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Well, as an "average poster," from where I'm standing, I'm having a hard time understanding how you can deny Blatt any credit the way that you (and most of the media) have been denying it. I don't think you personally hate the guy or anything, but most of your posts after Cavs have a big win are something along the lines of "Blatt did an ok job, but you can't really attribute any of the good things that happened to him."

I've followed Blatt's career for over a decade now, and I can see his fingerprints in a lot of the things the Cavs do, because I've seen him doing it many times before. I've seen him, almost every season, pull a role player or two out of the hat that end up getting him big wins. I've seen him struggle early in seasons while he learns his players' strengths and weaknesses, only to adapt to their style later and significantly overachieve. I've seen turn teams with average talent into suffocatingly defensive teams that just frustrate the life out of their vastly-more-talented opponents and cause them to make silly frustration mistakes.

If you look at the entire year leading up to this series - Coach Bud's (reigning coach of the year) team was amazing in the first two thirds of the season, but peaked too early and it's easy to see that he showed all his cards during the RS (including against the Cavs, who he knew would be his likely ECF rival), and had no more rabbits to pull out of the hat. Blatt, OTOH, is getting a team who has essentially lost two of its big three (and the third is playing arguably the worst basketball of his career) and was not deep enough to be expected to endure these losses, to play maybe the best defense in the NBA and beat teams that many people were picking over them prior to the playoffs when they were fully healthy. He is doing it by getting everyone to play together, play tough defense, and allowing the role players to thrive by emphasizing the strengths of each of these players (TT's rebounding, Shump's defense, JR's shooting, etc.). And I know he has a big part in their success because that's how he has won his entire career.

This is why the media's constant digs on him as a "rookie coach" are extremely unprofessional and lazy. Blatt has a track record, and he has fingerprints as a coach. If you want to really know what he is doing all you have to do is compare what he is doing now with what he has done in the past. But the media and many fans are too lazy to do that and are content with the "rookie coach" label, because actually learning something about the guy they are scrutinizing would be too much work. It's much easier to spew the same "LeBron is the coach of the Cavs" BS.
I agree with everything you just wrote. So many times I see something and it feels so familiar... I guess many others here, knowing Blatt's teams from the past, feel like me.

* The backup point guard who got a chance because of his character and defense, and eventually showed it was a good investment in the critical moments, with good offense as a bonus. (Delly/Ohayon)
* The energetic "big guy" who becomes a defense threat and is there to rebound every ball in the last minutes. (TT/Tyus)
* The shooter that under Blatt got the credit to take whatever shots he wanted, as long as he puts more effort in his defense, and eventually kills teams in his own hands (J.R./Blu)
* The player who kill other teams with his defense (Shump/Perkins)
* The frustration of the other team when suddenly (in the 3rd quarter usually) they cannot shot anything from anywhere.
* The big crisis in the middle of the season.
* The loses in the games that don't matter, and the big wins to come after them.
* The criticism from the media.
* The quantity of games which are won by luck, which let you think "Is it really luck??"

So people like me, who are believers, know what is the last thing on this list:

* The championship.



And then, by the way, the reporters usually split into 2 groups:
1. Those who admit their mistake.
2. Those who suddenly stop to write for a few months.
 
I said this in the ECF thread a few days ago, but coach Bud is really predictable. His big wrinkle in this game was playing two point guards at once more often. Wow, literally article I read before game 1 predicted that change. All LeBron did was draw a switch until a point guard was on him, then he outmuscled the point guard for easy buckets. Coach Bud never adjusted aside from tossing Bazemore out there against LeBron. The Hawks would need a systemic defense to slow LeBron down, with different double teams in different parts of the court. That is really their only hope when they go to double point guards.
 
I said this in the ECF thread a few days ago, but coach Bud is really predictable. His big wrinkle in this game was playing two point guards at once more often. Wow, literally article I read before game 1 predicted that change. All LeBron did was draw a switch until a point guard was on him, then he outmuscled the point guard for easy buckets. Coach Bud never adjusted aside from tossing Bazemore out there against LeBron. The Hawks would need a systemic defense to slow LeBron down, with different double teams in different parts of the court. That is really their only hope when they go to double point guards.

He didn't run the 2 point guard sets for defense but I see what you're saying and that will continue to be a double edged sword going forward. Then again, it appeared to work when that Schroeder/Teague combo torched us with Kyrie, Delly, and Tristan on the floor in either the 2nd or 3rd quarter.
 
