone. I doubt anything malicious happen, but that's almost the point. They broke a rule over something so stupid, and you can't help but just shake your head, laugh, and say what a complete moron.

I have no idea why you are comparing the general manager clearly violating the rules, to some ball boy that may, or may not have manipulated the footballs. When at this point no one has a reasonable explanation of what happen to the footballs.

We have a full understanding that Farmer was texting to coaches during the games.

Not at all outraged at the NFL. Not sure what people were seriously expecting too.
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I don't think you understand my view. Or the context of what Goodell said in his presser. Therefore, I don't think we're going anywhere.

Also, if I hate the Pats, then you're head over heels for Tom Brady.
 
AZ_ said:
It is against the rules, but unless you can prove malicious intent to gain competitive advantage, the hands are tied in terms of making any sort of dent with a punishment.
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Ok, that's fair. If you contend that the Patriots won't get much punishment, then I can understand.

If we're talking about intent, be it malicious or not, then I have to bring up what Goodell actually said.

"Any violation of our rules is something we take seriously,'' Goodell said at his closing press conference at the NFL annual meeting. "It affects the integrity of the game. All 32 teams need to be operating under the same rules. I think our clubs expect that and our fans expect that.

"So any violation of that is treated seriously. I have not been brought up to speed on that (the Farmer situation) in the last couple of days. Obviously, I've been here. But I'm sure there'll be a focus on it in the next couple days."

Goodell said Troy Vincent, NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations, is handling the investigation, which included a trip to the Browns facility to interview the parties involved.

Goodell said the fact the texts were opinions and nothing designed to give the Browns a competitive advantage will undoubtedly factor in, but that the Browns still broke the rules.

"I want to be careful on making any comments until after we've gotten all the facts and I've had an opportunity to review them,'' he said. "Troy Vincent has been focused on this with our staff. There are of course mitigating factors and factors that you have to consider. But the violation of the rule and the integrity of the rule is not necessarily whether you got an advantage or not.

"It's the fact that you broke the rule. That's a more general comment. We don't want people breaking the rules. There are 32 clubs who are going to be operating under the same rules.''
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So, again, I'm just wondering how people are lambasting the Browns while marginalizing the rule broken by the Pats. I don't see how this would bring you to question me. I'm asking a pretty simple question about 32 clubs operating under the same rules.
 
Soda said:
So, the deflated balls is not a violation of the rules? I thought they had to be within a certain range. I must be mistaken.

Roger Goodell contends that the content of the text message isn't as important as the fact that a rule was broken. I see a rule broken by New England as well as by the Browns.

If we're going to also contend that the Browns are responsible for what happens under their watch, which you guys are saying, why is this not the same for things under the Patriots' watch? Help me with that.
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Ray Farmer, general manager, was directly responsible. The Patriots footballs were deflated, which they're required to be a a specific regulation. We have no idea how they got that way.

I don't see how you can penalize a franchise, when you have no idea what really happen. We know what happen with the Browns, we don't know how the footballs got deflated, and who was responsible on the Patriots, if anyone was responsible at all.

How do we know anyone involved in the Patriots did this? Because it happen under their watch, implies, someone involved in the Patriots did this! We have no clue right now!

It's quite obvious that someone did something, but bottom line is if you don't know, how the hell do you punish a team for something they weren't proven to have done themselves?

I don't know why you keep bringing up under their watch, when you can't specifically tell me who under their watched was involved in this.

We know who was involved in the Browns textgate under their watch.

Me being a fan of Tom Brady, not the Patriots as an organization, is besides the point.
 
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