I strongly disagree.

The most pivotal game-changing aspect of this game was the defensive adjustments made by Blatt in the 2nd half.

If the Cavs continue to play the same defense they did in the 1st, where the Hawks simply dismantle them at will - no amount of crazy shots by JR would've mattered.

Blatt's ability to adjust on the fly during the break (an ability he has shown to be one of the best in the NBA at throughout the season and these playoffs) won that game.

It was extremely impressive to watch.

Agreed. It's refreshing to see a coach actually...well, coach and make adjustments in critical situations. I still have PTSD flashbacks when thinking about that Orlando ECF series in 2009 with Mike Brown.

I am tired of Blatt getting torched. He doesn't deserve it and I think he's done an incredible job with the situation he's been in all year. The next time you get irritated with Blatt for holding Mozgov out far too long (believe me, I've yelled at my TV too), never forget that we could be dealing with this again:

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I agree with everything you just wrote. So many times I see something and it feels so familiar... I guess many others here, knowing Blatt's teams from the past, feel like me.

* The backup point guard who got a chance because of his character and defense, and eventually showed it was a good investment in the critical moments, with good offense as a bonus. (Delly/Ohayon)
* The energetic "big guy" who becomes a defense threat and is there to rebound every ball in the last minutes. (TT/Tyus)
* The shooter that under Blatt got the credit to take whatever shots he wanted, as long as he puts more effort in his defense, and eventually kills teams in his own hands (J.R./Blu)
* The player who kill other teams with his defense (Shump/Perkins)
* The frustration of the other team when suddenly (in the 3rd quarter usually) they cannot shot anything from anywhere.
* The big crisis in the middle of the season.
* The loses in the games that don't matter, and the big wins to come after them.
* The criticism from the media.
* The quantity of games which are won by luck, which let you think "Is it really luck??"

So people like me, who are believers, know what is the last thing on this list:

* The championship.



And then, by the way, the reporters usually split into 2 groups:
1. Those who admit their mistake.
2. Those who suddenly stop to write for a few months.

You missed out one key guy from the past season,
Tyrese Rice, a low salary player that saw minimal minutes in the beginning of the season, and played terrible to the point he was almost cut from the team, But Blatt saw the diamond in the rough and showed confidence in him in spite the criticism the fans and media gave him for this, and then in the final four, boom he exploded and dominated the games and earned them the title.

In can see Delly being the same story here, even though I would like to see a few more performances like in game 6 (mainly on offense, on D he's pretty good all the playoffs so far) before coming to a conclusion.
 
It's simple really....would you prefer Blatt or Mike Brown in this situation? One superstar out...one badly hobbled...How would MB have handled this?
“Hey LeBron, you know that non-stop ISO you did at the end of the 4th? More of that.”
 
Well, as an "average poster," from where I'm standing, I'm having a hard time understanding how you can deny Blatt any credit the way that you (and most of the media) have been denying it. I don't think you personally hate the guy or anything, but most of your posts after Cavs have a big win are something along the lines of "Blatt did an ok job, but you can't really attribute any of the good things that happened to him."

I've followed Blatt's career for over a decade now, and I can see his fingerprints in a lot of the things the Cavs do, because I've seen him doing it many times before. I've seen him, almost every season, pull a role player or two out of the hat that end up getting him big wins. I've seen him struggle early in seasons while he learns his players' strengths and weaknesses, only to adapt to their style later and significantly overachieve. I've seen turn teams with average talent into suffocatingly defensive teams that just frustrate the life out of their vastly-more-talented opponents and cause them to make silly frustration mistakes.
There is a big difference between denying Blatt any credit and saying he is receiving too much credit. I've followed Lebron's career for a decade, and everything you said in your second paragraph applies to him too. So why are you attributing the turnaround to Blatt and not Lebron?

The facts are what they are - this team completely rejected Blatt's offense, was incredibly disappointing offensively and especially defensively for a large portion of the year, and had a sudden turnaround immediately after significantly upgrading three positions via trade and a fourth via two weeks off. Occam's razor says the influx of talent is the reason for the turnaround, not Blatt all of a sudden getting the team to listen to him. Blatt certainly gets some credit for recent success, but this team is not playing right now without the addition of Moz/Shump/JR. We are a defensive juggernaut because of Delly, Shump, JR, Lebron and Mozgov. What are we doing differently now that we were not at the beginning of the year? We are running the same sets except now we have an elite perimeter defender in Shump, a rim protector, and Lebron actually trying.

This is why the media's constant digs on him as a "rookie coach" are extremely unprofessional and lazy. Blatt has a track record, and he has fingerprints as a coach. If you want to really know what he is doing all you have to do is compare what he is doing now with what he has done in the past. But the media and many fans are too lazy to do that and are content with the "rookie coach" label, because actually learning something about the guy they are scrutinizing would be too much work. It's much easier to spew the same "LeBron is the coach of the Cavs" BS.
Who gives a fuck about what the media says? Seriously. What does some keyboard jockey have to do with our play on the floor? I will never understand this need that people have to fervently defend our team against guys who get paid to piss you off.

Lebron is the coach of the Cavs. Let's take the game yesterday. He decides to play in the post and utterly dominates. Anyone with eyes can see that he should be doing this every game. Blatt almost certainly has shown Lebron the tape and told him to work down there. Yet he does every few games at most. So who is actually in charge? Or look at the 4th quarter. Leiso once again stalls us and makes the game way closer than it should have been. Did Blatt make that call? If so, how can you defend that? If not, who is actually in charge?

This sounds harsh, but I do not mean it as a criticism of Blatt. I have consistently said that he is in an impossible position because of Lebron's lack of buying in. People can talk about how good of a coach Blatt is, and I agree that he is, but the facts show that we started playing well when we got some talent and we go where Lebron takes us. To give Blatt credit for Shump's incredible defense or JR's shooting or TT's hustle is really disrespectful to the players.
 
I said this in the ECF thread a few days ago, but coach Bud is really predictable. His big wrinkle in this game was playing two point guards at once more often. Wow, literally article I read before game 1 predicted that change. All LeBron did was draw a switch until a point guard was on him, then he outmuscled the point guard for easy buckets. Coach Bud never adjusted aside from tossing Bazemore out there against LeBron. The Hawks would need a systemic defense to slow LeBron down, with different double teams in different parts of the court. That is really their only hope when they go to double point guards.

So are you saying he's basically the offensive version of Mike Brown?
 
Yeah. Lebron has a bad post season, well for his standards, we are down one all nba player and one allstar. Lebron does not prepare defensive schemes and general plan of attack. No1 defense does not come from one player dictating it all.
 
You know how many line ups blatt throws out there?

Try creating a game plan against that.
 
There is a big difference between denying Blatt any credit and saying he is receiving too much credit. I've followed Lebron's career for a decade, and everything you said in your second paragraph applies to him too. So why are you attributing the turnaround to Blatt and not Lebron?

The facts are what they are - this team completely rejected Blatt's offense, was incredibly disappointing offensively and especially defensively for a large portion of the year, and had a sudden turnaround immediately after significantly upgrading three positions via trade and a fourth via two weeks off. Occam's razor says the influx of talent is the reason for the turnaround, not Blatt all of a sudden getting the team to listen to him. Blatt certainly gets some credit for recent success, but this team is not playing right now without the addition of Moz/Shump/JR. We are a defensive juggernaut because of Delly, Shump, JR, Lebron and Mozgov. What are we doing differently now that we were not at the beginning of the year? We are running the same sets except now we have an elite perimeter defender in Shump, a rim protector, and Lebron actually trying.


Who gives a fuck about what the media says? Seriously. What does some keyboard jockey have to do with our play on the floor? I will never understand this need that people have to fervently defend our team against guys who get paid to piss you off.

Lebron is the coach of the Cavs. Let's take the game yesterday. He decides to play in the post and utterly dominates. Anyone with eyes can see that he should be doing this every game. Blatt almost certainly has shown Lebron the tape and told him to work down there. Yet he does every few games at most. So who is actually in charge? Or look at the 4th quarter. Leiso once again stalls us and makes the game way closer than it should have been. Did Blatt make that call? If so, how can you defend that? If not, who is actually in charge?

This sounds harsh, but I do not mean it as a criticism of Blatt. I have consistently said that he is in an impossible position because of Lebron's lack of buying in. People can talk about how good of a coach Blatt is, and I agree that he is, but the facts show that we started playing well when we got some talent and we go where Lebron takes us. To give Blatt credit for Shump's incredible defense or JR's shooting or TT's hustle is really disrespectful to the players.

I just can't stand the back and forth debate on who deserves the the credit Blatt or Lebron, as if giving credit to one has to take away the credit of the other.

This is just DAMM WRONG,
The formula for a successful great team must have the components of great players (and even better having a superstar included), and great coaching plus good chemistry and teamwork, take out one of the above and you won't get too far.

The same is with this team, I am convinced that this team without Lebron (and no superpower instead of him) would be done with the season by now, on the other hand I am evenly convinced that without Blatt (and not having a elite coach instead of him) we also would be done by now, especially with the injuries, and then once again even by having Lebron and Blatt, but without the sacrifice, heart, grit, fight, teamwork etc., from the rest of the guys, we also would not be here.

So the mindset of knocking one in order to praise the other has to go, that is just ongoing nonsense!
So lets please GET THAT STUFF OUTA HERE!

All the mentioned parties plus coaching staff GM and ownership, deserve great amounts of credit for getting to this point despite the adversity and injuries, So lets all join hands and credit our TEAM (all of its components) and hope they will get even more credit in a few weeks from now.
 
There is a big difference between denying Blatt any credit and saying he is receiving too much credit. I've followed Lebron's career for a decade, and everything you said in your second paragraph applies to him too. So why are you attributing the turnaround to Blatt and not Lebron?

The facts are what they are - this team completely rejected Blatt's offense, was incredibly disappointing offensively and especially defensively for a large portion of the year, and had a sudden turnaround immediately after significantly upgrading three positions via trade and a fourth via two weeks off. Occam's razor says the influx of talent is the reason for the turnaround, not Blatt all of a sudden getting the team to listen to him. Blatt certainly gets some credit for recent success, but this team is not playing right now without the addition of Moz/Shump/JR. We are a defensive juggernaut because of Delly, Shump, JR, Lebron and Mozgov. What are we doing differently now that we were not at the beginning of the year? We are running the same sets except now we have an elite perimeter defender in Shump, a rim protector, and Lebron actually trying.


Who gives a fuck about what the media says? Seriously. What does some keyboard jockey have to do with our play on the floor? I will never understand this need that people have to fervently defend our team against guys who get paid to piss you off.

Lebron is the coach of the Cavs. Let's take the game yesterday. He decides to play in the post and utterly dominates. Anyone with eyes can see that he should be doing this every game. Blatt almost certainly has shown Lebron the tape and told him to work down there. Yet he does every few games at most. So who is actually in charge? Or look at the 4th quarter. Leiso once again stalls us and makes the game way closer than it should have been. Did Blatt make that call? If so, how can you defend that? If not, who is actually in charge?

This sounds harsh, but I do not mean it as a criticism of Blatt. I have consistently said that he is in an impossible position because of Lebron's lack of buying in. People can talk about how good of a coach Blatt is, and I agree that he is, but the facts show that we started playing well when we got some talent and we go where Lebron takes us. To give Blatt credit for Shump's incredible defense or JR's shooting or TT's hustle is really disrespectful to the players.


Lebron sitting out wasn't a wake up call to just the coach. The players really realized they weren't getting it done defensively. Offense was almost never a problem. Had to hit bottom before they could really play right instead of relying on talent

In terms of the Leiso at the end. It didn't work until Blatt drew up a play to get another big out of the paint.

So far he is outcoaching some pretty good coaches. I have seen roleplayers wilt when Lebron lost confidence. Blatt has gotten these guys to believe in themselves and each other. I dont have any doubt's.
 
I just can't stand the back and forth debate on who deserves the the credit Blatt or Lebron, as if giving credit to one has to take away the credit of the other.
I pretty much agree with this. I also like talking basketball, and any non superficial discussion will bring this subject up. Poor logic and reasoning also needs to be pointed out (and please do so people if you find it in my posts).

I am evenly convinced that without Blatt (and not having a elite coach instead of him) we also would be done by now
Do you really believe this?
 
To give Blatt credit for Shump's incredible defense or JR's shooting or TT's hustle is really disrespectful to the players.

This is ridiculous, do you want to tell me that giving a athletic trainer credit for the shape and health of a player, is disrespectful to the player??? obviously not, the player gets credit and so does the trainer.

Equally so, giving a coach or coaching staff credit for players buying in and giving all they have, is in no way disrespectful or discrediting the player.
 
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